Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

So...Can I salvage this relationship?

31 replies

HowDoYouDealWithThis · 20/10/2009 10:00

DH and I have been together for about 10 years and married for 8. We have two wonderful DC, a lovely family home and both have good jobs. However, over the last four to six years (essentially since having the children) our relationship has gone from almost idyllic to almost over.

I have always had issues about DHs anger and the way he deals with it. In the early days of our relationship this anger was always directed at others and manifested itself in ways such as road rage. I?ve always shown that I disapproved of this behaviour and we always had occasional arguments over it but, essentially, I was prepared to put up with the occasional low point in order to enjoy the many positive aspects of being with him: he was funny, loving and caring and basically we had some really good times together. I was deeply in love with him and he with me.

When our DD came along he was a doting father and although he found the baby stage hard work (as did I) we had few qualms about having another child. So, DS arrived and he was even harder work and of course we also had a toddler to deal with. At this time we had a lot of problems mainly caused by lack of sleep for both of us as DS rarely slept more than a couple of hours in a row (I would deal with him as BF) and DH would get up with DD who had previously been sleeping through but was now being regularly woken by the baby. We were both struggling and I felt at the time that DH was finding things exceptionally hard and that he was possibly suffering from some form of PND. I can remember saying to him that he needed help but that I just wasn?t in a position to offer it ? I still feel bad about that in some ways but I just had no emotional resources left at that time to devote to him. He didn?t seek any outside help.

At around this time his anger started to be directed towards me and the family always shouting and carrying on in what I think of as a very childish manner. One trait that really sticks in my mind and carries on to this day is that he hates to hear any crying and will always shout at a crying child (maybe crying because they have already been shouted at) ? this makes them cry more which then makes him shout more. I just think ? why??

Anyway, we?re now in a place where all the previous positives of our relationship have essentially gone. He seems very unhappy virtually all the time ? punctuated by outbursts of anger whilst I am very sad at the state of our relationship and desperately trying to hold it together and make a happy home for the DC but really I feel like I?m fighting a losing battle.

I just think that unless he admits that his anger and shouting are a problem then we can?t resolve this but no matter how many times I try to talk to him about it he will not admit that he has a problem, will not apologise and will not agree to change. His defence is always along the lines of ?But you do it too...? or ?It?s your/the DCs fault for making me angry...? or ?You are trying to manipulate me with tears/sulking...?. In response to these I would say (although rarely do coherently as I?m normally crying by now) that although I do occasionally shout I do try not to and it is rare for me to lose my temper, I think he needs to take full responsibility for his own actions and not blame us and that although I?m not trying to manipulate with tears (I am embarrassingly unable to control them sometimes) I do resort to sulking/ignoring in the face of his anger as I hate confrontation but don?t want him to think that his behaviour is OK.

WWYD?

OP posts:
HowDoYouDealWithThis · 21/10/2009 11:02

Last night we managed to have a very calm discussion about the problems in our relationship and even the fact of discussing it in this way feels like a positive step.

He's still on the defensive with me - thinks I'm painting him as a monster (this is not what I think) and suggested that I was maybe too sensitive (I totally refuted this as I said if that was the case I wouldn't even have made it this far)! Anyway, we've come to an agreement of sorts in that from now on I will immediately point it out if I think he's overstepping the mark and he will accept that and not respond in an even more angry manner. This is OK in the short term but I must admit to being disappointed that I have to take charge of the whole thing - its still like he's abdicating responsibility onto me in most respects. Why can't he recognise when he's straying into this territory himself and police his own behaviour? I'm staring to feel like I'm being the parent and he the child - not at all what I'd hope for in a marriage. He says its because he's not losing his temper and I obviously object to his tone but he doesn't know when he's using the 'angry' tone that I object to rather than a 'stern' tone that is OK if, say, the children are misbehaving - I'm a bit about that - how can he not know?

Just to clear up a few points - he has never been physically violent towards me (NT you're referring to another poster) and I'm not scared for my physical, mental or emotional wellbeing. My only fear is for the future of my marriage and for the family life that I want to have but that I feel is slipping out of reach.

I've really appreciated all your posts and I think that the discussion last night had a better outcome because I've has access to your advice/opinions/viewpoints than it would have done otherwise. Thanks and I just hope this is the start of someting better between me and DH rather than just a false dawn.

OP posts:
newnamethistime · 21/10/2009 11:21

HDYDWT,

I think it's me that she was thinking about re. bruising.
HDYDWT
I got huge support here and most if it was difficult to read/accept.
But I had to. And my DH had too. There is no skirting around it anymore.
I had panic attacks thinking that I was accusing my DH of being an abuser, and he wasn't - that I was mad etc.
I also quickly realised that I did not want any problem covered up by him 'learning to control his anger'. His perspective would of allowed him to continue with his thinking that he was right and we were wrong. That as long as he contained his anger, that it was ok for him to continue being critical in his head.

The reason I mentioned the amount of physical abuse was that I wanted to show that you that even with a 'low' level of physical abuse, everything else made our situation completely intolerable.

I'm not trying to minimise the physical abuse either in my own case - but it was a more complete understanding of my own situation which finally helped me to tell people and to get help.

I have become acutely aware of how my behaviour had changed over the years due to underlying fear (I never realised it was fear at the time).
I make myself tell him now if anything he does or says reminds me of how I was feeling.

You say you are no afraid for your physical, mental or emotional well being? I honestly think that you are pushing this away for fear of the unknown. You say in your op that you are under strain trying to deal with all this? That is your emotional well being telling you something.

I read lots about abuse, cycles of abuse, how being in an abusive situation changes your thought patterns etc.
I'm still dealing with this. I'm trying not to sound over dramatic but untill you experience that lightbulb moment you are not seeing things clearly.

TheEarthIsFlat · 21/10/2009 11:50

HowDoYouDealWithThis, hope it goes well after your discussion. We have a very similar situation here with a permanently angry and intolerant dp. Unfortunately, I've given in and responded by shouting back so now it's got very messy. It's difficult, because though I often feel it would be better for me and the children if we separated I know how much this would upset him. What worries me most is that it does affect the children, more and more as they get older. Tough, isn't it? Let me know if you find that elusive magic answer.

cestlavielife · 21/10/2009 14:46

unbeleivable - so youa re in control of him and repsonsible for his behaviour? he is an adult right??

(i do know - as TEIF says - that it takes a long time for one to realisehow much one is sucked into something that is NOT ok.

practically speaking - how will you point it out?

someone i knew -they used a certain phrase - eg "red light warning"
you could try i guess...

you are not concerned for your emaoiotnal and mental wellbeing - but you are concerned for your mariage and family life - surely they are all linked up and tied together?

notaloud · 21/10/2009 16:45

HDYDWT - he is passing the buck. Its a classic. Make you think you are to fault. If he even mentions that you are "playing the victim" then you will know for sure this is what he is doing. "You are too sensitive" "you are painting him as a monster". Sounds just like my DH

I never thought DH would be violent with me until he dragged me across the room in front of DD.

Does he get in your way? Does he want to hold you? Thats all physical.

The not crying thing really worries me too. Again, my Dh hates me crying. Why?

Please wake up to what is going on.

NicknameTaken · 22/10/2009 11:21

Sorry for mixing you up - read too fast and thought OP had name-changed.

OP, I think that you need to give this new arrangement a shot for your own peace of mind, to know that you've tried everything. Frankly, I'm not optimistic that it will work. If he calls you over-sensitive/manipulative when you bring up his behaviour at a calmer time, do you really think he'll accept your views when he's all riled up? It's not fair for him to abdicate responsibility for his own behaviour.

Still, give it a shot. Who knows, people can surprise you. But if it's not working, please - your DC deserve better.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page