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I need advice on parents again - sorry to be moaning and just to warn you it is long

52 replies

TheArmadillo · 21/10/2009 19:05

I am thinking of taking a break from my parents for a bit. There are some things that are really bugging me atm - that I can't get past and I need a break.

Some seem really petty but some are bigger but they all seem to affect me the same.

When I was a child every week my parents would buy a family treat. Every bloody week it was lemon merangue (sp?) pie. I hate the stuff so much. At first they used to buy me something else but then they stopped. It was my fault for not likeing what everyone else did. I was deliberately excluding myself from the nice thing they had done. They did this on other stuff but this always sticks out. It seems so petty but really hurt. I always felt like the odd one out and this just highlighted it. And I didn't do it deliberately.

Their house also always was and always is cold - and I meaning freezing. If I go to visit them it takes about 24 hours for me to warm up properly afterwards. When I was a child/teen I didn't sleep because I was so cold. I had electric blanket/hot water bottle/several layers of clothes and all the blankets I could find. In the morning I would have to get up adn take shower. My mum refuses tohave the water more than about luke warm so I would get even colder. The radiator in my room didn't work (though it wouldn't have made much difference) but I was too scared to tell them. I thought it was a psychological thing but ds also freezes there (and he is never cold). It wouldn't have bothered me if they couldn't afford it but they could. My overriding memory of my teenage years is being freezing cold all the time. I had constant chest infections (and am asthmatic) and a frozen neck that still cause me problems.

I had a lot of issues as a child. At senior school I used to have constant panic attacks and be sent home. My parents never bothered to find out why - it was just me being oversensitive and difficult. I used to self harm (cutting) and take overdoses of painkillers but I was just told to stop on one occassion when my mum found out and that 'no daughter of mine is depressed' (dr diagnosed me with depression at 9yo but my mum walked out and changed surgeries). I wouldn't drink liquids (I survived on half a glass of water in an evening) for a couple of years and had problems because i was really dehydrated. I gave up talking for a year (when I was about 11) and my mum never told me till afterwards and how difficult it was for her. I had loads of other issues as well (not wanting to leave house/see anyone/refusing to go to school). None of which was commented on apart from that I was difficult.

When I did finally have counselling at 16 (6 sessions and didn't get on with therapist so no good) I was too terrified to tell my mum and lied as to where I was going.

My mum always told me I was the clever one and my sister was the pretty one who people liked. When she was being really horrible to me about a year ago no matter what I said she would not believe I had any friends. Because (I believe) she can't see anyone wanting to be friends with me. She sees me as very antisocial/introverted and having a strange sense of humour that no one can understand. I do have friends (brilliant supportive ones) though I am shy. I was/am also spiteful, sharp tongued and I scare people so no one wants to talk to me. Anytime I say anything she tells me to stop shouting and being so nasty but won't let me know what I have done. So I don't know what I am doing wrong.

She has rewritten my childhood so now I was the difficult one (my sister has lots of probs and was uncontrollable - previously I was the good one) - I was oversensitive, clingy, antisocial and boring apparently.

I am terrified with everyone that I will say/do the wrong thing without meaning to and they will punish me/cut me off. I have nightmares that my fantastic MIL who I rely on does this to me because I've done something and I don't know what it is. I am used to people suddenly turning and yelling screaming at me for no reason I can understand. I told my aunt once (came up in conversation) that me and my sis weren't that close (we can't stand each other) and my mum tore me to pieces after. I didn't know I wasn't supposed to say it sad

I am also fed up with being blamed for my sister's behaviour. When I was a child if ever I complained of her being mean or hitting me it was my fault for teaching her the behaviour in the first place so I had no right to complain. BUT WHO TAUGHT ME angry It's still always my fault if we disagree. I have to walk around eggshells around sis who explodes if she thinks you might be criticising her. And then my mum wonders why we are constantly jealous of each other. And why we have always screamed at each other at full volume when it's all my parents ever did. It was mortifying in public. I hated it so much and still do.

I have never been forgiven for anything I did as a child. It is constantly brought up as evidence of my failings.

I lived with them for 9 months when ds was born. My mum convinced the midwife that I was going to be such a crap mother that the midwife did extra visits till she realised I was coping. My HV used to check everything with my mum before she carried out stuff. My mum tells me I am a terrible parent who is destroying my sons life.

But mum believes my sister is brilliant with kids despite any evidence to the contrary. Sis did horrible things when ds was tiny. The worst being that I used to beg mum that I would call in sick to work when I first went back after ds if she couldn't look after ds herself. But she would promise me she would. Then I would get home and find that sis was looking after him and that she was watching telly in the dark and ds was on the other side of the room screaming his head off while she ignored him. I had no idea how long she had left him like that.

They also treat dp (my partner of 10 years) as no more than a sperm donor. They laugh at him and make fun of him. I hate it. I pull them up on it and it has got better but they just completely disregard him as if he doesn't exist.

I see them once a week atm with ds (5yo). I want to stop this as whatever I do it isn't enough until I leave dp and take ds to live with them (aparently i can carry on 'seeing' dp if I like hmm). They spend the entire visit ignoring me and going into another room with ds or the short amount of time they do spend with me is spent complaining how they don't see enough of me and ds and how unfair it is me keeping ds from them. Now I tend to visit them on the same day it is set in stone and they hang up on me or sulk if I don't go (cos I'm ill/have other arrangements) - nothing is a good enough reason. My mum's phone calls are building up again so she phones me every couple of days to complain how she hasn't seen me (that's all she talks about) to the point where i hate answering the phone again.

They have no idea what kind of person I really am or what my interests/likes are - even down to the kind of foods I dislike (ones I have never eaten). It's like I am not real to them almost.

I want a break for a while. If I give them a one weekly visit then they are not satisfied until I see them daily and ds stays overnight (which I am not happy to do as last time they had him unsupervised we had problems getting him back off them again). They are convinced I am a shit parent and want him around to sort of 'save' him I think - to make sure he is looked after properly (in their opinion). I can't be dealing with this anymore. We moved house to be further away from them and so they couldn't control us as much but it is all creeping back.

But I don't know how to tell them I need a break.

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FanofFireworks · 03/11/2009 01:15

Armadillo, they don't have to agree.... you are an adult now and are in control of your own life, your DS's life and can control who you see, when you see them and what you do on the visits.

Keep repeating that - I am an adult. I am in control.

wheredidmyoldlifego · 03/11/2009 01:25

TheArmadillo - well done for mailing the letter to your parents and I hope you feel stronger for having done so. You've taken the first step to taking control and that's fantastic. Just wanted to let you know that's how I felt and wish you the best.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/11/2009 07:43

TheArmadillo

You have taken both a big and brave step here by writing to them. I hope you are and remain strong.

I would not be discussing anything further with them at all let alone after three months. You need to disown them completely. These people are too damaged themselves to have any sort of relationship with and they will quite happily continue to pull you down with them. These toxic, maladjusted and personality disordered people will haunt you for the rest of your days if you allow them to, time for you to take control back.

Be prepared now for your parents to go fully all out on the defensive, attack you verbally by giving you a laundry list of your own supposed shortcomings and deny and deny everything you've written. You may not on the other hand get any response from them. You will never get an apology or admission of anything from them.

Also if you have not had any individual counselling to date I would suggest that you look into this. It could be invaluable to you. Counsellors are like shoes, you need to find someone that fits. BACP have a list of counsellors and they do not charge the earth.

If you haven;t already read the "Stately Homes" thread on these pages I would suggest you look at this as well.

maxybrown · 03/11/2009 08:02

Armadillo, it is mental abuse. Well done on taking that step. It is all too typical of the abused child who keeps going back to their parents for more

Surround yourself with people who help you to feel good. Life is too short, and it seems that they will say whatever they want about you no matter what you do, so you may as well be happy in what you DO decide to do.

You are an adult, you do not have to justify yourself to them. If you are feeling so desperately unhappy with them in your life, then this will be no good for your DS either if his Mum is unhappy. Give your son the life you would have wanted and stuff them! Just because we are related to someone does not mean we have to like them, though appreciate it may be harder when it is "your parents"

Ypur post made me feel sad but also very very grateful for my family, make your son proud of his parents and strat your life over.

Hope you are ok

Buda · 03/11/2009 08:17

Well done. I remember reading another thread from you.

I think you are totally doing the right thing.

TheArmadillo · 03/11/2009 16:05

Thanks for the messages.

well according to royal mail website letter has been delivered.

Just wait and see now.

Spoke to ds teacher who said they will not let ds go to anyone they don't recognise unless they have permission from me/dp beforehand.

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PerArduaAdAstra · 04/11/2009 14:20

Good. And they won't recognise your 'parents'? Are you feeling better now, or just a bit butterfly-ey until you know how they're going to react? Just remember - it's not your problem - it's theirs. And you don't have to be bullied into anything you don't want, from any of your family.

Good luck

CarGirl · 04/11/2009 14:29

I hope this is a big step forward to you.

Every time I see you around on the board I wonder how things are with your nutty parents!

TheArmadillo · 04/11/2009 14:33

Yeah the school won't recognise my parents so that's all good.

Am feeling odd at the moment. I am stuck at home ill - though managed to get up to the school yesterday.

No response apart from another card for ds - though not sure whether sent before or after they read the letter.

Not sure how to feel as have had no reaction yet from them. dp warned me not to get upset if they didn't contact me - I told him he was being silly as that's what I wanted. Now feeling a bit upset that they haven't contacted me I'm an idiot.

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TheArmadillo · 04/11/2009 14:33

Thanks cargirl - I think you have been on everyone of my threads and have been really helpful and supportive. Thanks

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CarGirl · 04/11/2009 14:35

I do hope one day to see a wedding/marriage announcement!

Try to emotional disengage from the completely. Perhaps they are too busy doing martyrdom to everyone around them at the moment?

shinyrobot · 04/11/2009 14:38

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TheCrackFox · 04/11/2009 14:53

Armidillo - have only just caught up with this thread. Your "parents" sound positively evil. I don't know if this has previously been mentioned but your mother sounds like she is NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) all her weird behaviour is all about her and not about you. You sound like you are the scapegoat and your sister is the golden child. I have found this website very helpful.

Daughters of Narcisstic Mothers

There is a supportive chat room there as well.
A lot of women there have gone NC (no contact) and have found it liberating.

TheArmadillo · 04/11/2009 18:36

I just had a look at that link and was going to say that I didn't think it was my mother. THen I read the bit on infantilisation adn it has her down to a tee.

Thanks for that. Am going to have a look round it now.

I do need to emotionally disengage, am finding it hard atm because I am sat at home all day with little to do. So overthinking stuff. Will try some distraction stuff tomorrow as dp will be home.

I think that they are probably shocked atm and that's probably why nothing has happened yet.

I will try not to think about it until something does.

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toomanystuffedbears · 04/11/2009 19:06

Hi TheArmadillo
Enough is definitely enough and you can get incredible mileage out of that delicious feeling of 'relief, at last'.

Good for you for taking action. You have broken out of your childhood family role. You are not a child anymore and are refusing to be treated like that ever again. Yea you!

If you are not familiar with it already, look up the "drama triangle". What you wrote fits in there pretty well. Your action takes you off the triangle and you are right, they will be angry. So let them; that is their baggage, not yours. They will find a replacement for whatever 'supply' they need. Meanwhile, do as suggested and protect yourself, dp, and dc. Have police on #1 speed dial and have absolutely no hesitation to use them to scrape these (parasites) out of your life.

You are not oversensitive.
Quote from Sakura (neverending thanks for this ) "I'll stop being so sensitive when you stop being so insensitive!"

BeginningAnew · 04/11/2009 19:17

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TheArmadillo · 05/11/2009 18:18

Well I got a letter from my mum today. It was interesting.

Apparently I am responsible for her crashing her car a few months ago (she passed out at the wheel) as I had put her under so much stress

Basically it was all her idea I should write a letter.

The reason they don't like dp is because I have been unhappy and they assumed it was his fault.

She says that she never intended to hurt me wiht her comments (so basically she won't apologise for them) but that I have said very hurtful things too.

My behaviour has put them under a lot of stress and I cannot expect them to be perfect.

She has ignored half the stuff I wrote. It reads like a response to the letter she thinks I should have written rather than the one I did. She's written a lot of stuff she thinks I want to hear, but that wasn't what I wrote.

One of the things I wrote is that she thinks I am a terrible mother. there was a lot about how wonderful ds is and how he is a credit to me. Not that I'm a good mother.

Basically - you're not getting any apology and things will continue the same. It's not as bad as I expected.

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CarGirl · 05/11/2009 20:11

She really is nuts!

maxybrown · 05/11/2009 21:19

Hoorah! You weren't disappointed then (looking at it like this is best way!) with her completely predictable answer. She is the one with issues.......odd odd odd. Hope you are ok

TheArmadillo · 05/11/2009 21:53

I actually feel a lot better about the whole thing now I have got the letter. It kinda proved what I had been thinking.

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anonymous85 · 05/11/2009 22:48

All I can say is piss them off!! You don't really NEED them do you? Sounds like you will never get the words you want or change the way they act and feel. You would be so much happier without them.

colditz · 05/11/2009 22:59

You don't have to tell them you need a break. Screen your calls , send them one text message saying you are busy and will not be available for an unspecified amount oftime, then don't answer the phone to them, or the door.

I also strongly advise you contact the HV team to inform them of what you have done, as you felt the whole environment was very unhealthy for your ds, and that THEY are welcome to visit whenever they feel like it - just so if the HV team get a call from your family they will know the reason and will know that it's not actually related to your parenting.

You need to drill the realisation into your head that you never ever need to interact with them on any level, ever again.

TheArmadillo · 07/11/2009 12:00

Thanks - that's a good idea about HV. I mgith try giving her a call on monday.

Had a really good laugh over all my mother's insults last night. Proper rolling on the floor laughing.

I feel a lot better now.

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saggyjuju · 07/11/2009 15:23

same sort of stuff in my childhood,and yes my oldest son was allowed to be influenced by my family against all my wishes to the point where i dont even see him now,he is an adult but has been poisoned. it is my fault that i let it happen, i had given up i knew i was worthless,the underdog whatever you want to describe it like,i felt dead inside and to a point was. now alot of years too late i dont have contact with most of my family and it nearly destroyed me but a few years on i realise i am mourning the loss of a family i would have liked and not what i had.i am very happy have a fantastic family and know how important and succesful i am, so stick it to the toxic people in our lives and surround yourself with the positive ones we are here the once and life is for grasping with both hands and ENJOY {grin}

saggyjuju · 07/11/2009 15:31

i am so crap at the smileys,lets try again ,feel better now x