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Cant see any light...

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Pinkfox · 31/01/2010 16:19

at the end of this miserable tunnel im in

Story is my XH left last year, it will soon be a year now and nothing is getting any better/easier for me. Our marriage was not good for about two years. The last few months were agony for me coming to the dreaded decision, it was heartbreaking and soul destroying but it was the right decision. We had been unhappy for about 2-3 years (he says longer, pretty much the whole length of our 5 year marriage, together for 4y prior). But I still have this incredible overwhelming sadness about it all, mainly to do with our two DC (under 5's).

It scares me and makes me sad wondering what the hell this is all doing to them, but I made the decision before they got any older, I suppose to try and limit any damage. The relationship broke down due to his constant lying about financial things, causing debt, hiding it, deceit to gain financially, etc (in brief!). It seemed to escalate over the two years that I was aware of it, so poss it had been going on longer, I just didnt realise it cos he had covered it up so much (ie lied so much!).

It created tension and resentment, we lived together but I would call it "existing", there was a friction you could almost feel and I felt it wasnt good for any of us, esp the DC.

He moved out, the first few months were just crushing, he went out of his way to be horrible to me, hardly saw his DC and when he did it was at his beck and call, I kept my mouth shut for the DC benefit as its massively important that they still have a relationship with their daddy. He did a lot of really nasty, mean, spiteful things, he still had access to the FMH and took things in a sly way, without discussion, id come home and he'd taken something else, lets just say the police were involved about 4 times due to threats he made. I really didnt know him anymore and it just confirmed I had made the right decision.

So now, almost a year later and ive been running the FMH, paying mortgage and bills, childcare fees, looking after the DC (and 2 dogs!). I work PT but its no lie to say ive struggling thru my backside on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, sometimes by the skin of my teeth. I am now at the point where im tired and worn out of the constant worry, stress and struggle of it all TBH. He has them overnight once a week but is now saying he wants to change this to every other week.

My ex gives me £200 a month but childcare for one DC alone is more than this. The amount was just agreed between ourselves but was like pulling teeth. I have lots of concerns about things, my solicitor arent exactly hurting themselves to get matters resolved. We did have mediation arranged sometime last year but he cancelled it two days before our appt, my sol is now saying this should be arranged and we should try again.

I need to start making some headway, I have no life, no social life, I sit home night after night, put the kids to bed and thats it, just me and the tv, my "free" time is spent cleaning, food shopping and clothes washing to keep the house running in some kind of organised chaos!!! The one night the DC arent home I spend trying to relax, watching a film, just eating in peace is luxury lol!! I dont really have anyone locally to go out with, to be honest I feel let down by my friends (who ive known years), I dont get phone calls, texts, emails off them, nothing. I have friends who dont live local who contact me daily and have been a huge support and massively helpful, they have got me thru some VERY dark days.

I just cant see any way forward, im stuck with bills, debt, no social life, no money to have a social life, blah blah - I dont mean this to be "woe is me" by any means, people do say "it gets better" but WHEN???

I feel like i have so many loose ends to tie up but dont know where to start and how to go about things. I look on websites, ask solicitor, check with mortgage company, etc, but NOTHING constructive, just seem to keep hitting brick walls and im drained with it all now, sorry for the major ramble but any help gratefully received, thanks!! x

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Batteryhuman · 31/01/2010 16:26

No advice to offer but lots of sympathy.

It will get easier/better.

AnyFucker · 31/01/2010 16:27

oh goodness me, you sound exhausted

I don't know what to advise, other than to see your solicitor again and push through on the maintenace and access issues. If you get no joy with them...find another one.

The £200 is nowhere near enough... I see you tried to keep things amicable for dc's sake, but he has taken advantage of this. You should never have agreed things "between you"...an abuser will continue to fuck you over at the expense of their own children

Overnight access fortnightly is also not enough, you need more of a break than this. What possible reason could he give for cutting contact even further...does he not want to see his own dc ?

whereabouts (roughly) in the UK are you ?

ItsGraceAgain · 31/01/2010 16:41

Just backing up AnyFucker. I don't think mediation will help in your situation, if anything he's liable to use it to shaft you. Your solicitor sounds like a wuss! Ask them to take a more aggressive stance - you also need to tell them if you think he may be hiding assets.

The feeling that you should keep things "amicable", not make a fuss, not spend too much on fees, etc, etc, is very strong (I fell for it.) But everything in your post speaks of a woman being wrung out to the last drop. This is unfair. He doesn't care about you and the children. Fight.

The minimum contribution he should be making is around 20% of his income - there's an estimator on the CSA website. Also, remember that your property, money, pensions & so forth are owned jointly between you, even if they're only in one name.

Get angry & get legal!!
Good luck.

Pinkfox · 31/01/2010 18:31

Thank you for your replies, much appreciated.

TBH I am dreading mediation purely cos of how manipulative he can be (is), how he twists things and how he uses a different voice/persona to come across as "mr reasonable" - lots of people cant understand when I speak about what he is like, to them he comes across as mr mild, polite, generous, kind, considerate, etc, etc - you get the idea!!! I have tried to put people right, but dont want people to be in a position of "well who do I believe, who do I listen to", thats up to them and if they believe him, more fool them is all I can say

Roughly speaking im in the North West!!

I think im just pissed off (pardon the language!) that the "control" issues are still there, manipulation and control were factors in our splitting. I am wrung out, thats exactly how I feel.

He literally has NO responsibility, he stayed with his parents, sadly we lost his dad within 3 months of our split (I still struggle with it now, another thing I have to go through ALONE as I have been shunned by his family), then got a council flat. He hasnt even bothered about the dogs FFS, I recently told him one of the dogs had been to vets (£25 just be seen!), I said vet may need to do an op, quoted £178, he just said Fookin hell - and that was it, so all left to me AGAIN.

Fortnightly overnight contact WONT be an option, its either weekly, as it is now and has been for last 6 months or not. Over the last year the contact and arrangements have been changed FOUR times, each time its been ME who's mde the transition smooth for the kids, again all to fit in with HIM and to suit HIM (he always goes on that IM the one who controls things and always have the say, if only he knew!!).

I had a feeling it was maybe to that he had met someone, thats why he wanted alternate sat nights free, I am now 80% sure this is the case, but that just makes it worse that he is prepared to jepordise a relationship with his kids for a relationship with a woman, basically thats how it is. How would that be viewed by a solicitor, if he went to a sol and said "I have regular contact and want LESS contact"?????

I do still try and keep things amicable and pleasant, esp in front of the kids when we do handovers, but I feel he takes this as me being weak cos im not challenging him or that I just agree to things (I only agree if it benefits the children or me). I have decided that this year was a new start and I now approach things with a much more assertive manner, such as questioning him now. I have also started to put things in writing, such as dates of school hols I gave him, I typed at the top the date I had given him a copy, just as proof as any verbal discussions we have, he very easily denies or changes/twists. I now write CLEAR details and instructions so he knows the score and can respond or take it to a sol if he disagrees

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AnyFucker · 31/01/2010 18:41

Have you seen the narcissists thread ?

I think you would get a lot of understanding and empathy if you posted there, from women who know exactly what you are talking about

the links to useful online support are invaluable too...those ladies are fab

I didn't think there were people like your exP in this world, that someone could be so cruel...but now I know there are

I don't know enough about the divorce/mediation process but it doesn't seem like the best path for you...mediation is for when partners are equally clear that they are aiming for what is best for the dc. This isn't the case here.

I would be asking for more advice in RL, if I were you

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maristella · 31/01/2010 19:17

Pinkfox it will get easier. the older your dc's get the less you will have to pay for childcare, and the more freedom you will be able to have.
please be kind to yourself: blitz the house for a couple of hours on the weekend, while dc's watch a dvd, and limit yourself to an hour (or just half an hour!!) each evening, then relax, and pat yourself on the back for survivng another day
also i think you need to accept that the breakdown of your marriage was never your intention,you did your best and you were put in an impossible position. a successful relationship requires 2 reasonable people.
would you consider some counselling? it may help you to put things into perspective, and give you the strength and confidence to move forward.
you've had some great advice here: don't go to mediation if it creates an opportunity for xh to make you feel compromised; insist that your solicitor fights your corner, or change solicitors; if it takes the pressure off you give the dogs to your xh. life's too short and too stressful for allow yourself to be overburdened.
make this the year you take back the control of your life

Pinkfox · 31/01/2010 23:09

WOW, thank you!! It really does actually help to vent it all on here AND get some good advice and helpful comments too

Bless my dogs, my parents think I should "get rid" of them as well but they are nearly 10yo now and I just cudnt do it to them, they were rescue dogs from pups and this is all they've ever known. They are a pain but they didnt ask to be in this situation either. Just makes me REALLY angry when I have to even consider the bloody dogs if I want a night out which involves being out overnight - there's him booking a two week hol without having to arrange ANYTHING, not even school hols,etc.

I guess I have lots of anger and frustration at how carefree he seems to have it and how full of responsibility my life is - I feel this is somehow a "punishment" for ending the relationship, seriously since we split, every week something shit has happened, on occasions more than one thing per week - whether it be a bill being higher than expected, sickness, something breaking at home, etc etc. The week my FIL passed away was my youngests birthday, the day after that my car got broken into. If someone is testing me FOOK ME, havent I passed YET?!?!?! Give me a break PLEASE!!!!

And then he whinges that every sat night having the kids is "too much cos he needs time to himself" - taking the piss or what?!?!?

I can never usually sit still long enough to watch a bloody dvd LOL!!! I have done counselling but like tonight, im having a really bad time, I see my counseller next week and by then i'll be in a better frame of mind, but right now im as low as can be, I cant stop crying and I dont even know why?!?!?!

I think finding out over the weekend that my suspicions of him having another woman were right (although not confirmed), maybe its kind of hit me that we are over, I dont know, im just struggling tonight (and last night). He never even really fought for us to get back together, I didnt have any late night texts, begging phone calls, letters, etc, nothing, he didnt try at all.

I do need some kind of motivation and routine to run the house better, at the minute its causing stress worrying about the amount of washing, the dishes, the food shopping, what meal to have, etc etc, mix in with that work, school/nursery runs, managing bills etc, im a wreck!!!

As for the contact routine, im happy with how it is now, its been this way for six months, before that he didnt have them overnight for 5-6 months, before that he did have them overnight, so its been erratic and messy, we all had to fit in with him - which I did so the kids got to see their daddy.

But there is no credit or appreciation for ANY of this, because he is selfish and HE wants to not be tied to this arrangement, in his words "I cant live like this forever, never having a sat night free" - I said it wont be like that, you can swap for a Friday night, but he doesnt offer "swaps", he just means not having them.

I am just glad my kids are too young to fully understand, I am broken hearted for them that the daddy they idolise and adore would be happy to see them LESS. I am really hurt for them. I did try and explain to him last time that the DC wudnt understand only staying with him every 2 weeks,he said they dont know any different, he doesnt give them enough credit tbh, they know more than he thinks. Now the routine has been going for 6 months they even kind of know the pattern which I think is good.

It never was my intention for us to split, I really did soul search before it, I grieved for a long time while we were still together. He thinks I was cold and distant when we split, but it was cos I had dealt with it all for MONTHS. I had talked to him for two years on and off but he used to dismiss me and never took me serious, which made me feel even more worthless.

I offered relate twice but he rubbished it, after we split he went ALONE to relate then had the damn nerve to tell me it was "great and id recommend it" - he even left a fookin leaflet for me to read - another subtle control hint!! I threw it away

Thats how he made me feel, worthless and thats how I feel now, I just seem to do all the time but never actually get anywhere. I know you only feel worthless if you ALLOW someone to make you feel that way, which was another reason for getting out, he wasnt going to change.

Im thinking the ONLY thing I see mediation being good for is saying out loud the things we've already said but in front of a mediator and seeing whether I am actually unreasonable as my XH thinks I am, I think it would be good for him to hear from someone else that what im saying is for the kids benefit, not for mine (my XH seems to think I only want things a certain way for my pleasure!!). But then does a mediator actually point things out or just sit there silently???

Thanks for reading, this is like therapy and I need to vent right now!!! x

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SolidGoldBrass · 01/02/2010 00:30

I second the advice about getting yourself a good lawyer who's on your side. Forget mediation, and above all forget trying to get anyone to make him 'see' that his behaviour is selfish and horrible. He knows it is but he doesn;t care. He thinks he's more important than anyone or anything else and you will never get him to be reasonable. The best thing to do is limit your own contact with him (nothing except matters to do with DC or finance and most of that could be done through a solicitor), work on getting a support network from other people. Best of luck. At least you've got away from the tosspot.

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maristella · 02/02/2010 11:58

single paremts handbook sounds fab, i wish it had been out years ago! it probably was...
yes, wite lists. i write a list every day of what needs to be done, then from that list i will mark off what i need to do next (ie, put a washing load on in the next ad break )
you need to reach that level of acceptance where you know you cannot change your xh's attitude, you cant. and hoping for him to see the light and play fair is only stressing you out more.
you seem upset that he has a new relationship, and it probably seems that he is putting the effort into that relationship that might have saved your marriage, but you must realise that the effort he puts into his new relationship won't last, it's simply because the relationship is new.

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