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Is it possible that severe sleep deprivation is causing all my issues? If so, what is my next step?

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123Sue · 08/02/2010 07:55

dh and I have been together for a long time, over 10 years.

I have some anxiety issues centred around not liking to be in crowded places. I have never needed medical treatment for these issues and they have only (until recently) reared their head sporadically rather than suffering with them all the time. However in the last 8 or so years, the issues have been coming back a lot more often and my usual practice of just forcing myself to face the anxiety isn't working (i.e. I face my fear, normally that would mean the next time it was easier to face that situation again - except what has happened over the last 8 years is that facing the fear has not made it any easier the next time so time after time, I am faced with the same anxiety).

I decided to seek treatment and went to someone who was very good (a leading world expert in anxiety) but he could not initially figure out why facing my anxiety wasn't making the anxiety any less (given that I'm not depressed or a generally anxious person).

Then I filled in a diary and he stumbled on the fact that my anxiety gets loads better when my dh is travelling for work. Then, on analysing it more closely, he realised that when dh is away, I'm not faced with his snoring and actually get a full night's sleep. He is now convinced that severe sleep deprivation is the cause of my anxiety not getting less.

Dh snores dreadfully and will not seek treatment for it. He doesn't snore all night long but has periods where he is so loud that it wakes me with a shock. I have started to go to bed earlier to pack the hours of sleep in but the minute he comes to bed, it starts waking me up. For example, last night, I went to bed at 9pm, he woke me up at 1am and I haven't been back to sleep apart from the odd 30 mins. I work full time, in a long hours responsible job and am averaging about 4-5 hours a night, not even in one period.

I have asked dh to do something about it but it infuriates him. He insists it is because I am such a light sleeper. His father has the same issue as him and sought treatment and even had operations but ultimately, he still snores so dreadfully that him and his wife don't sleep together. Dh does not want to sleep apart but I'm afraid I can no longer put up with this and am going to insist on it. He sees this as the ultimate betrayal (in fact, when we met he said it was the one thing he never wanted to happen) but I feel I am left with no choice. We have no spare room and everything downstairs is open plan so it means me sleeping in with the dcs but I cannot see any other option.

How can I make him go to the doctors and at least see if there's anything they can do? I feel so pissed off about this as our relationship is good in every other way but this is so serious now that I feel it is making me want to leave him. I have mentioned this to him and it just drives him further away rather than further towards medical treatment!

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123Sue · 08/02/2010 07:57

at hugely long post. Sorry I namechanged too!

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TrinityIsFallingApart · 08/02/2010 07:59

can you have seperate bedrooms?

seriously
if he wont do anything about his snoring then leave him to it
you need your sleep

123Sue · 08/02/2010 07:59

and ps I am a light sleeper. I tend to get into a schedule so even if dh has a good night, if he's had 3 bad nights before then, I find I don't sleep properly as I've got so used to waking up iyswim. So there is some truth in that but it isn't my fault I'm getting into these bad patterns of sleep whereas he seems to think it is!

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123Sue · 08/02/2010 08:01

hi trinity, we haven't got enough room in the house to have separate bedrooms but I could sleep in with the dcs. I can't see a way around it now.

I know it sounds dramatic but dh is so adamant this shouldn't happen that I fear it will be the beginning of the end of our relationship. Rather than it making him realise he has a (potential) medical problem and going to the doctor, I think this will drive him away from me and that really pisses me off tbh!

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Shiregirl · 08/02/2010 08:01

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123Sue · 08/02/2010 08:02

I mean it upsets me you know. I love the silly old fool and this is pure male pride stopping him getting help. He's feeling his age (he's getting near 50) and he just doesn't want to admit that as he's getting older, his health and fitness (and sleep!) are not what they used to be.

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123Sue · 08/02/2010 08:04

hi shire, thanks for that. I have tried every ear plug known to man. Unfortunately, I have problem ears and wearing ear plugs seems to flare up ear infections .

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 08/02/2010 08:04

He can't ust say that he doesn't want you to sleep elsewhere and then refuse to do anything about his snoring.

You need sleep.

He is obstructing this.

Either he does something about his sleeping or you sleep elsewhere. His choice.

DuchessOfAvon · 08/02/2010 08:07

Can you show him your sleep diary and explain again calmly and factually what your GP has suggested is at the root of your anxiety issues. If he can see in black and white how little sleep you are actually getting, it might make it more real to him. Could you agree to a trial period where you sleep apart and assess the impact on you. If things improve, he'll have to face the fact that his snoring IS respobsible. Then it'll be a question of the two of you sitting down and trying to thrash out a solution. But he needs to fully understand and accept that he is part of the problem - and that might be hard for him to do. Can't be easy to accept that you are actively causing distress to your wife through what is such a seemingly innocuous activity as sleeping.

BlameItOnTheBogey · 08/02/2010 08:11

God I feel for you. MY Dh snores very loudly too and it is awful to be kept awake by someone else in this way. Dh used to be really upset when I went and slept elsewhere - like yours he felt that it was the begining of the end of a healthy relationship. What changed things for us was going away with friends for the weekend. We shared an open plan cottage and the bloke in the other couple snored so loudly we were both up all night. By 4pm, my DH was furious at the snoring and lack of sleep. I gently pointed out that his own snoring was worse and that this is what I dealt with on a daily basis. He went to the drs after that and we have mostly got it under control. On nights when it rears its head again, he no longer complains if I go and sleep elsewhere. None of this provides a solution for you but you have my sympathies.

Have you tried explaining to him that medical professionals think his snoring is affecting you to the extent where it is damaging your health?

morningpaper · 08/02/2010 08:13

What everyone else said

He is a selfish idiot, sorry

My DH snores - he's sough treatment. It's not good for me OR him. He's had two operations and takes a cocktail of drugs. And occasionally uses those hard nose-strips too.

This is your DH's problem. He is being ridiculously unreasonable. Move in with the children.

BaconWheatCrunchies · 08/02/2010 08:18

Could you record him snoring so he gets some idea of how bad it really is?

123Sue · 08/02/2010 08:40

yes I have been thinking about recording it!

You see the thing is, I agree in part with you morningpaper but he is such a deep sleeper and when I mention how bad he has been in the night, he is incredibly upset and defensive. I don't think he can face up to the fact that he is harming me like this. I know with most rational people that would be enough to seek treatment but he just seems to be badly scarred by his father's treatment for snoring which did signal the end of the relationship between him and his wife (it wasn't that of course but that is the connection that dh has made). I think there's something deep inside dh which is making him feel our relationship is now mimicking his parents (which ultimately ended up v badly).

Do you think it would be worth dragging him to the psych? I don't see him (the psych) any more as we all agreed I didn't have any need for it but I thought if I spoke to the psych and asked him to speak to dh it might help him unbundle this join in his head between his father and him? Or is that a ridiculous idea?

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BlameItOnTheBogey · 08/02/2010 09:04

Have you tried asking him what he thinks the solution is?

letsblowthistacostand · 08/02/2010 09:11

A trip to the psych might be a good idea. I do think he's being a bit unreasonable about this--his position is that he's going to keep you up all night and you're not allowed to do anything about it? How unfair!

What if you woke him up every time he started snoring? Maybe after a few nights of it he'll start to see your point.

aurynne · 08/02/2010 09:33

BlameItOnTheBogey is spot on... if he is not seeking treatment but he does not want you to sleep elsewhere... What exactly is he suggesting? For you to put up with his snoring and never get a decent sleep at all? Either he is incredibly selfish, or incredibly thick.

Do record him and then play the tape very loudly while HE is sleeping. And force him to put up with it for the whole length of the tape. And then remark to him that's what he's making you go through every night.

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