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I feel that DH is rejecting our new baby.

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StepfordWeeble · 31/01/2010 23:33

My DH suffers with an anxiety disorder which means that he goes through phases of feeling terribly anxious the whole time, with his mind awhirl about one successive worry after another. He functions very well in public and at work (he's very successful there) but during his anxious times crumbles almost the minute he walks through the door when he comes home. I spend hours, and hours, and hours acting as his counsellor.

He's desperately sad about the effect that this has on our life and his enjoyment of his time with me and our new DS, and is really working hard at sensible home-based remedies (such as diet and exercise), but point blank refuses to see a doctor or professional therapist.

I'm very sad that we spend so much of our time together processing his irrational worries and it is exhausting dealing with this the whole time. We seem rarely to have fun but what upsets me the most is the impact this is having on his and therefore our enjoyment of our new 9-week old DS (very much PFB!).

My DH clearly loves him but finds his existence a source of pressure/responsibility and therefore anxiety. His worries tend to go along the lines that he will make a mistake at work, his partners or clients will realise that he is no good at his job and fire him and we will lose the house. Having to be the breadwinner for DS gives this extra spice and his anxiety became progressively worse during my pregnancy and has really stepped up a notch since DS was born.

In practice this manifests itself as a refusal to engage with DS. He's very happy to help, but won't take responsibility, IYSWIM. So, for example, he'll change nappies until the cows come home but only when I ask him - he won't "notice" to do it himself. Similarly with bath time, despite this being the traditional Dad activity and just generally when he holds DS he is always watching the TV or playing on the computer at the same time and isn't putting that much into communicating with DS. It's almost like he's a robotic babysitter rather than someone with an emotional bond with our child.

Just now I asked him if he wanted a photograph of DS for his desk. We've had a good day, although as usual have tiptoed around him to make sure he doesn't get stressed. He immediately looked hugely stressed in response to that question and said "I'm not sure, I don't want the pressure" and that if he had a picture of DS at work it would give him something to focus his worries on while he is there. I know he doesn't mean it like this but I feel that these are little rejections of DS. I don't get it. DS is such a lovely, happy little chap.

I'm finding it increasingly hard to deal with this. I feel as though I have to absorb all of his problems, regardless of how ridiculous they are (very, normally) and put up with minor acts of selfishness which are necessary because he needs to maintain a low stress level. Whilst knowing that it is not his fault, I absolutely hate that he can't "man up" for the sake of his son - or put on a better act for both of our sakes. Why couldn't he just have said "yes, I'd love a photo?".

Of course, telling him this only gives him something else to feel guilty and worried about so I'm constantly biting my tongue.

I love him very much and it breaks my heart that he has such a hard time and I do my best to support him, however irrational he is. Equally I feel like his anxiety is ruining our lives on a day to day basis and that it is casting a shadow over what should be a lovely time or us all. I don't want to look back and remember that DH was stressed about this or that instead of remembering what a special happy time we had when DS arrived.

Any tips on how to deal with this? Hopefully there are some MNers out there who have dealt with anxiety/depression either themselves or in their partners?

OP posts:
Naetha · 01/02/2010 11:32

Just to be clear, that's my opinions on couples coming to terms with the arrival if a new child and shared responsibility for it NOT the OP's role as her DH's anxiety manager.

This is something that is his problem and their attempts at working it through together have been unsuccessful, and unbalaced their relationship. This needs dealing with by a professional imo.

mollybob · 01/02/2010 11:41

Hi - My DH has chronic depression and bipolar and I recognise a lot in what you say about managing his illness for him at times. But it is vital he gets help asap and faces things as anxiety gets worse if allowed to fester. I think there is some truth in the idea that some men may take longer to bond with a new baby than the mum but that just means that more of an effort needs to be made to ensure that bonding does happen. Bonding is an active process and the more you do with and for your baby the more the bond strengthens so by not doing he's making it worse. If he has confidence issues about things like bathing etc then show him how once and then leave him to it. He won't do things the same way as you but that's ok. Give him 100% responsibility by possibly even going out - otherwise he will keep deferring to you and things will get worse. Good luck.

junglist1 · 01/02/2010 11:50

So you've got a new baby to deal with and it's still all about him? He needs to grow up. Funny how he doesn't crumble anywhere else apart from home. Tell him maybe a spell in a psychiatric hospital will sort him out?

LoveBeingAMummy · 01/02/2010 11:53

I'm glad you've relaised we are all right

BUT where is his responibility and choice? If he doesn;t want a photo please don't make a big deal of it, maybe give him a small one h can pout in his wallet.

He needs to know that times have changed since his dad's treatment started.

How about having a look through here they have loads of useful stuff and he might find it easier than the gps to start with?

cestlavielife · 01/02/2010 12:01

i think you ahve to make it an ultimatum that he sees the doctor and really addresses the anxiety.

the bonding etc -well dont push it it should come with time. in "normal" circumstances....

however - you descirbe someoen with severe anxiety, that you change your beahviour etc to accomodate him. that he refuses prozac because it "didint work for his dad" (there are other medications slightly differnet - everyone is different) .

my exP was extremely anxious about our disabled DS, he couldnt cope with him etc. his anxiety /depression got worse and worse. he went to gP but only took on going to homeopathic doctor, eventually CBT (but it stressed himeven more) etcetc.

he started self harming and totally exploded one day attacking our ds.

if you ignore - it might get out of hand. sorry to sound drastic but what i realised eventually was that i should have taken steps much earlier to force him to get help/to force him to leave. i colluded with him in many ways.... talked and talked and said there there...said "you need to talk to someone" but did not issue any strong ultimatum...

if he has strong negative feelings towards his ds, this could explode one day with drastic consequences.

read what you say:

"his anxiety is ruining our lives on a day to day basis"

so was my exP's.

take it seriously.
he needs to get profressional help, urgently.

the longer you wait, the more likelihood he might "explode" - possibly towards his ds.

can you risk that?

do you feel comfortable going out and leaving him in sole charge of ds for a couple hours between feeds etc?

i never thought my ex would go so far as to attack his son - after all he said he loved him - as well as hating his disability.... but he did.
i know your ds isnt disabled or anything but clearly there are big issues here.

it may be PND type stuff - if it has come on since the birth - or is longer term issue and brith has triggered more of it.

either way, it needs treating. and is his repsonsibility to get help. but you are in a position to amke it clear you wont be his counsellor and he has to go get help...

dizietsma · 01/02/2010 12:05

"Being staunchly feminist is a great ideal, but doesn't help relationships going through difficult patches."

Well, DH and I have the most equal relationship I have encountered between parents, and we also have the strongest relationship I have encountered. He and I are both feminists, so I would have to disagree with you there.

I spend a lot of time on the relationships board, a lot of the problems you see here are IMO due to expectations based on gender stereotypes. Honestly, I think that is the true relationship challenge when you have a baby. No matter how free and liberated your life was before you have children, the pressure to conform to 50's gender roles afterwards is immense.

StepfordWeeble · 01/02/2010 12:25

I'm going to sit down with DP this evening and talk about therapy. He really doesn't want to be medicated and in any event I've read that cognitive behavioural therapy is the most successful treatment for anxiety, so this could be our happy medium.

Thanks, Lovebeingamummy and TheQuibbler for the suggestions about therapy organisations and websites; I didn't know where to start and having specific suggestions might make it more manageable for DH - especially if it helps him to do it privately and quietly.

cestlavielife - I'm so sorry the situation with your ex ended up so badly. I don't think DS is in any way at risk (other than a little bit of nappy rash!) as DH has lots of positive feelings for DS but just can't quite seem do the whole Dad thing at the moment. Well, not with enough gusto for my liking.

Dizietsma and Naetha - I agree with both of you to an extent! I do think that the idea that women are born competent mothers isn't right and gives many a useless man an excuse for not pulling their weight.

But (and I know that it's not the same for everyone) I look back to just after DS was born and the moment he first looked me in the eye, and I remember the huge jolt of emotion I felt and the 10 day high which followed. For me the hormones made me a different person for those 10 days (in that I was on a complete high) and really did accelerate the bonding process. I'm a little sad that DH didn't get to experience that - it is a disadvantage if you don't (not that it opens up a secret instruction manual, just that I felt blessed with extra reserves of patience and endless fascination for DS).

In DH's defence (really he is lovely!) he's never before not pulled his weight. I have the same job as him, earned pretty much the same and he respects me and my opinion (which is partly why he wants to consult me about all of his work worries). He cooked all weekend, and also sorted the washing and cleaned the kitchen and fireplace while I was in bed this morning (before he went to work). I don't think I have a battle of the sexes issue, but a mixed up DH issue.

OP posts:
DorotheaPlenticlew · 01/02/2010 12:52

You sound really sensible, OP, and I wish you the absolute best of luck in tackling this.

PotPourri · 01/02/2010 13:00

OP - hope you can get this sorted, and it looks like you have a good understanding of the situation.

FWIW, I think he sounds lazy and high maintenance - not that unusual is you look at the threads on here that kinda man-bash. Stick to your guns about what you need done - ask for things clearly, and try not to expect him to 'notice' it - he's new to this, as were you, and he has had less practice. And make sure you don't criticise the things he does do. It is hard to adjust to the responsibility of a new baby - it's immense. Give him some time.

But stop the constant counselling. If he needs counselling, then he needs to get that professionally. Things have changed, he is no longer the needy one, your 9 week old is.

All the best. Hope he pulls his finger out and takes the responsibiltiy that he is clearly able to take on elsewhere....

LoveBeingAMummy · 01/02/2010 15:02

Completely agree with your last paragraph. Hope it goes well when you talk to him.

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