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Coping with school mums...

43 replies

Genevive · 26/11/2009 23:28

My daughter goes to a small primary school where there are various cliches of mums

When we first went, 5 years ago now, there was one particular cliche with a boss ring-leader. She later said she hated me on the spot, but later decided I was OK and we became friends and had a good relationship for awhile though we didn't have much in common. She's quite a gossip and always knows everybodies business. Others in the cliche were my friends also and we've all been around each others houses and had many happy times over the school holidays.

For some reason, and I haven't a clue why, ring-leader has been cold-shouldering me for the last few years for no apparent reason. She was always quite bullying of me and trying to tell me what to do and then got annoyed if I didn't take her advice over things. That is the only thing I can think of.

If I join the group in the playground and try to make conversation with her, she'll slowly turn around so I'm looking straight at her back less than a foot away. After this kept happening I started to talk to other people and kept my distance and then eventually stopped even taking part in the group. It was really hurtful and I got fed up of being cold-shouldered (literally).

Well, after the Summer holiday, when I didn't hear from any of them, they've all been cool towards me and I don't know why. Some, still haven't spoken to me since we got back in September. Recently, I said hello to a few and they seemed OK but cool.

The ring-leader I am not too bothered about now but its the others that are hurting me the most now. They've all been around my house and many of them I have tried to help in various ways and given them things etc. I've really put myself out for one in particular who was going through a bad time and needed a friend. I am famous for not gossiping and can keep a secret, so I know it's not anyting I have said.

Now the new batch of mothers have joined the school, one seem to be giving me snooty looks too.She has palled up with the one who I helped the most and who had the same sense of humour as me. I see them laughing and joking and I feel really lonely. I'm standing in the playground on my own quite often and now don't try to talk to them.

It has really got me down, and made me depressed and felt close to tears on many occasions. It's hurt my daughter too.

I'm probably been stand-offish with them too but it's been fear of rejection. They may think it's me that's changed but I'm sure the ring-leader has something to do with it.

I know there isn't any answers anybody can give but I just wanted to put my thoughts down at last and say how unhappy I've been.

I feel like there's something wrong with me - it's just like being at school again myself!!

OP posts:
IvanaDK · 27/11/2009 13:10

Isn't it sad - for a lot of women staying at home while the children are small is just not enough, so rather than use energy on something useful, they treat other people like that!

Genevive, I'm really sorry you are going through this, it must be awful. Try to turn your energy towards other people than these b*tches - they make me ashamed of being a woman.

boolifooli · 27/11/2009 13:36

Agreeing with others, ring leader sounds thoroughly unlikeable. It sounds just like school girl politics where the underlings are worse for following suit. Make sure you time it so that dd is just coming out. If you work it right you won't ever have to be standing still.

Genevive · 04/12/2009 11:04

Ah bless you all!! How you've cheered me up and got myself out of myself over this! Sorry about the 'cliche of mum's'. I'm actually dyslexic which causes a lot of laughs with my 'dysloxisms' as I call them. I remember saying to somebody 'how do you spend Christmas - do you have a nice TV dinner and then watch turkey?. I didn't even know I'd said it.

Thank you all for making me laugh and making me laugh at myself too. I can now see this more clearly and I love the idea of air of mystery wearing my MP3! Love it... as you say, it's a good lesson to teach my daughter how to deal with bullies also. Thanks again, everyone x

OP posts:
Imablokepleasebegentle · 04/12/2009 11:52

In my experience school playgrounds are the some of the cliquiest places there are. I was taken aback when I first experienced it and I find it rather sad.

SNSN · 17/09/2013 12:37

There's also this type of intrusive one who would come & talk to my son if he does something wrong, she approached him in a party as he & a friend were pushing ( NOT hers ), when I saw that I went to talk to him while she was on my way & I gently said excuse me & she still didn't move !! she then gave this face to her crowd sitting & watching the scene.
I talked to my son & on our way out I couldn't help not to talk to her & to ask her never to talk to him again !! let me assure you that she has a history with our family for almost 4 years now

HairyGrotter · 17/09/2013 13:18

DD is in year 1 now, and I've yet to speak to any parent Grin

I rock up, drop and run, then rock up again, earphones in, eye contact minimal, collect, then head home. She attends the parties but can be left there alone (decently behaved, so no worries).

I've no intention of making friends or joining any cliques. Each to their own, it's just not my scene. I have my mates (some of who are parents) and I'm happy with my lot!

Don't take it to heart, just get on with life, school is for the kids

DIYapprentice · 17/09/2013 13:28

It's all so much harder at smaller schools - I feel for you.

I've found it hard, because I've clashed with one of the neurotic mums because my DS became a target of her DSs violent behaviour - in her mind it was all my DSs fault that he was being hurt, and not her own DSs (yes, I am still peeved by this!)

My DSs attend a tiny village school, but we are near some larger towns and most of the parents actually live outside of the village. As I've started to get more and more involved in village life (only moved in a few years ago) I've realised that I rarely see a single one of these parents at anything else.

So although its seems as though it's easier to make friends at the school gates, and its always hurtful to know that people don't like you, try to find people to become friends with that you have more in common with than just the fact that you happened to give birth roughly at the same time.

(Easier said than done I know!)

KatyTheCleaningLady · 17/09/2013 13:47

I used to live in the Highlands, rural community. I tried to make friends, but soon gave up. I started walking around with my nose in the air, ignoring people, and only returning hello's, never instigating them. I admit that this was rather childish of me. But, to my surprise, people were friendlier than when I was trying to make friends!

Also, although we moved before it went anywhere, a woman approached me because she'd noticed that I was different from the "cliché" cows, and aloof from them. She'd gone through similar to me and sensed a kindred spirit. It may seem that all the mums are in a clique, but I am sure, as this thread illustrates, there are many who just drop of and get out of there.

WipsGlitter · 17/09/2013 13:52

If you don't have a circle of friends then trying to be friends with other mums is a good idea.

However, it all sounds as if you have too much time on your hands.

There must be someone else standing on their own? Form your own cliché!

Chivetalking · 17/09/2013 13:57

Sweep in with the bell both ends of the day.

Job done.

Candlefire · 17/09/2013 14:02

You're being bullied. Avoid. Stop trying to please them. Get involved in another part if the community away from all this narrow mindedness.

JsOtherHalf · 17/09/2013 14:21

The OP started this thread in 2009, hopefully it has got better in the last 4 years.

wildspinning · 17/09/2013 14:28

OP I really understand where you're coming from. Last yr I had a nasty run-in with one of the mums at school. I have a zero-tolerance approach to being bullied after bring badly bullied as a teenager. One incidence of abusive behaviour and you're out in my world!

So since the mum was nasty to me I have essentially ignored her. I am civil - 'hi' in the morning, that sort of thing - but no conversations, no invites to my house, holiday meet-ups etc. She has tried to worm her way back in via text, email, trying to talk to me in the playground etc but I ignore her beyond being civil.

Now I'm free of her and can live my life in peace! She'll never be my friend again and my life is all the better for it.

I do feel for you OP. All the best and hope things work out for you.

CaptainSweatPants · 17/09/2013 14:35

zombie thread

Chivetalking · 17/09/2013 15:42

Fuck me. Didn't notice the original date Grin

I sincerely hope things have changed.

Looking for a bit of parental banter in the playground of what must by now be secondary school isn't likely to prove terribly successful for even the most dedicated cliche wannabe Grin

BlackMogul · 17/09/2013 16:02

Schol mums are nearly always in a gang of some kind though, that the problem. There is the "my husband has a better job than yours so we only talk to similar well paid professional parents " the "Church crew", the "we went to university so have clever children" gang, the "I will do anything to get them a grammar school place " desperados, and the people who live in Council houses and those who live in the most expensive houses who never mix and the children don't mix either because the well off parents control the friendship groups. Stuff them all! Occasionally there is someone just like you but they can be hard to find. I have been shunned, my children have been shunned. We walked away and went private. Yes these people were at our C of E local school. There were so many factions and layers of parental one up manship it was mind boggling. I agree with OP it can be upsetting and children are affected because they are not invited to parties etc. Just do your best and try and find someone just a bit like you or it is lonely at the gate!

Mojavewonderer · 17/09/2013 16:12

Ahh been there and done that. I am happy to talk to anyone but I don't get close to the other parents at school after being burnt a couple of times. I just drop off and pick up now and say a few hello's but I don't stand with anyone. No one cares either as they are too busy with their own lives.

Wellwobbly · 17/09/2013 17:07

Bad luck, Healed, you walked slap bang into a narcissist. At first they make you feel wonderful and included and life is great, but after a while you do something that threatens them...

and this is the other side. All the bad feelings dumped on YOU.

Work really, really hard on knowing deep in the marrow of your bones that this is not about you. Their behaviour is not the measure of your worth.

The thing to do is NOT to react.

Carry on smiling serenely, making friends with other groups, and acting like you haven't noticed. Do NOT retaliate or in any way escalate the situation. After a few weeks Narc ringleader will have someone else she needs to dump on. Then quietly and very discreetly invite one of the little girls (the nicer Mums ones) on a playdate.

But, really? Look for friends among the other groups. This happened to me (have since removed myself from narc friend) and found out the other 'since friends' have said: we had no idea why you ever had anything to do with her.
See, they saw straight through her and stayed away and I didn't. These things are sent to us to learn OP. We have to fix our chosers!

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