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This is a long, complicated, emtional issue. Help!

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TottWriter · 16/01/2010 12:48

Okay, this is going to take a while to type.

DP and I (and he is still dear, despite everything) have been together since Feb 07. we hit it off really quickly, and got engaged. I was 19 at the time, but older in terms of what I wanted from a relationship compared to most other teens. He siad he'd had issues as a child having not gone to school from age 13, and spent some time in a hospital because of it, but that he can't really remember the reasons for it all now.

We'd talked about moving in together soon, and having children when we were more settled, say in about 5 years or so. Then I concieved DS in August that year, aged 20, completely unplanned. I was still living at my Dad's at the time though spending more time over at DPs flat. He was just about to start a management job in Kensington but the shock pushed him over the edge and he had a mini nervous breakdown and ended up going back to his previous job.

I pushed him to get help, and he was diagnosed as having an anxiety problem and put on ADs, which he resented as he didn't like the idea of being on tablets his whole life. Me pointing out that I was in the same boat with my epilepsy didn't hugely help, but he seemed to finally get that the point I was making was that there was a chemical problem in his brain that they were fixing, just as my meds fix the electrical hiccoughs in mine. The rest of the pregnancy went well, and he was hugely supportive when I had fits, and whenever pregnancy issues got me down. We moved in together in March 08, just a day under a month before DS was born (with much interference from my mother, with whom DP has some hefty animosity. She annoys me too, but not as much.)

Post birth I was incredibly dowm, but not diagnosed as PND because I've struggled with what is mild depression in all but diagnosis since my teens. DP has been a fantastic father from the word go, but has struggled coping with my poor health more and more as his condition deteriorated. He revealed that he had been to enforced family counselling sessions as a child, and that while in the hospital he had been forcibly restrained on a bed - held down hands and legs. His father was apparently taught to restrain him when the got too much at home (and his dad is far from sympathetic about DP's mental state). I was convinced that this was a huge part of the problem, but around this time he stopped going to his appointments because first they 'weren't helping' (His CBT helped while he had the six sessions but the effects were very short-lived,) and then because he physically couldn't leave the house to attend them. At the same time he couldn't face going to work anymore, and so a manageable debt we had began what turned out to be a long spiral out of control. I began struggling more and more with his moods, as he would go out for long walks and end up at the pub. He was still wonderful around our DS, who seemed to be the only one able to get him to smile. Eventually, he had to quit his job due to ill health, and I went out to work instead. But that didn't last long as my fits caused enough problems that the company let me go after just three or four months. We went on benefits and sought financial advice from the CAB, which just depressed him more. (His diagnosis was revised from Anciety to Depression not too long after DS was born.) Last autumn I found out he'd started smoking to relieve the stress, and he's always drunk too much IMO (though my family are near enough teetotal, so I'm not the best judge of how much is too much). He agreed, after a long struggle, to quit, partly because I threatened to leave if he didn't. I don't want DS explosed to smoke, especially since we're both home all day. After a false start, he did eventually quit, helped by the fact he never smoked enough not to feel ill after the nicotine wore off. He has tried and failed to cut down on the alcohol, and before money got so bad that his accounts were cut off (long, separate story!) he bought bottles of whisky several times and hid them from me. That part has stopped now, though for a long time I struggled to trust him when he said he hadn't smoked or drunk much. (Fortunately we're past the smoking thing now, though I still worry about his reasons for drinking at times.)

It took months before he would admit any of this to his family, which meant I had to field calls when he was feeling too paranoid to answer the phone, and lie to his parents when he was signed off sick to say he was at work, or he had a day off that day, you get the picture. We've recently begun proceedings to go bankrupt, as our numerous attempts to negotiate with the banks have been utterly futile. I'm sure the money worries have been a big part of his stress so far, but that's clearly not all of the issue. I'm 13 wks pregnant now, because we knew when I gave birth the creditors would have stopped calling us, and it's a simple matter for all bills to just come out of my bank account, as the benefits do cover them. Plus, he's very much a family man, and loves DS to bits, and a real light comes into his face when he looks at my small bump.

But the last year or so has been particularly hard on me, as he's spent increasing amounts of time unable to cope with DS's toddler tantrums, and the fact that he still doesn't sleep through. Time and again I've heard him raising his voice getting DS off to sleep, when my technique of speaking quitely whatver happens and simply ignoring him if he plays up seems to work much better. DPs temper is so much shorter than it used to be, and he snaps at me almost every day for something trivial. He's also come off the ADs, as every one he's tried has side effects he doesn't like. While I sympathise, the last one he just stopped by himself and hasn't told his Gp that he's not on them anymore. He is really hopeless about filling out a referral form for counselling, and I don't want to push him because I know it won't help. He also moans every time I have a fit now (an awful lot less now I'm not working), and says he can't cope with looking after me as well as DS. He keeps going on about how he feels he can't leave me alone with him sometimes, which I get, because there have been occasions where my fits could have put DS in danger, but he won't undestand that it's the stress of worrying about him that pushes me over the edge. I don't want to call in SS to help me because I don't want to hurt him any more (his parents seem to have really screwed him up as a child, and I think he still resents them) but I'm nearing my wits end at times.

I'd like to point out that things aren't this awful 100% of the time - I still love him to bits and I'm still happy to be with him overall. Some of the time you would never know, and most of the rest he just seems quiet and reserved, but it's the points where it gets too much for him that it gets too much for me. I come close to telling him how I feel so often, but don't want to make him worse, because he's had suicidal thoughts before and I don't want him to do something stupid. I'm really worried about him, and at the same time as I love him dearly, there are times when I just want to pack my things and go. I just have moments where I don't know where to turn. I don't have any real friends nearby, and have only my Dad and my nan as a local family support network. But I'm getting to the point where I can't cope overall, and I just don't know what to do.

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TottWriter · 16/01/2010 13:22

Oh dear, i think I've made this too long. If you don't fancy reading through the blurb, I can shorten it. But please, is there anyone with any advice? I'm getting to my wits end in knowing what to do.

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chippychippybangbang · 16/01/2010 13:28

hi tottwriter, I am sorry. What a lot you've had to cope with. It sounds like you're desperately in need of support, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about this area to give you any good advice.

Can you contact any depression or mental health charities to see if they can put you in touch with any local help?

I think it sounds as if counselling would really help both of you. I'd definitely encourage that as much as you can, painful though I'd imagine it will be for him.

I hope someone with more knowledge comes along in a minute.

Anniegetyourgun · 16/01/2010 13:35

I've read it, I just don't feel qualified to comment. You've both got such awful problems and it makes it hard for either of you to look after the other, and your child, as you would wish to. I do think - but it would be terrible if you acted on it only to find I was wrong - that you need some outside help, and that SS would be more concerned with helping you both to cope than with judging you or interfering excessively with bringing up your children. You've got to get some kind of help from somewhere and that's the obvious source... as long as your local SS are sensible people. It can only get harder when you have a baby as well as a toddler - as much joy as they bring into your lives, they also bring hard work and extra responsibility. You desperately need support.

Anniegetyourgun · 16/01/2010 13:36

Great minds, Chippy!

thumbwitch · 16/01/2010 13:43

Tott, that's very sad for you both. Unfortunately I can't add anything useful to what has been said already, but your DP really does need to do something about his own mental health issues - just coming off the meds isn't good enough if he doesn't have a back up plan.

Bumping for you more than anything else really - fingers crossed that someone has some great ideas that will help.

Dirtgirl · 16/01/2010 13:52

I'm sorry you are going though this, like Chippy, I wish I could help but I don't know about this area.

So bump.

sowhatis · 16/01/2010 13:52

nothing to add, but what annie and chippy said. good luck, im sure you will get there in the end xxxxx

Nemofish · 16/01/2010 15:02

I think your DH needs to take responsibility for his mental health. It is in no way shape or form his fault that he is in the positiion that he is in, but what he does about it, is. I get the feeling that he is hoping that it will just all go away. It won't.

He needs to do everything he can to help himself get better, whether that is meds under gp's advice (no chopping or changing medication cos he felt like it, he is not a doctor) sustained CBT / counselling (no 'I don't want to talk about it' cop outs). He owes it to you, and your dc and himself to do this.

Otherwise he risks losing his family and perhaps even worse, passing on a whole load of problems to his dcs, which I'm sure is not what he wants.

(nemofish has walked the walk, fwiw)

Best of luck to you and yours

and lastly [hugs] cos I think you deserve them after all you have been through

ItsGraceAgain · 16/01/2010 15:35

Blimey. Thanks for including as much history as you did, because it casts a whole different light on what might look like yet another story of a DP with 'issues'.

I don't think you can put all this down to mood disorders, TW. There's something amiss with his wiring, isn't there? Until you get an actual diagnosis, it leaves you in the horrid position of trying to 'manage' him, without knowing what you need to manage

It's going to take some detective work, isn't it?

The childhood fits are a worry. Do you know what form they took - rage, terror, fits like yours, or what? Can he help you figure out what triggered them? Have you, or any of your friends, noticed oddnesses in the way he relates to people, or reacts to certain situations?

Hope you can get somewhere with this, it'd be a shame to let an unrecognised health problem interfere with an otherwise good relationship.

ItsGraceAgain · 16/01/2010 15:40

< oddnesses in the way he relates to people, or reacts to certain situations >
Or places, or foods? Stranger things have happened.

drivinmecrazy · 16/01/2010 16:09

Again, have no knowledge in this area. Just wanted to say what a generous person you are to see all the good that is in him as well as the issues he faces when you are dealing with your own difficulties.
What an amazing example to set for your children

ItsGraceAgain · 16/01/2010 16:56

Was he excluded from school at 13 (for difficult behaviour), or did his education end due to the health problem? How long was he in hospital? Was he home schooled after that?

TottWriter · 16/01/2010 21:38

He stopped going to school himself. He doesn't remember why, or doesn't want to remember, but he just stopped going. His mum has said that they 'tried everything', but the evidence suggests otherwise (he has two brothers and one of them seems to have had a similar experience. To this day he lives with his parents, has no contact with anyone outside his immediate family, and spends his time on the computer or the Wii. So it sounds like a case of bad parenting IMO).

I think he just used to get frustrated, and I don't know what happened to make them restrain him, though I do know he was forcibly taken to family counselling sessions. I think that hasn't helped him now, because he must have some pretty crap associations with counselling, which could be why he resists it so much. It also doesn't help that a lot of the time he means to go to appointments, and then on the day he gets so stressed he physically can't leave the house. And they aren't prepared to come here (despite the clinic literally being 30 seconds away...). I don't want to push him into counselling, because I think that, with his past experiences, it will make him all the more reluctant to go, but I'm at my wits end in knowinghow to help.

He can go from being a happy, friendly, affectionate father and partner to a moody unpleasant grouch in a matter of seconds. I love him, and so want him to get better, but it's so hard when he seems to refuse all help.

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TottWriter · 16/01/2010 21:42

Oh, and I'm reluctant to call SS unless I have to, because his self esteem is just that fragile. I don't want him to feel like I don't trust him, and I think that's how he'd take it. He's reluctant to admit that he has a drinking problem, and my attempts to get him to even join or call a support group have been met with him going off in what I can only describe as a huff. I'm hoping that when our bankrupcy goes through the loss of that pressure will help enough to get him to get help, but i don't have a lot of faith. I just wish I knew the words that would convince him it's not all his fault and that he's not making it up and that medical advice is what he really needs.

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mathanxiety · 16/01/2010 21:55

Any way you can try to make him see it's the children that matter here? Self medicating with alcohol is the road to ruin, but you know that. So is taking yourself off the ADs. Does he think it's all his fault though, or that people think he's making it up? Sounds more like he thinks others are making it up and it's other people's fault, maybe I'm reading it all wrong.

How about going to counselling yourself for support and advice about coping or ways to approach him?

ItsGraceAgain · 16/01/2010 22:38

I can't help thinking he has some condition (probably genetic, from what you said about his brother) that has been mis-diagnosed and mis-treated. As you implied, the wrong treatment seems to have traumatised him to the extent that he's blotted out his memories and mistrusts the medical establishment.

He's probably drinking, etc, because he doesn't understand himself. Of course, it's only going to make him less able to deal with whatever-it-is, if he keeps on with it

It would been cool if you could, together, find a trail of evidence that would give him the confidence to seek accurate & relevant help.
It's a shame I'm not a doctor!!
Some thoughts ... ?

< To this day [his brother] lives with his parents, has no contact with anyone outside his immediate family, and spends his time on the computer or the Wii. >
< His father was apparently taught to restrain him when the got too much at home >
< He can go from being a happy, friendly, affectionate father and partner to a moody unpleasant grouch in a matter of seconds. >

Autism?
Bipolar disorder?
Schizophrenia?
Epilepsy?
Thyroid/Pituitary/Adrenal disorder?
Diabetes?
Porphyria??

... does he like researching obscure things? Could improve his life no end

I do wish you both luck. It sounds like the sort of underlying worry that gives you constant stress

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