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emotional roller coaster or clean break ? v complicated

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seth · 31/01/2010 21:06

Not sure where to start with this. My current situation sounds like a mix of about 5 different threads on here atm, and my head is so all over the place with it all so I was wondering if anyone had any idea abut what I can do next. In brief DH and I had/have been together for 8 years - married for 4. We have a 2.5 year old DD and he we generally had a good marriage (or so I thought). Just before DD was born he started therapy(with my blessing) as he had had such a messed up childhood and relationship with his parents (dad - affairs - mum walked out on him etc) He went for 18 months and after he stopped he began distancing himself from me.. saying we had been too 'enmeshed' and needed our own lives, that we had both been co-dependant and that he had dealt with that but I hadn't as I also came from a dysfunctional family (alcoholic father) etc - almost sounded like he had been brainwashed. Anyway all was ok until about May of last year when he started showing all the signs of someone who was having an affair - It took me a while to twig as I just thought we were going through a bad patch and am very good at sweeping things under the carpet (he was also very difficult to confront/pin down about almost everything) I found a few texts on his phone (nothing too intimate but enough to make me start checking) in September and confronted him one night in October. He confessed he had got 'too close' to a girl at work (surprise) and that they had been for a few drinks.. and kissed a few times.. he said he had not been happy for a while - felt that we were no longer compatible, he didn't love me any more and thought that 'something had died' -I said to him that if there was no way he could see we had any future together then it was probably best if he left that night - which he did. I then found out I was pregnant 5 days after he left - which changed nothing in his mind,
We started counselling (which started off as break up counselling) in November and it had just started to feel like we were getting somewhere but there was a month long break over Christmas. After a horrible Christmas he came round and said that he had only just started realising what he had done and couldn't live with himself not being a proper father to our DD and (I now know) DS and had decided that he definitely wants to give the counselling a proper go. No mention of 'I've realised I love you after all' ... more 'I can't live with myself because of the kids' so I felt kind of flat after that although it seemed like a step in the right direction.

It came out at the next session that he had started sleeping with OW a few weeks after he left (not sure if I totally believe that he hadn't before he left) and saw her for a few weeks up until Xmas but then finished it as he realised it was really unhealthy, making him feel worse and not good for anyone. He then said that the ball was in my court about whether or not I still wanted to make this work as he realised this could change everything.(all I could think was - 'where is the begging that is surely meant to come now ?'
I had an individual session with the counsellor last week (as did he) where I said that a) getting back purely because of our DD and DS (Due in June) is not what either of us want and b) that I did not feel I could move on til I knew every last detail of the affair. Having read Not Just Friends and speaking to the counsellor I now see the way to go it by giving him space. The counsellor also said the DH seems to be saying that GFW is not a big part of this and it's the problems in our relationship that make him unsure about us. In the mean time I am feeling stronger. I have taken up a new class, bought new clothes/hair, go to therapy once a week and have made quite a few changes around the house that I really like so I am now wondering how much 'time/space' does he need or should I give him ?.

I do not know if I can trust him about the OW (he may have stopped seeing her but I think the feeings might be there), was not convinced his heart and soul was in the counselling until this week when we finally started getting somewhere, am not sure how he feels about me (but if I ask would that be 'pressure' ?). He came round today and talked about worrying about our situation come june and how we would pay the mortgage if things didn't work out... and said 2/3 other things that we would have to consider if it didn't work out. Do you think its possible that he had already made up his mind but will still go along to the counselling to seem like the good guy or is he just massively confused ? I just feel as if us recognising what the problems were in our marriage are a good platform to work from to build a better one. He however looks at the problems and thinks they could be too massive to overcome so I feel one of us is looking for reasons for it too work and one of us is looking for reasons for it not to. I agree with some of the other threads about standing firm and forcing them into a decision but whilst we are supposedly trying to work things out in counselling I am constantly being told I need to give him space as he is confused. What about my f*cking life in the mean time ? I sometimes think a clean break would be easier in the long run (ie me just telling him I can't do this and need to get on with my life) but the other half of me thinks if we could be working towards something then I should not be so rash and chuck it away when I have my family to think of. Although I am in a much better and happier place than I was 3 months ago I am still devastated about the split and do not really think I have come to terms with the prospect of life without him. I do think that actions speak louder than words though and if I'm honest there's not a lot of actions atm. He says that he sees me getting stronger and that scares the life out of him - and what if we are going too far our own way to get back together -again looking for reasons for it not to rather than to work. Anyway sorry this is so long but If anyone has any wise words or advice on what I can do to keep sane I would really really appreciate it .

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snowpoint · 31/01/2010 21:17

Oh, this is all you need while you're pregnant, I'm so sorry. I had to make a break to preserve my sanity after months of toing and froing with H about how he felt. It was agony. I understand exactly what you're saying about the counselling, H was just like this. It felt like we were pulling against one another.

I think if he's unable to support you or give you any real reassurance while you're pregnant with his child, it doesn't bode well. I think you need to start mentally preparing for life without him, sounds as if you're coping really well anyway! Counselling is a brilliant idea, take all the support you can get.

I think he needs a jolt. Go to a solicitor to find out about your rights, and tell him you've been. He needs to realise you're not just at home sitting and waiting while he's having his mid life crisis elsewhere.

seth · 31/01/2010 21:29

hmm sadly I think I agree with you snowpoint. I have given myself a date (end of feb) that I think I can hold out til. If I can't see more steps in the right direction by then then I think I know what I have to do.. but I have to be sure I am doing it because I really am sure that I am prepared for it to be over and not to jolt him into what I actually want to jolt him into. Its hard because there are a lot of posts on here when Dh's won't even go to counselling but he is, and even requested a session by himself the other day so I kind of feel like with the time/space thing maybe we (ok he) really will realise that he has made a mistake -errr or am I living in some sort of make believe land ? I would just like to think that he would not still be going if he had no intention or hope of it working ? or is hat just something that blokes in this situation often do ?!

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snowpoint · 31/01/2010 21:33

I think my ex felt it was the right thing to do. It was really obvious his heart wasn't in it though, and the counsellor felt really uncomfortable with his repressed anger issues (she told me one week when I'd gone alone, I'd noticed nothing)

I don't doubt your H is struggling with this. I think you're right to put some kind of limit on it.

Have you got some good RL support?

seth · 31/01/2010 21:38

yes thankfully I have some very good friends who have been amazing throughout. Its sometimes difficult when it comes to advice tho as most are happily married and this whole situation is alien to them (as it was me a few months back) so it's really useful hearing the opinions of people who have lived through this and can look at it objectively. So you think telling him about solicitors appt (I am making one this week after last one was cancelled) is best ? I was going to keep schtum until I really needed to use the info.....

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snowpoint · 31/01/2010 21:52

I know exactly what you mean - it was once alien to me too..

I think he needs to realise how serious you are. Telling him you're going to make enquiries shouldn't put you at a disadvantage unless you think he'll start being sneaky with the finances. If you do have concerns, protect yourself by getting as much info as possible before you tell him.

Going for a consultation puts you at no obligation to do anything, or tell him what was discussed. If it helps you, your H will have to pay you 20% of his net income (hopefully changing to 16% gross this year) for child maintenance for two children. You'll receive your child benefit as usual, plus tax credits which could give you up to £400ish per month. You will be entitled to at least 50% of all joint assets, and possibly more (my friend got 70% of the equity in their house after she was left with a dd and a new baby)

You would be able to file for divorce against him on grounds of unreasonable behaviour, or adultery, but only if he'll admit sexual contact.. If not, his inappropriate contact with OW can be cited as one of your 5 grounds of unreasonable conduct anyway.

Is this helpful? I hope it doesn't come to it, but at least you'll have some idea of your entitlement. I was totally clueless about all of this a year or two ago.. it's another world

seth · 31/01/2010 22:01

thanks snowpoint. I think I will rebook the appointment and see what happens in there. It's really weird trying to get on with someone and work together in the counselling (we spent most of the day together today with our DD) yet there being such a horrible cold side to it too. I need to toughen up I think as its all down him being cold and irrational that we are in this situation at the moment. I keep hoping it's some nightmare I'll wake up from.He wants to come to the next scan (did not want to come to the first) but I think I can sometimes mix up the dad and husband role in his intentions...

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seth · 01/02/2010 02:08

sorry I realised that message was really long after posting. I'm sitting downstairs tearing my hair out in tears.My DD has woken for the third time tonight, I'm pregnant, work full time and have to be up at 6. I feel like calling the fcker and screaming down the phone at him. I don't think seeing him yesterday did either of us any good. He just gets all the niceness then fcks off back to his flat. I am so sad and angry ands upset by all the hurt he has caused night

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goatinacoat · 01/02/2010 13:02

Just read through this -how are you today seth? What he's doing isn't right or fair, and I'm sorry you have to go through this.

Sorry if you've said this, but where is he staying? Is he having your dd overnight at all to give you a break? You shouldn't be carrying this on your own.

seth · 01/02/2010 15:11

hi. thanks for your msg - I am taking my first sick day in about 3 years today! Am feeling slightly better than last night but still not great. I had really picked myself up in the last few weeks and had started feeling better but something (maybe his continued ambivalence towards the relationship despite saying the right things (kind of) and going thru the motions) has sent me crashing back down the last couple of days and I feel like I am going backwards. He is renting a small 1 bedroom flat a few miles away. I have said I don't feel that she is ready to stay overnight but he does see her every Sunday. She has started waking in the night, questioning where he is and just not being herself so I want her to stay in her home for now.

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