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DP "in love" with someone else. But I still love him.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 24/10/2009 19:19

Some of you will recognise me.

Turns out DP wants more from the neighbour than he can have. There is nothing going on and probably never will.

He is "infatuated" with her. If she asked him to run away and start a new life (which she won't) there is a good chance he would leave me and go.

All his words. He is now trying to decide if he can put up with me "second best".

I love him. I don't want to/can't let him go. But it doesn't look good.

I want him to concentrate on US. But he seems to be focussing on whether he has a chance with her.

Feeling awful. I will accept being second best - IF he can move on. It doesn't look as though he can.

I think he is going to throw away his family for something he will never get.

I think he is going through a Midlife crisis and will regret his decision when he comes through it...but I don't see what I can do to stop it.

Feeling exceedingly

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Leslaki · 26/10/2009 22:29

You go girl!!! Your life will be so much better without him - his won't!!! If you're in Northants I can recommend a fantastic ball breker of a lawyer if you need one - everyone is very impressed with my settlement but it was hard fought for for my kids!!! You need to look out for you and DC now. Well done and good luck!! You're freeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

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Alibooobaandthe40phantoms · 26/10/2009 20:37

I got really angry with you and for you reading the first couple of pages of this thread, now I have a smile on my face.

You hold all the cards here.

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MadameDuBain · 26/10/2009 20:21

ThisBoy, it's great that you have had this lightbulb moment / flicked switch - that is 90% of the battle, it really is.

It doesn't mean you won't have feelings for him, but you know, you're still going to see him and interact with him and talk. You can go through with this and still be friendly and warm to each other. If you keep up your strength and your support network and your no-shit attitude, it will only make him see what he's missing and ultimately you may be the one in a position to make a choice. I do think this is the route that will make things easiest for you.

Good luck and I know you will be able to get support here.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 26/10/2009 20:10

Thanks abedelia. I know how I can build bridges with here.

Has been a strange atmosphere here tonight...he has been rather compasionate...rather relaxed...rather talkative. I think we have talked more tonight (in terms of idol chit chat) than we have in the last week. I hope he doesn't think he is worming his way back in now that he has destroyed the relationship they had on whatever level. He started burning his bridges last night....

I must be strong.
I must resist the temptation.
MN must help me keep sight of that light....

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Tortington · 26/10/2009 19:58

oh wow - you go girl screw him over big time!

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PfftTheMagicDragon · 26/10/2009 19:55

I think that you just need to accept that if this marriage comes to an end, there is a chance that you might still love him when he leaves. Saying that you can't leave because you still love him is a distraction. Partly because your love for him is not all important and also because it will probably be the last emotion you hang on to, you could have been separated for a while and still love him, doesn't mean the relationship was worth staying for.

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abedelia · 26/10/2009 19:35

Just to clarify - I meant by making peace that you should have a word with her so you are friends. The poor woman was obviously horrified and probably feels very awkward around you. T'would be nice to stay friends with your neighbour, particularly if you are going to kick him out.

By the fact that he has been making your life miserable to shift blame for leaving from himself to you, he is clearly spineless as well as sad and deluded. Once the mist clears he will probably be kicking himself for being such a tw*t.

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clam · 26/10/2009 19:02

OK, well I'm going to paint a daft analogy.
You know on 'Who wants to be a millionaire?' the contestants get to see the next question before they decide whether they're going to risk what they already have on answering it?
If they know for certain that the price is high, they are unlikely to risk what they have.

So, tell him. Make it VERY clear to your DP that if he chooses to jeopardise your relationship, then you are in control of what happens next, which includes his contact with the DCs, where he lives and how much money is left over for him. Oh, and that if he goes, that's IT for you two as a couple. There will be no second chances.
Whilst he knows that you will be there waiting for him when if it all goes tits up, then there's no incentive for him to treat you with any respect.

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dittany · 26/10/2009 18:06

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nanafantastic · 26/10/2009 17:58

You know, I read this with a sinking feeling, knowing in my heart what he was up to. My DP did it to me, basically pushing me to make the decision because he was too much of a coward.

Well I kicked him out and spent months and months beating myself up for kicking him out. Then one day I realised I felt better.

I felt a huge weight lift off my shoulders and realised that I'd been walking on eggshells for ages and now I no longer had to.

What a relief, although it took all that heartache to realise that my self-esteem was so important to my whole sense of well-being.

Sending you hugs and support - you can do it, and as someone else says - take baby steps and you'll wake up one day feeling so much better.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 26/10/2009 17:56

TBH I don't really have an issue with her as I don't actually think she has done anything wrong cos it is all in his head.

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abedelia · 26/10/2009 17:41

Might be worth your while making peace with the neighbour yourself - at least then you can tell her he is being an arse. What would really burst his bubble is getting her on YOUR side... good luck, glad you are feeling stronger.

It will be much easier when you don't have to see him constantly.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 26/10/2009 17:10

Thanks guys for all of the messages. And whenWill I you remembered everything spot on.

I think that switch in my head flciked last night.

He has all but admitted that he has been pushing me to push him out because he doesn't want to make the decision himself (which is where I was a couple of weeks ago).

I have been to CAB today...will try and sort out mortgage advice by the end of the week.

What I am finding quite ammusing is that he went through all of his plans last night. His financial ones are all way off in terms of how much capital he will walk away with and how much mortage he can get etc. So that bubble will burst soon.

Oh and BTW apparently - in his paraletic state on Saturday - he has seriously seriously upset the neighbour to the point where she barely passed the time of day onthe school run this morning. So that bubble has been burst. All in all I have been walking round with a huge on my face today....who knows what will happen when ADs kick in in a couple of weeks and I become emotionally stronger than ever .

Anyway thankyou for all of your support and wise words....I will be counting on some MN support over the next few months no doubt.

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MorrisZapp · 26/10/2009 11:55

Voice of dissent here. Your DH is acting like a twat just now but there's a good chance he can be jolted outed of this reverie by some judicious and sharp tactics on your part.

All he needs is some real life proof of what life would be like without you, and he'll almost certainly realise that in fact you are the best, not the neighbour or any other fantasy.

You have to find the strength to make him live on his own somehow, and convince him that you mean it, but there is nothing in what you wrote that says to me that this marriage is ultimately unsalvageable.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 26/10/2009 11:17

OP - First of all, I'm really sorry that you're going through this. However tough the advice is on here, it's also given from a compassionate viewpoint. It might seem like madness to you to ask him to leave when he hasn't actually done anything yet, but what you're basically describing is that he has fallen in love with someone else - and this is in fact far more dangerous than a lot of affairs.

I was around when you first posted your suspicions about this and urged you to get to the bottom of it. Our instincts about these things are very rarely wrong are they? Please don't blame yourself for opening up the can of worms - not speaking when you did would have just delayed this.

Because I remember your earlier thread, I also remember that the neighbour is in fact his best mate's DW - and that makes this even more problematical. I would think it impossible that she doesn't know how he feels and from your earlier stuff, it sounded to me as though she wasn't discouraging it. You must know her though and it could be you're right that he would have no chance with her - but that doesn't necessarily mean that she hasn't been giving out the opposite signals - some people get quite a kick out of getting people to fall in love with them.

From what I also remember, you've also got some past history of him and affairs, albeit a long time ago, so this further complicates the issue.

I understand completely your desire to keep the family intact and as a general point, hate the thought of children being messed around with parents leaving, coming back, then leaving again. I also understand that it is not that simple for you, as he is their primary carer. In an ideal world, I think it would be the best thing ever if you could tell him to leave. Taking control in these situations is very often the wake-up call people like your P need when they are behaving like lovesick teenagers, even more so when it is all just in their heads. But I do understand that for what ever reason, you can't do that - and so we must help you in the short term.

As a minimum, you do need re-invent yourself and for your own shattered self-esteem, you need to act far tougher than you may feel. You don't need us to tell you that acting like a doormat and a victim is unattractive - so you need to change your response to this.

Can you talk to her husband about this - after all, he's presumably your friend as well? Chances are, he's spotted what you have - even if he's tried to bury it somewhere. I'm sure he's not comfortable about this either, especially as they seem to get together when both you and he are at work. That might seem like a betrayal of your P, but tough measures are needed here.

Secondly, can you tell your P that he is staying because it suits you at the moment, with childcare etc. but that you have decided that until you can come to a workable arrangement where you can live separately, the relationship with him is OVER. That you will actively explore your own other options and will start living your life more independently. Since he appears to think nothing of going out and getting drunk without you, I want you to start booking some nights out of your own. Even if you have nothing in mind, I would even go out on my own if necessary - and tell him you went out with a crowd from work.

These small changes are manageable and allow you to regain some dignity and esteem without rocking the family boat - I sense with you that small steps are all you can manage at the moment.

Get some control back and you will soon get that self-esteem back. I'd love you to get to the point when you wake up and say "I'm worth more than this!" and finally gain the courage to bin this silly, cruel selfish man for good, but baby steps now....

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MadameDuBain · 26/10/2009 10:30

I also think his behaviour towards you is extremely bad and may indicate some kind of MLC-type resentment he has about being tied down. It's not unheard of to develop feelings for someone else but there are sensitive ways of handling it and less sensitive ones. Rubbing your face in it, spending evenings out in her company and calling you "second best" is twisting the knife.

Why does he feel the need to do that? I'd ask him. He may want you to stand up strong and kick him out because he's too weak to do that. I don't mean you should do that just because he wants it, but I think if you just accept his assessment at face value you're going along with the self-delusions and idiocy of someone who's in no fit state to be honest with themselves.

Think about you and what you need to come out of this feeling better, because I don't think it's hanging around like a kicked puppy hoping that being second best will be good enough for him. You are worth more than that.

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abedelia · 26/10/2009 10:20

At the end of the day, although you love him, you need to love yourself more. Putting up with this treatment and doing nothing about it is torture. Believe me, if or when you do try and make a go of it with him again, the longer he treats you like crap the harder it will be to forgive him. You will always dwell on how he could have said things like that to you because you never deserved it.

Ask any woman who has tried to rebuild after an affair, and I'm sure you will find that no matter how hard their partner tries to make it better, they will agree that the fact they were treated like dirt during the fling is the hardest thing to live with and causes most resentment. The fact that things like 'second best' have been said do not fade from memory. At the moment I'm sure you think you'd have him back on any terms, but the reality is far different, hard as it may be to see at present.

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Mumfun · 26/10/2009 09:46

I am in similar but worse situation because H has (re)started affair with OW.

Its very hard to leave. There has been good advice with regard to looking after yourself and building your own life - you must do that. I do think it is hard for you to break up your family for no real reason that you can see - he is having an emotional affair in his head - but she is not involved with him (yet sorry).

I am on a useful US site - www.midlifecrisisforum.com where there are lots of Uk folk. It would help you to go on there and read the newbie stuff.

People on here may say there is no such thing as mid life crisis. But there definitely is a midlife passage - where everyone realises they are getting older etc, feel their responsibilities -and some people dont go through their midlife passage well - often there is a dose of depression too -or the illnesss, death of a loved one and it all becomes too much and a man/woman who often previosuly was a great spouse goes off the rails. THey drink, womanise, buy fast cars, spend a lot - a combo of these or one of them to try to make themselves feel better, younger.

So sorry your going through this -get as much support as you can - I would be very careful who you tell - but you must get support if only from a counsellor -you will find it hard to do alone. Take care of yourself!

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abedelia · 25/10/2009 23:04

Hmmm. I also would not be keen on living in limbo like you are now. Your mental health will really suffer... I know (because of how I am - can't stand any uncertainty) that I'd tell the neighbour.

Either she'll be completely repulsed and blow him of, or they'll have their crappy affair and you will know where you stand - as will he. To me, either is better than where you are now. You are only second best because in his imagination he has made her out to be perfect, which she isn't.

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ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 25/10/2009 20:45

He's not exactly trying hard to move on from her and take care of your feelings is he? Going out drinking with her?
Midlife crisis - Snort. Since when was that a diagnosable mental health disorder? It's a fucking excuse to act like a spoilt entitled teenager and poor you are having to take it because you love him.
It's going to take effort but you really need to kick him out, or at least kick him to a separate bedroom. Could he stay nearby so he can still look after the children? He has earnt this treatment through his selfishness and needs to see what he's missing before things can move on.
I'd also be tempted to tell the neighbour about his pathetic crush to give her a heads up - she may not want to socialise with him so much if she knew he was obsessed with her and prepared to leave his family for her

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Twintummy · 25/10/2009 14:15

Therapy! You self-esteem must be rock bottom to accept this.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 25/10/2009 14:01

Also...it was him that did the chasing in teh early days

It just feels like a mess and to be perfectly honest (from where I am sitting) it doesn't feel as if any answer is the right answer.

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ThisBoyDraculaDrew · 25/10/2009 13:58

Will have a proper read through later when I have more time.

I should make a couple of things clear.

I do not (strictly speaking) do his washing and cooking. They are both shared tasks...him doing 70% of both.
He is the primary carer for our DCs and house - although we both work part time. I am the primary wage earner....and would cope very well financially on my own - so that is not an issue in the slightest.
He missed me in bed last night (but not in that way)...which I guess is s start to what those that are "supporting" my current position are saying. I am going to see if I can get a few nights away...but it won't be the complete cut of ties for the duration that it probably needs.

Also to make it clear - I could have gone with him last night (whether I would have been welcome is another matter). It was a neighbourhood social event. But because of all the crap above - funnily enough I didn't feel like being sociable, certainly not with him (or her).

You have all given me lots to think about. I am sure there will be another installment soon.

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anonymous85 · 25/10/2009 13:54

This is going to be a big "no no" to say this. But if you want to try and win him back for you and the children leave him. Take charge of your own life, get into hobbies and find yourself again, get some esteem back, get your hair done, loose some weight if you need too - but do it all for you. There is a chance he will see that and want you back then... In the mean time if you are hanging around craving him back being miserable with no self worth he wont want a bar of you - it is not attractive. And if you do get the balls to leave and take charge of your life - if he does come back sorry and crawling back - HOPEFULLY you then wont want him for all the hell he's put you through and not loving you for you. Is he doesn't still want you, you know what, you will find someone else who does.

I couldn't stand living like that. Be pure misery. Leave and make a life for yourself. You will indeed be happy, so will the kids.

There is no good in hanging around trying to stop him and trying to change his mind - cause I can tell you now it wont work, nothing will change what he's feeling atm. He needs to get it out of his system. No matter how much you try and keep him it wont work. Let him go.

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