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Can I have some opinions on this, please?

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 13:21

How would this make you feel? Am I right to feel real damage has been done or am I being unreasonable?

My relationship with dh has been difficult for some years. Our problems began when our youngest ds was diagnosed with a genetic condition - not life-threatening nor particularly serious, but enough to leave him with a slight disability, which he copes brilliantly with.

Anyway, when he was about two I became massively broody. At first my dh agreed to have another child, but then changed his mind.

I was broody to the point of crying at nappy adverts and unable to even look down the baby goods aisle at the supermarket. Dh was completely unable to cope with this and offered very little in terms of emotional support.

I begged and pleaded with my dh for another child, but he was unprepared to take the risk of having another child with the same condition as ds2. I asked him to sort out some genetic counselling (I wasn't that bothered, as I was fully prepared to go ahead with having another child regardless) which he promised to do, but again didn't.

All of the above isn't the real problem, though. I appreciate that he was entitled to his feelings and that you shouldn't bring a child into the world unless it's wanted by both parents.

The thing I can't get my head around is that while all this was going on, he continued to not use any contraception when we had sex. On one occasion I actually did become pregnant but had a very early miscarriage.

This led me to believe he was feeling ambivalent about the baby issue, and I think I went a bit crazy, buying pregnancy tests every bloody week and living in constantly dashed hope. He knew this was going on, yet still avoided using contraception or having a vasectomy.

This has been going on for about the last six or seven years, and now I don't feel remotely broody any more - particularly as our marriage is not now in the best state. But he still refuses to get a vasectomy. He says that he doesn't want to do anything as permanent as that until our marriage is on firmer ground - which I interpret as "I don't want any more children - with you".

So now I have had the contraceptive jab (which is, it has to be said, largely academic at the moment) which annoys me because I feel that yet again the responsibility is on me to act.

I'm so confused, as when I try to tell him how hurt I was by all the above, he tells me that having sex with no contraception was a choice we both made, rather than something he did to me, ifswim. But surely he must have known I was living in hope?

He won't even apologise or try to see it from my point of view. He just gets defensive and says "Well I suppose I could have handled it better."

Am so confused. Must add, I'm not perfect, and whatever problems we have are not all his fault. But I'm struggling to get past this.

Sorry it's long. Any contributions are gratefully received.

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 14:37

Oh God knows...I'm trucking on with counselling, trying to find strength to make a decision.

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LouLouH · 17/12/2009 14:37

I don't think your going to get any answers from anyone other than him. And until he's ready to talk your in a catch 22.

None of us can give you sound advice without knowing every fact like your councillor does. If anyone she has the best overview than anyone and the professional knowledge and experience.

beanzmum · 17/12/2009 14:42

There's either a happy medium that can be reached, or there isn't. It still sounds like counselling is needed on his part - whether he sees this or not is a bit of a moot point! I agree with the other posters on the EA ... surely this can take many forms, and the fact that you're feeling so messed up and messed around is the evidence?

2kidzandi · 17/12/2009 14:52

I think your husband has behaved cruelly towards you. By holding out the promise of something you greatly desired - by refusing to use contraception - whilst knowing full well that it would put you in the emotionally painful cycle of hoping you were preganant each time, and then knowing also the the pain you would feel each time you weren't PG, that is what he did. He may not have intended it but that is what happened, he effectively blackmailed and took emotional, and mental control of you.

Since he is the one who was adamant that he didn't want children he should have taken precautions. His decision not to have a vasectomy would make me feel that he isn't ruling out children per'se (i.e, with someone else) and that he is really worried about having another diabled child. It sounds as if the communication has broken down between you both a long time ago. I don't think he realises what he's done fully as he doesn't seem to be listening to you. I think you should go to counselling together.

2kidzandi · 17/12/2009 14:53

Ooops, you are doing counselling ignore me.

Laquitar · 17/12/2009 14:53

It is not wonder you are confused, i am very confused reading your op. My first thought was -like yours- that he doesn't want more children with YOU. But then again he is having unprotected sex with YOU! It doesn't make sense.

Is he one of those people who don't like the responsibility of taking decisions? And then they can throw it at you?

One of my ex's was like this. I would drive and ask him 'left or right?'His reply always was 'i don't know'. After i turned left and it was the wrong way he would say 'i knew we should have turned right'.
Or i would ask him 'which hotel shall we book?'. His reply was 'you choose'. Then if the hotel was good thats great, if it wasn't good it was my fault and my resbonsibility.

I don't know if it makes any sense in your case, sorry if i confused you even more.

Amazoniancracker · 17/12/2009 15:15

Sorry if this is too personal, but may I ask if he has never been keen to use a condom, even before dcs - ie he prefers sex without using one?

If so, and there are plenty of men that hate using johnnies, then are you absolutely 100 per cent sure he has not had a vasectomy?

What I am getting at, is that he definitely does not want more children, with anyone.
He hates using a condom however and therefore, knowing that if he told you you would go ballistic and be v upset, he went behind your back to have the snip....??

Conspiracy theory I know but...

Laquitar · 17/12/2009 15:26

Amazonian, i thought about this too. But OP did fall pregnant once.

SolidGoldpiginablanket · 17/12/2009 15:33

I think he's 'abusive' as well. OK so he doesn;t hit you or call you a cunt, but what comes across clearly is that he really doesn't give a flying fuck about your feelings. He just tunes them out because you're only a woman and to him, you're not half as important as he is.

Just ask yourself this: does a decent, kind person see another person in terrible ongoing distress and not try to do something to help, or at least acknowledge the distress? He just isn't interested by the sound of it.

ducati · 17/12/2009 15:50

Just to mix it up a bit.......if I were a man I wouldn't get a vasectomy, just like I wouldn't be sterilised myself. I have never really analysed why I feel like this -- I don't want any more children, and in a few years will be too old to get knocked up anyway, but still it just feels like a step I couldn't take. I was shocked when my best friend told me her husband had had snip. (i'm easily shocked clearly)

Could there be a bit of that with your dh?? ie some irrational reason for not having it done, not necessarily that he may one day want to have another family???

Perhaps this has become some sort of totemic issue between you, covering up some other problems you have not yet faced??

Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 17:49

Thanks all - had a carol concert to go to!

Re: the secret vasectomy theory. I had that thought, and have asked him. He says not, and I think I would have known. His behaviour hasn't ever changed - surely there would be physical signs? He would be sore, etc?

He does seem to think that when I am upset I am being hysterical. He's all for glossing over things - I was quiet today at the carol thing, and he was asking what was wrong. Considering we discussed this and how hurt I was by it all and how I didn't know how much longer I could carry on only a couple of days ago, I'm amazed he had to ask. It's like he can put everything to the back of his mind. Well, bury it really, and he expects me to do the same.

He lives on the surface. I can't do it any longer

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cestlavielife · 18/12/2009 10:49

my first child was brn with major issues..whcih became more apparent as tim went by. i got pregnant again and thenP was devastated, didnt want the risk, i miscarried and eh was "pleased" and thankful... he didnt go for contraception either so was eseentially my decision...we got pregnant again, child had soem minor issues but generally is fine, then again... (have 3 dcs). ex never never accepted ds1 's issues. anyway we separated now, big issues came to fore. that is by the by - but yes i was repsonsible for contraception really.

maybe some joint counselling would be worth while? really get to grips with what you like about each other and why you stay together?

what are his good points?

you take things to heart, struggle with them for days, he thinks it over and done with...

you say you spent six seven years crying at nappy adverts (unless i read it wrong) - that is a long long time to be feeling miserable.

and the begging/pleading - as someone who has been on receiving end of constant begging/pleading - it does become such a bore after a while - seems like nothing you can can say can fix it so you switch off...

yes there are big big problems with communication here.

thing is "how hurt I was by it all" - maybe he thinks it old hat you done and dusted with this issue? he doesnt get why you upset at all because it is such long ongoing issue that has been simmering for so long? it isnt something that just happened as such...is much bigger, deeper...

what do you want from him right now? practically speaking?

i dont think you can both carry on like this any longer - but if you want to make a go of it with him then joint counselling is a must. communication is going to be vital if you to carry on together.

and pursue your own counselling, maybe some CBT type stuff. or delve into your past with psychoanalytical therapy - - you mentioend being an unwanted child - some unresolved issues here from your childhood...

Bobbiewickham · 18/12/2009 16:16

Hi,

yes, I intend to carry on with the psychotherapy, I think there are definitely deeper issues going on for both of us.

We have booked our first couples counselling session for after Christmas.

I think we are going to try to put our issues to one side for Christmas and see where the new year takes us.

Thanks everyone for the input - you've been brilliant, as ever.

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