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mental disorders within a relationship

9 replies

originalpringle · 15/11/2009 14:41

please dont think im suggesting that you should always stay in a relationship, regardless or what happens, but i cant help but notice that people seem to be overly keen to say, "leave him", "kick her out" etc, even when the partner is showing signs of mental disorder.
surely if he/she is ill, there has to be some leeway of what you will put up with? you wouldnt suggest that someone left if they were physically ill? why is this different for mental illness?

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GypsyMoth · 15/11/2009 14:49

alot of bad behaviour is passed off as being 'mental health issues' or 'depression' when in reality,its quite rare!!

have you lived with someone like this?

i nearly got killed by my own ex who tried to kill himself many,many times. he was on medication for 'depression' for years,only for it to turn out to be a personality disorder. our littl girl had to dial 999 on her dad. so....stay and damage yourself and dc's? really??

TieYourMotherDown · 15/11/2009 14:51

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Anniegetyourgun · 15/11/2009 16:41

I think if you read most of these threads carefully, most women who have left or are contemplating leaving a mentally disordered partner have been through years of trying to be supportive, nurturing, forgiving, until finally there is nothing left to give, or until the problem reaches an unbearable state.

In my case it took 23 years, but eventually I realised that I was myself becoming mentally ill and absolutely HAD to leave before I killed myself or him (I actually did attack him once - I am not at all proud of that). Basically there was nothing I could do to help him out of it. He would carry on in his private hell whether I was in it with him or not. And I could not leave the children thinking that this was how normal households behave.

It's not a question of whether he "deserves" to be left; I'm pretty sure he can't help most of it, though who really knows where the line is drawn between choice and insanity? But as with an alcoholic, "I did not cause it, I cannot cure it", nor can I live with it. He needs a psychiatric nurse, not a wife. I pity him, but I cannot help him and I will not be dragged down any further by him.

Next question?

Unlikelyamazonian · 15/11/2009 23:55

good post annie. The OP smacks of knowing freak- all about living with a person who has a mental disorder. Especially if you have children with them.

Unlikelyamazonian · 15/11/2009 23:56

Also OP, "please dont think im suggesting that you should always stay in a relationship, regardless or what happens, but i cant help but notice...." erm, you sound bonkers.

colditz · 16/11/2009 00:00

Because most women willput their children first and get them out of a hellish situation, regardless of the actual cause of the hellish situation.

basically, I don't care whether someone is eg wanking on my driveway because he's a pervert, or wanking on my driveway because he's mentally ill, I'm still going to call the police and have him removed because my 3 year old and my 6 year old do not need to see that, regardless of cause.

And although you say I wouldn't leave someone if they were physicallyill, if it was impacting my my children emotionally, socially, psychologically and physically, as domestic violence usually does, we would not be seen for dust.

I have a responsibility to the children I brought into this world, above all others.

cestlavielife · 16/11/2009 00:28

when I read the well-researched chapter Anne Sheffield's depression fallout about the damage that lviing with a depressed parent can do to a child, and how it can be mitigated - i knew it was the right thing to leave him...

when i heard the family therapist week after week say to him: "your depression is your responsibility (to get help for and manage)" - i knew i had done the right thing in leaving him

when i read Lundy Bancroft "why does he do that?" i finally understood that a lot of the issues were not mental health at all but abuse...

which perhaps explains why they didnt section him after he attacked me and our (disabled) son - because in the psychiatric unit he was calm and fine and was no risk to himself.... he was able to control himself when he needed to.

yes I too stayed for years trying to "make him happy"....

there are people who have sudden mental health crisis - a mother with PND, a father with PTSD or stress from a given situaiton.... there are people with long -term mental illness who manage it and seek the help they need. who take themselves off to the psych unit when they need it, call the CPN for help, up the anti-ds...

and there are those who seek to drag down everyone else with them and use the "poor me" excuse to abuse....

my exP was depressed, miserable when we were together - he blamed his depression on our son being disabled, on his job; then on not having a job when he chose to resign.

now, he blames the fact we dont live with him as the reason and tries the "if you only have me back and we were altogether as a family I wont be depressed" line.

at some point, with some people, they will be depressed whether you with them or not.

your "support" makes no difference to their well being.... they just drag you down too.

and when their depresion is slowly eroding your own mental health and well-being of the dcs, it is time to leave.

if you decide to dedicate your life to "caring for"/"suppporting" your mentally ill husband/wife/partner, then it may be at the cost of your children. you need a strong family set up with relatives/friends who can take on the children while you dedicate yourself to your "ill" partner...

such as the time on my daughter's fifth birthday when i spent the whole day with my (now-ex)P - holding his hand at the psychologist appt, taking him to GP, begging him not to self harm any more, wiping up the blood, listening to him crying... while my daughter was packed off to Macdonalds with the baby sitter...frankly, i should have sent the babysitter off with him.

there is always a fine line. it will always depend on the nature of the illness, sudden onset, whether it is combined with controling/abusive behaviour or not...

how easy is it to set the boundaries and how willingly the "ill" person will abide by them.

your adult partner is not your child - unless ill enough to be sectioned they are deemed by NHS as responsible for their own health. and for their own actions. you are fully entitled to say enough is enough.

if they refuse treatment or fail to address or recognize their issues and their behaviour is unliveable with - then there is no choice but to leave. epecially with children involved.

i do believe that living without the shadow of the black dog is the best thing i have done for the dcs. they deserve a nice childhood - it is not their fault their dad is depressed...

is not his fault either - but it is his fault he wont seek the right treatment for it and instead just continues to blame everyone/everything else. now it is text msgs: "no I cannot provide food for the children on my contact time with them: I am depressed dont you know!" oh ok, have you seen the GP?
"no what is the point?"

do not judge til you have been there....

kyotokate · 16/11/2009 10:36

In my case I left my DH 26 years ago because he had mental health problems and spent all his time blaming the rest of the world. He attempted suicide and subsequently died in a house fire ... There was an inquest and the result was an open verdict. He NEVER accepted that his health issues were mental and not physical.

I left for 2 reasons

  1. My DD who was 4 at the time needed protecting.
  2. I knew he would never change (which proved to be totally correct).

OP there is a difference between dealing with DP's with mental and physical health issues.

Why have you not come back to defend your view?

Anniegetyourgun · 17/11/2009 13:23

...and he/she never did. How disappointing. (Wonder if it was Wallace?)

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