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FIL staying, driving me totally insane!

21 replies

weegiemum · 13/12/2009 22:33

I think I am going to sound like I am being petty and weird here, but my FIL is staying until Tuesday (from last Thursday) and I feel like I am no longer welcome in my own home.

A bit of background. FIL and MIL are divorced, since before we were married 15 years ago. FIL has always, according to dh, done things on his own terms - never did anything with the family, spent his entire weekends with his hobby not his family (like being away from Friday to Sunday almost every weekend), is the most passive person I have ever met, incredibly fatalistic and makes no effort with relationships whatsoever.

His relationship with his other son, my BIL, has already broken down irretrivably because he makes no effort: no birthday cards, Christmas presents at least 3 months late, we never know where he is, what he is doing, and he is going to be one of these men who ends up dying alone, because we never know if he's not answering the phone because he is dead or ill or on holiday, or away (now for weeks at a time, since his retirement, with his hobby). We get an occasional postcard but he has this habit which I find annoying and he no doubt thinks is quirky, of never sending a postcard from where he actually is.

He has remarried and that marriage has now broken down too, and he is seeing someone else but still wearing his wedding ring with no plans to divorce : up to him.

Anyway, he is here cos he got in touch by email last month to say he had booked his plane tickets and was turning up on Thurs 10th. Didn't ask if it was ok, just announced it. As dh hadn't seen his Dad for 2 years (!) he was pleased about this so I gritted my teeth to make dh happy. So he turns up, just says "I'm here", no hello, how are you, nice to see you, anything. Comes in, dumps his case, puts on his slippers, asks for a coffee and starts to read the newspaper!!!

He will sit for 2-3 hours with a nose in a book ignoring everyone, including his 3 grandchildren, then start on some rambling story about himself, or his (very) bizzare opinions, then suddenly pull out about 300 photos of some exceptionally expensive foreign holiday he was just on then never even mention the fact that dd2 just had her birthday and he never even sent a card, let alone got her a present. He makes himself a coffee and never asks if anyone else wants one (for some reason, this drives me practically insane), never asks about things, never plays with the kids, wont tell a story or do a jigsaw or come out for a walk. he just sits and reads the paper (and to make it worse, its the mail).

I feel like I can't walk through my own lounge without this silent, opressive, self absorbed presence there. He has no manners, never says thankyou, never lifts a finger to clear a plate or wash a dish.

I don't want my guests helping all the time, but surely Grandparents are there to spend time with the children - he just ignores them. I would never stay without clearing the table, offering to make everyone a cuppa. Dh tolerates it as that is what his Dad has always been like though he is more extreme than he used to be, but as I grew up with a vibrant, involved, interested Dad, who is now the same as a Grandpa, I find this all very bewildering.

Its not helping that I'm just coming out of a bad 'blip' with my depression.

I know its just 5 nights, but it is really taking its toll on me, and the kids. Dd1, (9), has asked why Grandad came to see us as he isn't listening to her!

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SleighGirl · 13/12/2009 22:36

deep breath, new mantra "It's nearly Tuesday, it's nearly Tuesday"

no other advice I'm afraid

HumphreyCobbler · 13/12/2009 22:39

How grim for you. Drink wine. Think of how nice it will be when he goes.

weegiemum · 13/12/2009 22:40

"its nearly tuesday ... its nearly tuesday"

I'm not being weird. Its him,

My friend came round tonight and said "hope your dh never turns into that"

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weegiemum · 13/12/2009 22:41

Actually tonight I have had 2 large Vodka Tonics while he thought it was sparkling water.

He currently thinks I am checking the weather forecast for tomorrow!

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SleighGirl · 13/12/2009 22:43

"it's early Tuesday, it's nearly Tuesday"

I think you may need to go out and do lots of Christmas shopping tomorrow?

HumphreyCobbler · 13/12/2009 22:43

Is it easier when under the influence?

Really really sympathise, I hate having people staying even when I like them. What happens if you give him a drink?

weegiemum · 13/12/2009 22:44

He doesn't drink.

So I am having his.

If I have a couple it is easier to ignore....

Oh look. He just got up and went to bed without saying goodnight or anything!

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NotanOtter · 13/12/2009 22:45

you are right
he sounds a complete arse

praise yourself for doing this - i wouldn't!

dizzycringles · 13/12/2009 22:48

oh weegie, mine are here too and FIL has a tea/newspaper obsession that drives me to distraction too

you have my upmost sympathy - you can do this and hopefully it will be another 10 few years before he decides to grace you with his presence again

rookiemater · 13/12/2009 22:49

Why are you pretending you don't drink, surely it is none of his beeswax what is in your glass ?

Ditto, why do you have to justify going on the internet if he is sitting reading the paper ?

I empathise as he sounds like a real pain, but if he has seen fit to shed the civility and conventions normally displayed by house guests/grandparents then so can you. I'd be cutting right through his stories and walking up half way into his photos. He sounds hideously self indulgent and whilst you do have a responsibility to put him up for a few nights for your DHs sake and not get into huge rows with him, you don't have to be some geisha DIL.

weegiemum · 13/12/2009 22:52

He doesn't "agree" with drinking (was some hotshot psychologist on the effects of alcohol in the early-mid 70s) and the lectures are worse than the pretence.

Likewise he has some crappy arsey opinions about the internet.

I am laughing up my sleeve at him in the most childish way possible, tbh, but it is keeping me going!!!

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Heated · 13/12/2009 22:54

"Here we are grandad, here's the pram, dc needs taking for a walk. Wrap up warm, see you in half an hour."

"Grandad loves reading...Granddad, would you read dc his book/listen to dc read whilst I get on with dinner? (don't wait for an answer) Thanks so much"

I don't know if he's like my father who needs instruction! You could always try it and see.

But if not, roll on Tuesday!

dizzycringles · 13/12/2009 22:54

doesn't agree with it?!? arse, he doesn't have to agree with it in YOUR house - am now beginning to wonder if your FIL and mine are related

weegiemum · 13/12/2009 22:56

He ignores instructions.

Including mealtimes.

Arse.

I am going to college in the morning and then shopping. Dh is taking kids from school to the cinema so they won't be home until about 6.45pm

Its almost over.

Desperately want to ask MIL why she stayed married to him for 23 years!

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TheCrackFox · 13/12/2009 23:00

Your poor MIL, she wasted 23 yrs on this tosser.

Perhaps a voodoo doll would be appropriate for his next visit.

toomanystuffedbears · 14/12/2009 02:50

Get an ipod and dark sunglasses; don't take either of them off until he is gone.

Have a mini-journal and pen hanging around your neck to record observations of your 'guest' and suggest to yourself humerous reasons why/how he got to this point.

No alcohol? And how many illegitimate children did he conceive to get to that point?

Reading paper with such concentration? Is he just now learning?

Selective deafness? The modeling he must do with all that ear wax.

Kitchen phobia...oh dear, too rich to even start.

Time flies? Well, this sort of thing makes it slow way down, doesn't it? 48 more hours will seem like 48 days. You have all my empathy.

Btw, I have not tried this method but am considering it for my next inlaw experience.

GroundHoHoHogs · 15/12/2009 17:47

Tuesday is over... has he gone yet?

LovestheChaos · 17/12/2009 16:35

Jesus. Could this man be autistic? It sure sounds like it.

2rebecca · 17/12/2009 16:48

Agree sounds a bit aspergersy although diff to tell without more details eg what is his hobby, if solitary may be, if playing football or ballroom dancing unlikely.
Alot of elderly men (and younger men) find small sprogs a bit boring and tiresome though.

giveitago · 17/12/2009 17:58

Erm - my mil stayed in our tiny flats for 2.5 months. Yes, months - she didn't know how to lock toilet door and hence went to the loo with door open, she'd regularly barge into our room, look through my things etc.

Insists on the doing the housework so I should be grateful that she's here - then get bored so I have to take her out and entertain her whilst criticsiing my parenting 24/7 and she leaves us all in chaos.

HELL ON EARTH.DH loves it (fhmm).

Oooh and the best bit is that we have to fly over and get her and then fly her back home. Super that.

Bigbadmummy · 17/12/2009 19:07

console yourself with the fact that he will be telling his mates how wonderful his son and DIL are.

You are doing a great job.

It could be worse.... he could be there over Christmas!!!!!

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