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What shall I tell my four year old about his grandparents (who I don't talk to)

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dejags · 27/06/2005 19:58

My parents and I don't communicate whatsoever. The long and sorry tale is here if you are brave enough to wade through it.

Sadly both of my IL's have passed away. Recently my DS1 has been asking about his granny (DH's mum), he constantly goes on about how much he misses her (she died when he was 2.5). He always asks why we can't phone Granny and Grandpa in heaven. I try my best to explain but I can't get too detailed with a four year old.

The problem is this - my mother (who is alive and well) insists on sending DS Xmas and Birthday cards. This year she sent him a £20 postal order with a note to ask his mummy to buy him something nice. Now I haven't spoken to her since shortly before DS's 3rd birthday (and then they only saw him 5 or 6 times in his whole life) and he never asks about her or my father. We want to treat DS with the money - he deserves a treat but I am not sure where to tell him it came from.

On the one hand I think - to hell with them, they made my life a misery, just take the £20 quid and buy something nice, no need to say anything.

On the other hand I am a decent person, who believes in thanking people for gifts. I don't want to discuss DS's maternal grandparents with him just yet because he doesn't mention them and the situation is so complicated.

I know this is a bit confusing, but what would you do?

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dejags · 28/06/2005 19:20

sorry I really didn't mean to rehash the old thread on this one.

this is a painful subject, I hope I am not hurting anybody by bringing it up.

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Fio2 · 28/06/2005 19:24

I am not together dejags, i am like you. On good days (like today) I dont give a hoot and on bad days it gets me down, or something triggers it, like a letter or a present or someone bumping into him. My SIL constantly tells me how wonderful he is (he is a wealthy man and I think people are 'bought' by this aswell, but thats another story) and it drives me mad aswell as makes me upset and sad. Yes I feel paranoid too that people will think it is me who is the bad one and the 'black sheep of the family", but when i sit down and think logically I know that all i am bothered about is my family and my children, they need me and they love me. I have friends and a husband who loves me, so I cant be all that bad. that is what you have to remind yourself.

It is hard though

dejags · 28/06/2005 19:27

fio, have you read the book Toxic Parents. It was recommended on another thread. I have ordered it in the hope that it will give me some insight into handling this situation.

I feel bereft but there hasn't been a funeral, I feel angry but nobody feels bad that I do, I feel so bloody low about this situation.

Sorry to harp, I am normally not such a miserable mare

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dejags · 28/06/2005 19:29

oh and to add to my woes my brother doesn't speak to me either. The last time I spoke to him he went on an on about the lovely time they had had over easter. I lost it and screamed "well whoopee f**ing do" down the phone to him.

Now he thinks I am a screw loose too (sigh)

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unicorn · 28/06/2005 19:44

oh dejags!
my family all think I am crazy, and If crazy means standing up to bullying people, and not taking their crap anymore, well I guess I am!

Toxic parents and toxic siblings in my case....

wish you well.
x

nellie245 · 28/06/2005 20:07

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ChaCha · 28/06/2005 20:30

I just posted a similar message yesterday Dejags, since being PG have had a hard, long look at the relationship i have with my mum. I hope everything works out for you..I miss my mum but i can't go through all the hurt again, when i'm sat here with my PILs and my father and we're discussing the baby, part of me feels terrible that mum isn't part of it all.
I'm going off on a tangent now...
Love chacha 18+3

BadgerBadger · 29/06/2005 00:28

Hi Dejags

No, no apology and more damaging to me - no reasons offered up other than to state that anything that did happen was my fault - not that anything did happen! (Make sense of that one if you can, I've given up )

From a young age I heard a lot of "You need help, go to a counsellor" 's. Not put forward in a positive way of course, more as an out an out put down. (For "You need help, go to a counsellor" read "you are absolutely barking mad, you trouble making little b**ch"). My original father had beaten my mum, pulled me out of bed to watch him kill her (well, so he'd said, as he dragged me down the stairs at the grand old age of 5.)
So, she couldn't face the thought that things weren't working out once again, she'd rather blame me, my step father quite happily followed her lead (unsurprisingly!).

Coincidentally, eventually going for psychotherapy as an adult led me to make the decision to break all contact with them, not just because of what they did, but what they continued to do - I had to make the decision not to let them.

Making the decision to break contact with them led to problems with my siblings, I knew at the time that taking this step would test our relationships to their limit.

My sister and I (she's 5 years younger) are still working hard on our relationship, she cut contact with my parents about a year and a half after I did. I told her the worst of my past about 6 months before she broke contact with them. The time had never been right before, she hadn't witnessed a lot of what happened and I needed her to ask me to tell her.

If I had told her about it, or tried to talk at length with her about our parents/childhood before this time, she would have undoubtedly believed what she had been conditioned to believe.

My brother and I have real trouble. I have had him effing and blinding down the phone to me on a number of occasions in the past (I always hung up when he did this, eventually he stopped) but I don't bear bad feeling towards him for it. He is just as hurt and confused as I once was. I learnt through my experience with my sister that there will be a time that he comes to me, that time will be when he is ready to listen to what I have to say, but until that time, we wont discuss our past or my decision as it would most probably be far too raw for him, feelings which he would see me^ as responsible for and it would therefore be the end of our relationship.

I really do feel for you, but I can honestly say that things really do get better. Throughout psychotherapy, I realised that the only part of me that was preventing me from getting rid of my parents was my inner child. That was the part of me that still, on occasion cried itself to sleep at night, the part of me that needed her mummy. The mother I was looking for however, was long gone. Yes, my mother and myself actually got on, on the surface. We could flounce around in the happy family parody we had each done our bit to create, laughing at each others jokes until the tears rolled down our faces. All the time the thought spinning around my mind "Why did you let him do this to me?" all the time, her eyes replying - "rather you than me".

I couldn't live like that, perpetuating their lie.

I don't hurt anymore, I'm not confused. I'm sure, certain that one day the same will go for you. Initially, I found it a whirlwind of emotion, changes of perspectives were hitting me hard and fast - I really couldn't grasp where I was with this at any given time! But, things do start to make sense, give yourself time look forward to liberation.

Thinking of you xx

MaryP0p1 · 29/06/2005 03:40

Hi Dejags.

I could be your son almost. My Mother doesn;t speak to her family but I don't know why. I remember them from childhood vividly and know there were problems but I was very small so the details are unclear, just the mood. I have asked questions about them but Mum gets upset and won't tell me anything. She not a good communicator re feeling/herself anyway. I have contact details of my family, from the internet, and have many time thought of contacting them to get an explaination of lack of family. This is particularly difficult for me I think because I come from an Irish Catholic family on both side and KNOW half of very large extended from is but barred. I the only reason I have refrained from writing to my uncle is A) fear of what I might find out and mostly B) I don't want to upset my Mother.

I think if you use the money you shouldn't say where it came from and if your DS asks questions about your parents as honestly as possible (without frightening) as soon as the questions come. If you don't and it comes out in one big enormous they did this that and the other he may find it very shocking. Possibly when the questions come up, which they will, say something like I didn't have a very happy childhood because my Mummy and Daddy weren't as kind to me like we are to you. Leave the rest vage until you feel you can tell him and he is ready to hear more.

I hope this helps. Oh and by the way IMO family secrets always have a horrible way of coming out when you don't want them to so best not to have them. Believe me I have had some nasty experiences of this.

dejags · 30/06/2005 20:31

Just a bit of feedback about the book - Toxic Parents.

I picked it up this morning and it seems very insightful. I cried through some bits and am hoping the "Reclaiming your Life" bit will be helpful.

Thanks for all your replies.

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