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Is my friend being emotionally abused by her DH? And is there anything I can do to help her?

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Rumbled · 05/02/2010 13:27

He likes her and the children to be home when he finishes work, including on the days he lets her know at short notice that he'll be home early.

He likes the house tidy and the children quiet when he comes home and will lose his temper if it's messy/noisy.

He sulks.

He expects instant compliance when he asks his son (5) to do something. He smacks him or sends him to bed if he doesn't do as he's told straight away.

He expects his DS and DD (2) to play on their own in their rooms. My friend has "dared" to introduce a small toy unit into the living area, so her DD can play close by to her. Her DH won't have it.

He loves fishing, so they go on lots of fishing holidays: he fishes for a week/fortnight, and she runs around after the children. There is no way he'd entertain going on a holiday centred around one of her interests, or a standard family holiday.

A few weeks before Christmas, I asked if they'd like to do something fun one day during the school holidays. She said, "Well, DH has decided he'd like us to go to France. I'm hoping he'll go off the idea, but he might not, so we might not be around." I thought, "But do you want a last-minute trip to France in the week before Christmas? And why doesn't what you want seem to matter?"

He leaves early for work, so wakes her up around 5am a few mornings a week for sex, even though she doesn't want it then and gets tired from being woken up so early.

She seems unhappy - worn down by him. She says she feels bullied; as though she's treading on eggshells a lot of the time when he's around. She pleads with the children to be quiet/tidy, or else Daddy will get cross.

She has tried to talk to him about how she feels, but he will not see things her way. The only way is his way. He criticises her for how she takes care of the children, for being too soft on them, for letting the house get messy. He said to her recently that he honestly doesn't know how she managed to get her two degrees.

She says he never used to be like this; that he's getting worse. Yet despite her unhappiness, I don't think it's occurred to her to not put up with it.

I feel sad to keep hearing about how she and the children are being treated. Is this emotional abuse? Should I try to gently suggest this to her, and point her in the direction of information/support? Or is interfering not an option, and I should just keep on listening, and hoping for the best?

Thanks for any ideas.

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Bucharest · 05/02/2010 13:29

IMO, yes she is.
It's also, unfortunately, none of your business.
Just be there for when she wakes up from her Stepford nightmare I s'pose.

Miggsie · 05/02/2010 13:34

Yes, he is an abuser.
There are other emotional abuse threads on mumsnet, on them there are links to websites and books you may like to get your friend to read.

Here is a good one to start with:

refuge early warning signs

and

mumsnet emotional abuse thread

As she has discussed things with you it sounds like she is reaching out for help.

AnyFucker · 05/02/2010 13:36

There is nothing to say that you cannot gently point her in the right direction.

Does she use Mumsnet ?

Or could you say you think he is very controlling and direct her to the Women's Aid site or some of the other links on here re. abusive relationships. Sorry I don't know them all off the top of my head...but a quick trawl back through relationship threads will quickly find them.

Only you know her though, you may frighten her away and then she loses your support. Or if he gets wind of your influence he may isolate you from her.

Start gently and make it quite clear that her accessing this information or not will make no difference to your friendship.

It may be that she needs a wake-up call out of her denial. Many women have had it by looking at this stuff and realising that what they are living with is not normal and gain some strength from it.

wingandprayer · 05/02/2010 13:36

IMO It is too. Although you can't do anything until she is ready to, it's brilliant that she is talking to you about it. Just keep being there for her to talk to, maybe speak to WA yourself to see how you should deal with stuff you will hear, then be ready for when she does, hopefully, want to leave him.

AnyFucker · 05/02/2010 13:37

x-posted with miggsie...yes, those links are a good start

Miggsie · 05/02/2010 13:39

My friend was with an abuser, she didn't actually realise the relationship was not normal until she came to stay with me and my DH for a week (she got stuck in the UK for some reason I can't remember now).

Anyhow, she said that seeing me and DH interact made her realise how screwed her relationship was and she got up and left him.

I think the first step is for your friend is to realise that what she and her children are suffering is wrong and emtionally harmful long term and that not all men are like that.

Miggsie · 05/02/2010 13:40

..oh yes, and he may start trying to stop her seeing you if he realises you don't approve. This is why my friend ended up staying with us by accident...she was previously not allowed to visit her friends.

midori1999 · 05/02/2010 16:58

It does sound like he is abusive. I really feel for you as I have a friend in a similar situation and feelpretty helpless. I am hoping she'll come to her sense.

In her case, her DH does 'inspections' on the kids rooms and the rest of the house, running his fingers around door frames etc when he gets in from work. He really pushes the children to achieve at school and that and outside appearance are of tantamount importance to him. He also sulks or strops of he can't get his own way, spends almost all of every weekend off taking part in his hobby, using the fact it is a second income to justify that. She has to get up and make packed lunches for him and his cronies. He constantly assesses her weight and appearance.

Friend finally broke and had an affair in the summer. Her husband has convinced himself she had some sort of breakdown, the other man preyed upon her, he won't take responsibility at all. He even said 'I could tell there was something wrong, she wasn't making the kids (8 years old!) polish their shoes every morning before school'...

I prey she will leave him, she is desperately unhappy, but feels she is nothing, when in reality, he should be greatful to be with her.

MarineIguana · 05/02/2010 17:03

Yes, definitely. You have to be gentle, but if she's confiding in you it means she knows something's not right. Don't just say "leave him you doormat!" but point her towards useful information, as other posters have said, and say something along the lines of "If you need to get out or ever need any help I will support you and be here for you". A friend I had took several attempts to leave a man like this and it was frustrating, but she did it in the end.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/02/2010 17:37

Rumbled

Your friend is indeed in an abusive relationship. I hope she will eventually find the strength within her own self to leave him.

Abuse as well is insidious in its onset and many women in these abuse situations get conditioned over time to accept it as "normal" when it is clearly not.

Support her gently and show her the websites. "Why does he do that?" written by Lunday Bancroft is also a good book.

Rumbled · 05/02/2010 22:29

Consensus is that she is being emotionally abused then.

Bucharest, you're right that it's none of my business - that's why I've been hesitating about saying something when she opens up about him, instead of just listening. But I wonder if she is reaching out a bit, since she talks about him a lot. Which sort of makes it my business, at least a tiny, peripheral bit.

Thank you all for some helpful links and advice. I'll save this thread, and read through the other one you linked to.

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Rumbled · 05/02/2010 22:39

Ooh, just seen more posts. Thank you. midori, your friend's situation sounds miserable. I hope she comes to believe she's worth so much more than this, and finds the courage to leave her husband.

I really like the idea of giving my friend some information in a casual, you-might-be-interested-in-this sort of way and telling her that she and the kids always have an ear/bed here with us, should they ever need it. And leaving it at that really, and just carrying on with the listening.

Thanks for helping me figure out how to respond to her. Let's hope it won't be long before she's feeling happier at home.

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Bucharest · 06/02/2010 08:29

Hi Rumbled, I didn't mean to offend, sorry if I did. It's just an awful situation,isn't it? And if she isn't completely ready herself to realise what is evidently happening, then the risk is that you alienate her, and leave her even more open to his manipulations.....

You sound like a lovely true friend to her, and I hope you manage to help her.

Rumbled · 08/02/2010 09:59

Not offended, Bucharest. Appreciate your post - good point.

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