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sleeping with the enemy

124 replies

sadposter · 05/04/2010 18:54

I really need help. My H was kind and loving. He had a lot of anger issues from his childhood and he went to counselling to try and sort this. His behaviour at times could be very erratic and he was diagnosed with a mood disorder/depression. I knew life would never be easy with him but I did love him and he was very loving to me most of the time. At times he could be very abusive but I learned to not react and when they passed he would be very apologetic.

Before the recession we lived a fairly affluent lifestyle. I mention this because it's relevant I think. I began to suspect he may be messing around with other women. Anytime I confronted him he swore on dc's lives that he wasn't and that he adored me. Over time with a lot of detective work I discovered a whole other world of foreign prostitutes. Worse he set up a lot of these women in brothels and was making money from them.

I confronted him and told him to get out of the house or I'd expose him to everyone. He told me I was sick to think him capable of that. He denied everything and said he'd been set up. When I insisted he left he became very violent and in the end the police had to drag him from the house. He's never forgiven me for calling the police and insists that none of the above is true.

I began to question my sanity and thought I'd made him violent by my accusations. The police confirmed that it was true and I also had it confirmed from other sources. Still I could question it and wonder were they all wrong and was it possible he was innocent.

Since I exposed all of this the only way I can describe his behaviour is evil. He has tried to destroy me in so many ways.

I feel so broken that I had children with this man and that my marriage was a lie. I have no family support and have lost most of my support network as he has told they all lies about me. That I was only with him for money type thing and that I threw him out for no reason. I have told no one the truth because I want to protect the children.

He takes the children when it suits him and spoils them rotton. They get everything you could imagine which is the opposite to how I wanted them raised. I am struggling to make ends meet. He won't have them overnight or help in any practical way. He will only take them for a few hours to do fun stuff. The children think he's great.

I feel I am getting worse and worse. I do not want my children in his world but what can I do. I feel huge grief about everything. I don't want revenge but lately I really want to expose him. He now wants to take the children on holiday with his sister and I am really tempted to tell her everything. I hate leaving them go but is it right to punish them or him for his lifestyle?

I am sorry this is so long. I don't know how I'm ever going to recover from this. How will I ever get over the sadness and betrayal. I am constantly physically sick over all this. He is still involved in prostitution. Help

OP posts:
firsttimestepdad · 06/04/2010 01:09

good point put that way, but..... Sometimes you can't see the woods for the trees hey

sockythesockpuppet · 06/04/2010 01:10

May I just join with the sockpuppet who has just appeared in wholeheartedly supporting the OP in everything she has said so far about anything.

AnyFucker · 06/04/2010 01:11

Sadposter...have you got anything out of this thread, other than meaningless platitudes ?

Am bowing out now, because it seems all the other sensible people bailed some time ago

Good luck, sadposter

sadposter · 06/04/2010 01:16

Anyfucker I am going back to the police and I will do everything in my power to see that they do convict him. I have even thought about going public with this but he has connections everywhere and I would be shot down. My only hope is a conviction. That has come clear from this thread. I really thank those people who believed me. Also you anyfucker but I don't think you realise that the law does not always work the way we think it will.

Socky I have innocent children caught up in this. It is not funny.

OP posts:
firsttimestepdad · 06/04/2010 01:16

Sorry to offend!

sadposter · 06/04/2010 01:20

firsttimestepdad that was not aimed at you. You have been very kind and made helpful suggestions. I just thought the post by socky was making fun of my situation and not thinking of the innocent lives caught up in all of this.

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firsttimestepdad · 06/04/2010 01:27

Sadposter: You are not wrong ref the police, they just do not seem to be able to get it right all the time. The kids come first! So... Try and go agenst him, is that poss? Even if the court's can not convict him of any crimes, hes not good!

mrsboogie · 06/04/2010 01:32

it really does ring a bell, this one...

sadposter · 06/04/2010 01:34

Mrsboogie, you're still here. I did a search but couldn't find the thread you were talking about.

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firsttimestepdad · 06/04/2010 01:39

I read this thread hoping i could learn something myself. My partners "X" is a total shit as well, the perfect dad and all that hey, poisons the boy everyday, against his mum and me, tried so much with no avail, getting married next week, and not sure if he will bring the boy back for the day!!! So my not be up there for advice, but sometimes its nice just to be kind hey!

mrsboogie · 06/04/2010 01:40

well, it wouldn't have had the word prostitution in the thread title or anything obvious like that so maybe it would be hard to find.

sadposter · 06/04/2010 01:42

firsttimestepdad, that is awful. You sound lovely and they are both lucky to have you in their lives. I hope you have a lovely wedding and that your stepson will be there. Hopefully in time the poison will end.

OP posts:
sadposter · 06/04/2010 01:44

Thanks mrsboogie. I did a search with the word brothel. I can't believe that anyone else has gone through this hell.

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Granny23 · 06/04/2010 02:52

As an ex-Women's Aid worker I believe everything you have said SP. Yes, solicitors talk to each other and the Police 'off the record' - usually for the best of reasons. Yes, courts are very inclined to award access to a 'loving father'. The court can only decide on what is presented to it and will take into account one party saying my spouse is mentally deranged, seeing a pyschiatrist, on anti-Ds as much as they will weigh up the other party saying 'he was violent' (but only once). Similarly, courts often seem to give derisory sentences for domestic violence because they only have 'that which can be proved' before them i.e.previous/subsequent instances which are not backed up with evidence are just not considered.

I cannot think of any way out of this dilemma at the moment, but if the case does come to court perhaps you could be classed as a vulnerable witness and put on a witness protection program. When I was with WA we housed several women AND THEIR CHILDREN from 'far away' on witness protection these were major drugs cases. Some of the women were eventually safe to go home but others were helped with new identities and homes. It certainly meant that all contact ceased for some time before the trial and did not resume because the father was jailed or he had no idea where the family was.

ItsGraceAgain · 06/04/2010 02:59

Living with your husband, while secretly delving into the facts, must have been freakishly awful. I can see why you titled your thread after the film. How long did this go on for? You must have been frayed to the edges by the time you got your answers - none of us want to know the truth, do we? Even when we know we have to do it ...

I'm failing to understand exactly why you can't take more definite action on behalf of yourself and your kids. I wonder if he's managed to terrify you beyond reason. I don't know if you've looked through the "Narcissist" thread here (it's usually on the first page) but if not, please do. Spouses (er, usually husbands) can and do pull the most jaw-dropping tricks, precisely because they are outside the 'normal'. A controlling spouse may very successfully instil irrational fear in his partner, too. If you do not fear violence from him, it's actually unlikely he could "do anything to you" - unless you'e excessively attached to your house, golf club or whatever.

Many years ago, I went through an extremely distressing episode regarding an elderly, well-connected paedophile who lived next door. After contacting the police, I ended up spying on him and the kids, keeping notes and even being dragged out of work to go on a car chase with the Fraud Squad! When they got his case to court, it was dismissed out of "compassion" for the accused I have some idea of how you must feel, though your predicament is infinitely more painful to you. I also know of - and have met - many errant (insane) husbands running around with hookers in warmer, economically compromised countries. Bastards. Unless what he's doing is so universally repulsive that governments will authorise an international investigation, the police may well be hamstrung as you imply.

That doesn't mean you are, though. You have the rest of your life to think about ... all those lost years to make up for, a new & happier (less melodramatic) future and your children's moral welfare to develop. Where are you going to start?

ItsGraceAgain · 06/04/2010 03:00
  • Fraud Vice Squad, of course.
firsttimestepdad · 06/04/2010 03:10

Why not contact one of the TV stations about the situation and see if they will cover it in a doc. Could work to exspose him, then again, he probably not working totally alone, so could put you in risk.

MrsFlittersnoop · 06/04/2010 06:16

I won't even bother to namechange for this so please don't accuse me of trolling, 'cos you can check out my posting history.

I've no idea if we have a troll situation going on, but please don't judge someone for asking for help here - my life could have been very very different if I'd had Mumsnet to give me advice a few years back.

10 years ago I found myself in a situation not a million miles from the OP. Details are not the same, and it sounds crazy I know, but I had NO recourse to the law. Nothing was "admissable evidence".

I confided in one member of my immediate family (who believed me,) but there was no way anyone else would have believed the truth. His family totally villified and rejected me. Even my Relate councillor was until I showed her documentary evidence of what had been going on. Thank Godess my DS has been protected from any of the shit that went on.

I'm still living with the emotional and financial consequences of discovering my then partner was living a criminal double life. I was a professional woman in my late 30's. when this happened - I was actually a specialist in the type of "situation" he was involved in! .

kittya · 06/04/2010 09:45

Please do not even consider letting him take the children on holiday.

BitOfFun · 06/04/2010 12:47

Good to see you, firsttimestepdad. I hope you have been extended a warm welcome?

Malificence · 06/04/2010 13:38

Do you think extended is still about then?

I seem to recall being accused of being from that particular "clan" myself when I came back to MN after a long break last summer.

AnyFucker · 06/04/2010 13:42

Anybody that calls themself "firsttimestepdad" has to be a little strange

think about it...

is "he" planning on acquiring any more stepfamilies ?

like a collector's item or summat..

perhaps "he" should take up stamp-collecting or something less, errm, emotionally-charged

or puppetry ?

I believe puppetry is a very relaxing hobby

BigBadMummy · 06/04/2010 13:53

Sorry but I would be shouting this from the rooftops if it was my DH. I don't care that he is a "respectable member of society". I would want people to know what a tosser he really was.

And as for my DCs going to stay with him. No Way.

I don't care what court orders are in place. Let him take me to court regarding access and I will tell the judge why I refused.

I would also be telling teh DCs in an age appropriate manner why they were not seeing daddy for a while.

What would you do if the DCs were with him and he gets raided by the vice squad?

Or stabbed by a rival?

No thanks, my DCs would no longer be having anything to do with him.

Stand up for yourself now you have the facts and stand up for your DCs. You have to be two parents rolled in to one. Stop making excuses for that tosser and make a life for yourself without him.

AnyFucker · 06/04/2010 13:58

hear, hear BBM

kittya · 06/04/2010 14:37

What do you mean by a respectable family? are they from uk and local to you? are these brothels going on under their noses? I just wondered how they couldnt know. Does he support them financially? Im begging you dont let those kids out of your site, thats the reason I asked if he was from the uk, you do hear of children being taken to family abroad just to punish the mother.