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DP "in love" with someone else. But I still love him.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 24/10/2009 19:19

Some of you will recognise me.

Turns out DP wants more from the neighbour than he can have. There is nothing going on and probably never will.

He is "infatuated" with her. If she asked him to run away and start a new life (which she won't) there is a good chance he would leave me and go.

All his words. He is now trying to decide if he can put up with me "second best".

I love him. I don't want to/can't let him go. But it doesn't look good.

I want him to concentrate on US. But he seems to be focussing on whether he has a chance with her.

Feeling awful. I will accept being second best - IF he can move on. It doesn't look as though he can.

I think he is going to throw away his family for something he will never get.

I think he is going through a Midlife crisis and will regret his decision when he comes through it...but I don't see what I can do to stop it.

Feeling exceedingly

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AuraofDora · 24/10/2009 22:03

no one can ever stop you loving this git but you could try to gain some R E S P E C T for yourself and your kids

love aretha & me

i do feel for you but youare enabling, like your mother did kick him to the kerb, girlfriend

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thesunshinesbrightly · 24/10/2009 23:01

This is a joke thread? right?

You can't be serious OP?

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dittany · 24/10/2009 23:09

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MadameDuBain · 25/10/2009 07:31

What about relate? You could go on your own and discuss these matters including your own childhood - it might really help you come to a decision.

His behaviour is way out of order and you do need to send him a message that you're not standing for it - even if it is just separate beds.

Also have you got RL friends or family who can support you? An evening spent with someone who you can tell all to and have a laugh and cry with would give you a break from this intensity.

Btw I do think the mid-life-crisis exists, as I have seen it so many times and not just in men. It shouldn't be used as an excuse though, it's still unacceptable behaviour.

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Callisto · 25/10/2009 08:50

So he tells you that he wants to shag the neighbour and that he isn't sure if he wants to be with you because he will see you as second-best. He then goes out for the evening with the neighbour, comes home battered after (presumably) having a great night out, and then sleeps in his own bed. Why are you allowing yourself to be walked all over in this way? Do you have even one shred of self-respect? And what sort of lesson are you giving your children by allowing yourself to be treated like a human doormat?

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Earthstar · 25/10/2009 09:53

Please tell us how it would be for you and the kids if you told him to go and never return.

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Anifrangapani · 25/10/2009 10:02

It is a recoverable position, but you need to stand up for yourself in all this. At the moment you are letting him indulge in his teenage fantasy life.

Don't settle for being "second best". It will do you no good in the long run. If the relationship and his behaviour remain a fantasy with no consequences for him or your family he will have no incentive to change. At the moment allowing him to go out socially with your neighbour while you wait dutifully for him at home sends him the message that his fantasy is harmless. You know that it is not the case, as it is damaging you and your family. Tell him and better still show him that is causing a great amount of damage.

Get a plan together - talk to relate, solicitor, mortgage co/ landlord, tax credit peeps. Show him what you have done and explain to him what the options are. Either he knocks it on the head or he loses his family over a silly daydream that will not go anywhere (although don't underestimate the seduction of someone finding you attractive).

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MojoLost · 25/10/2009 10:08

I really admire your commitment to your kids and family. And I agree with you, he is going through a stupid mid life crisis. It will pass, and he will realise what a stupid mistake he was going to make.
I'd rather fight to keep my family together than give up so easily.
Good luck. you sound like a very strong person.

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junglist1 · 25/10/2009 10:10

He's got a fucking nerve.
I agree with everyone else. I know it's hard from a similar experience but if you don't respect yourself nobody will. What he's doing and saying is emotional abuse disguised as a "mid life crisis" which is the excuse men use to behave like selfish evil bastards IMO. You're not cooking and washing for him are you? If you are, stop. Don't let him have his cake and eat it.

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gonnabehappy · 25/10/2009 10:21

I think that Mid life crisis is real, and often accompanied by a hefty dose of depression. I am 'second best' and it is hard comparing myself with this woman who was 'the love of his life etc', really hard.
But gradually we are becoming closer - we are certainly back to being very good friends with a strong bond of affection and I still have hope that the 'in love' feeling will return. in the meantime the boys are much much happier having their dad at home.

I think what I am clumsily trying to say is that it just might be worth it for you to keep going with the marriage...but it is hard so you need to muster up as much help as possible over the next few months/years. There is a midlife crisis forum (American based but with lots of international participants). The over whelming message is to take care of yourself. I have found some of the stories on there useful and overall the emphasis is more on maintaining partnerships than ditching when trouble arrives. There are some strong women there - might be worth a browse while you are thinking....

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SolidGhoulBrass · 25/10/2009 12:01

Were you always this desperate for him to love you? I mean, did the relationship start with you clutching him and bleating that you'd do anything if he'd only let you call him your partner? Because if that's the case, you really, really need to separate from him now. because he never is going to 'love' you, he's going to carry on expecting his dinner cooked and his clothes washed and his kids reared while he wafts off shagging other women and moaning about his emotional turmoil. For your own sake, for your own sanity, as well as for your DC's sake, get out of this relationship which is never going to do you any good.

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gonnabehappy · 25/10/2009 12:43

Solid - good point. When I married I was the attractive one, the prize! Now our roles have reversed (it is so unfair that men's bodies do not suffer from childbirth and that middle aged men can be sooo attractive!). Very gradully my self confidence dripped away (not have a carreer for years contributed). I am trying very hard to take care of myself en route to trying have have a good marriage. OP sounds as though her confidence might be low - is this a recent thing?

Have just read through this - maybe I would be having a mid life crisis if I had the time! there is something inherently selfish, ideed egostical , about this.

I just wanted to present a different point of view to the leave him now crew! Not that I think that is poor advice...far from it!

I am not keen on the concepts of interdependence, detachment etc preached by pop psychologists but cliches are often chicles because there is a grain of 'truth' to them. Do you think considering this would help you make a decision to stay or go, and in either case how you will take care of yourself?

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KiwiKat · 25/10/2009 12:57

I agree with Angifrangipani. He's been taking you for granted, which has obscured your value, and he needs to realise what value there is in the relationship. Tell him second best isn't good enough, so he should move out now to give him some thinking time, then make a decision to either commit himself to you properly, or move on and stop wasting your time. He has to miss, need and want you, otherwise he'll never know what he's throwing away, so don't make it too easy for him. It won't be easy, but it will help clarify things for you both.

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anonymous85 · 25/10/2009 13:54

This is going to be a big "no no" to say this. But if you want to try and win him back for you and the children leave him. Take charge of your own life, get into hobbies and find yourself again, get some esteem back, get your hair done, loose some weight if you need too - but do it all for you. There is a chance he will see that and want you back then... In the mean time if you are hanging around craving him back being miserable with no self worth he wont want a bar of you - it is not attractive. And if you do get the balls to leave and take charge of your life - if he does come back sorry and crawling back - HOPEFULLY you then wont want him for all the hell he's put you through and not loving you for you. Is he doesn't still want you, you know what, you will find someone else who does.

I couldn't stand living like that. Be pure misery. Leave and make a life for yourself. You will indeed be happy, so will the kids.

There is no good in hanging around trying to stop him and trying to change his mind - cause I can tell you now it wont work, nothing will change what he's feeling atm. He needs to get it out of his system. No matter how much you try and keep him it wont work. Let him go.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 25/10/2009 13:58

Will have a proper read through later when I have more time.

I should make a couple of things clear.

I do not (strictly speaking) do his washing and cooking. They are both shared tasks...him doing 70% of both.
He is the primary carer for our DCs and house - although we both work part time. I am the primary wage earner....and would cope very well financially on my own - so that is not an issue in the slightest.
He missed me in bed last night (but not in that way)...which I guess is s start to what those that are "supporting" my current position are saying. I am going to see if I can get a few nights away...but it won't be the complete cut of ties for the duration that it probably needs.

Also to make it clear - I could have gone with him last night (whether I would have been welcome is another matter). It was a neighbourhood social event. But because of all the crap above - funnily enough I didn't feel like being sociable, certainly not with him (or her).

You have all given me lots to think about. I am sure there will be another installment soon.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 25/10/2009 14:01

Also...it was him that did the chasing in teh early days

It just feels like a mess and to be perfectly honest (from where I am sitting) it doesn't feel as if any answer is the right answer.

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dittany · 25/10/2009 14:11

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Twintummy · 25/10/2009 14:15

Therapy! You self-esteem must be rock bottom to accept this.

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ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 25/10/2009 20:45

He's not exactly trying hard to move on from her and take care of your feelings is he? Going out drinking with her?
Midlife crisis - Snort. Since when was that a diagnosable mental health disorder? It's a fucking excuse to act like a spoilt entitled teenager and poor you are having to take it because you love him.
It's going to take effort but you really need to kick him out, or at least kick him to a separate bedroom. Could he stay nearby so he can still look after the children? He has earnt this treatment through his selfishness and needs to see what he's missing before things can move on.
I'd also be tempted to tell the neighbour about his pathetic crush to give her a heads up - she may not want to socialise with him so much if she knew he was obsessed with her and prepared to leave his family for her

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abedelia · 25/10/2009 23:04

Hmmm. I also would not be keen on living in limbo like you are now. Your mental health will really suffer... I know (because of how I am - can't stand any uncertainty) that I'd tell the neighbour.

Either she'll be completely repulsed and blow him of, or they'll have their crappy affair and you will know where you stand - as will he. To me, either is better than where you are now. You are only second best because in his imagination he has made her out to be perfect, which she isn't.

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Mumfun · 26/10/2009 09:46

I am in similar but worse situation because H has (re)started affair with OW.

Its very hard to leave. There has been good advice with regard to looking after yourself and building your own life - you must do that. I do think it is hard for you to break up your family for no real reason that you can see - he is having an emotional affair in his head - but she is not involved with him (yet sorry).

I am on a useful US site - www.midlifecrisisforum.com where there are lots of Uk folk. It would help you to go on there and read the newbie stuff.

People on here may say there is no such thing as mid life crisis. But there definitely is a midlife passage - where everyone realises they are getting older etc, feel their responsibilities -and some people dont go through their midlife passage well - often there is a dose of depression too -or the illnesss, death of a loved one and it all becomes too much and a man/woman who often previosuly was a great spouse goes off the rails. THey drink, womanise, buy fast cars, spend a lot - a combo of these or one of them to try to make themselves feel better, younger.

So sorry your going through this -get as much support as you can - I would be very careful who you tell - but you must get support if only from a counsellor -you will find it hard to do alone. Take care of yourself!

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abedelia · 26/10/2009 10:20

At the end of the day, although you love him, you need to love yourself more. Putting up with this treatment and doing nothing about it is torture. Believe me, if or when you do try and make a go of it with him again, the longer he treats you like crap the harder it will be to forgive him. You will always dwell on how he could have said things like that to you because you never deserved it.

Ask any woman who has tried to rebuild after an affair, and I'm sure you will find that no matter how hard their partner tries to make it better, they will agree that the fact they were treated like dirt during the fling is the hardest thing to live with and causes most resentment. The fact that things like 'second best' have been said do not fade from memory. At the moment I'm sure you think you'd have him back on any terms, but the reality is far different, hard as it may be to see at present.

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MadameDuBain · 26/10/2009 10:30

I also think his behaviour towards you is extremely bad and may indicate some kind of MLC-type resentment he has about being tied down. It's not unheard of to develop feelings for someone else but there are sensitive ways of handling it and less sensitive ones. Rubbing your face in it, spending evenings out in her company and calling you "second best" is twisting the knife.

Why does he feel the need to do that? I'd ask him. He may want you to stand up strong and kick him out because he's too weak to do that. I don't mean you should do that just because he wants it, but I think if you just accept his assessment at face value you're going along with the self-delusions and idiocy of someone who's in no fit state to be honest with themselves.

Think about you and what you need to come out of this feeling better, because I don't think it's hanging around like a kicked puppy hoping that being second best will be good enough for him. You are worth more than that.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 26/10/2009 11:17

OP - First of all, I'm really sorry that you're going through this. However tough the advice is on here, it's also given from a compassionate viewpoint. It might seem like madness to you to ask him to leave when he hasn't actually done anything yet, but what you're basically describing is that he has fallen in love with someone else - and this is in fact far more dangerous than a lot of affairs.

I was around when you first posted your suspicions about this and urged you to get to the bottom of it. Our instincts about these things are very rarely wrong are they? Please don't blame yourself for opening up the can of worms - not speaking when you did would have just delayed this.

Because I remember your earlier thread, I also remember that the neighbour is in fact his best mate's DW - and that makes this even more problematical. I would think it impossible that she doesn't know how he feels and from your earlier stuff, it sounded to me as though she wasn't discouraging it. You must know her though and it could be you're right that he would have no chance with her - but that doesn't necessarily mean that she hasn't been giving out the opposite signals - some people get quite a kick out of getting people to fall in love with them.

From what I also remember, you've also got some past history of him and affairs, albeit a long time ago, so this further complicates the issue.

I understand completely your desire to keep the family intact and as a general point, hate the thought of children being messed around with parents leaving, coming back, then leaving again. I also understand that it is not that simple for you, as he is their primary carer. In an ideal world, I think it would be the best thing ever if you could tell him to leave. Taking control in these situations is very often the wake-up call people like your P need when they are behaving like lovesick teenagers, even more so when it is all just in their heads. But I do understand that for what ever reason, you can't do that - and so we must help you in the short term.

As a minimum, you do need re-invent yourself and for your own shattered self-esteem, you need to act far tougher than you may feel. You don't need us to tell you that acting like a doormat and a victim is unattractive - so you need to change your response to this.

Can you talk to her husband about this - after all, he's presumably your friend as well? Chances are, he's spotted what you have - even if he's tried to bury it somewhere. I'm sure he's not comfortable about this either, especially as they seem to get together when both you and he are at work. That might seem like a betrayal of your P, but tough measures are needed here.

Secondly, can you tell your P that he is staying because it suits you at the moment, with childcare etc. but that you have decided that until you can come to a workable arrangement where you can live separately, the relationship with him is OVER. That you will actively explore your own other options and will start living your life more independently. Since he appears to think nothing of going out and getting drunk without you, I want you to start booking some nights out of your own. Even if you have nothing in mind, I would even go out on my own if necessary - and tell him you went out with a crowd from work.

These small changes are manageable and allow you to regain some dignity and esteem without rocking the family boat - I sense with you that small steps are all you can manage at the moment.

Get some control back and you will soon get that self-esteem back. I'd love you to get to the point when you wake up and say "I'm worth more than this!" and finally gain the courage to bin this silly, cruel selfish man for good, but baby steps now....

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MorrisZapp · 26/10/2009 11:55

Voice of dissent here. Your DH is acting like a twat just now but there's a good chance he can be jolted outed of this reverie by some judicious and sharp tactics on your part.

All he needs is some real life proof of what life would be like without you, and he'll almost certainly realise that in fact you are the best, not the neighbour or any other fantasy.

You have to find the strength to make him live on his own somehow, and convince him that you mean it, but there is nothing in what you wrote that says to me that this marriage is ultimately unsalvageable.

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