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Have finally blown my top with a friend. Why do I feel so rubbish then? (Long)

58 replies

alison56 · 17/09/2009 00:00

I have this friend, let's call her Mandy.

I've known Mandy for ages (about 11 years). We are in a group of friends - we all graduated at the same time.

Mandy is perfectly lovely but not very self aware. She's had a series of rubbish boyfriends (including one who stole from her). Her last boyfriend was totally up his own arse. He finished with her after she'd sold her house and moved in with him - she was devastated and turned to us all for sympathy (which, naturally, we gave).

When she's in a relationship, she takes on that person's persona. If he's into motorbikes, she's suddenly into that too. She had one who was into pot holing and swore blind to us that she had "always loved pot holing" even though we knew she's never done it in her life. I suppose it's a sign of lack of confidence or something but it's really annoying because we're not daft and we know what she's saying isn't true.

When she's out of a relationship, we see lots of her. When she's with a bloke, she only seems to get in touch when she wants something, for example, if she wants somebody's husband to do some work on her house. Friends she turns to for company (and mutual support on the dating scene) are dropped like hot potatoes once she's in a relationship.

The other thing is, she often makes excuses to get out of things. When I had my first child christened, she left very early, siting a need to "go to B&Q", which left everyone gobsmacked. She left another of our (significant) parties very very early to join her boyfriend at another party instead (at his friends' house).

The problem is, she doesn't like being on her own. So no sooner has she come out of one crap relationship (making us swear to tell her if we see her making the same mistakes again) than she's into another. Inevitably we all see alarm bells ringing about the new boyfriend and nobody has the guts to tell her because she doesn't seem to want to hear it at the time.

And so it goes on and on....

Anyway, she started seeing this bloke two years ago. We have only met him once in that time because he (1) never comes to any get togethers or (2) they cancel at the last minute. It's irritating, but aside from that, she tells us things that set alarm bells ringing again (for example, he seems quite controlling - all her boyfriends have been the same).

This bloke (David) seems a bit anti-social (you might say shy if you were being kind but given his job I wouldn't say he was shy...). He doesn't have many mates. He doesn't really like going to social gatherings for her family ("couldn't be bothered" to go to a christening because he doesn't like kids - she told us this - so they didn't go).

Now Mandy's a traditional girl, and she's very good looking and has a lovely figure. She's always wanted the big white wedding. Earlier in the year they got engaged and fixed a date for November. You can imagine our surprise then, when she announced that they were only having 20 guests to the wedding because that was "all that David wants".

Despite this, she goes out and buys the whole shebang - big white dress, full length veil, the lot. And all this is for 20 guests in a hotel. Strikes us that she wants the big white wedding but they can't afford it so we don't question it - we totally understand if money is an issue - we'll just go to the evening do.

The next thing, they announce that they are going on a big expensive honeymoon (seriously expensive) doing something he's very keen on - so suddenly we realise the small wedding isn't about lack of money at all - it's really about what David wants. Only they can't go anywhere that doesn't have "English food" because he's a "steak and chips man - strictly no veg", so as much as Mandy longs to go to the far east, it's never going to happen because, as she puts it, "there's nothing David will eat".

You can imagine that everyone has an opinion on all of this behind her back. He seems to rule the roost - but it's too late because the wedding is booked and she's desperate to have children - "can't wait to get the wedding over with" as she (sadly) put it. So they can start trying.

Anyway, we get the invitations for the wedding and the bride and groom are asking for cash as presents. They have actually said in the invitations "you can buy us a present if you like but the cash will do" - which makes me want to go and lie down in a dark room.

And then we get talking to her and she's boasting that they aren't having an evening buffet at the wedding because not having a buffet is saving them £1900 and isn't that brilliant because £1900 is a huge saving. Instead of a buffet they are doing a sausage sandwich but it's strictly one sandwich each, with the exception of David's work colleagues, who can have two sandwiches because they have big appetites.

We are staggered (and puzzled - how will it be policed??!!).

And we're thinking "right, so we're not invited to your wedding but we can come in the evening and bring cash but you aren't even going to put on a spread....".

Nobody says anything. It's her wedding - the arrangements are made and nobody wants to add to what must be a stressful time by pulling her up and telling her she is really beginning to offend people. And of course, nobody is feeling like busting a limb to go to this wedding as it all seems a bit one-sided.

Then came the last straw.

I'm having my daughter christened and she replies to the invitation telling me they are coming. Then at the last minute she tells me (via facebook) that she isn't coming because she's going shopping instead. Specifically, she is going shopping to a shop that hires out wedding suits because she doesn't trust David's choice for his dad and best man and she wants to go with them (the wedding is 2 months away).

At this point, it's so late that I have already given our caterer the final numbers so I will have to pay for them even though they are not coming.

Despite this, I just stay calm and quiet. It's annoying but I don't want a showdown with her given that she's in the run up to her wedding so I say nothing.

Two days later she sends me a text to ask if I'm coming to the evening of her wedding. I haven't yet sent an RSVP because I haven't secured a babysitter.

When I tell her this, she gives me a deadline to say yes or no because she "has to give the hotel final numbers" by next week (7 weeks in advance).

So then that was it - I finally told her that her bahviour was hacking people off. I didn't mention a thing about the wedding because I didn't want to add to the stress a wedding causes (and it's probably too late for her to change anythign about it) but I told her I was fed up with her making daft excuses to leave early and that I thought she lacked self awareness. I mentioned the irony of not coming to our christening (after numbers were finalised) yet asking me to make a decision about her wedding (for the purposes of final numbers).

I said I thought that going shopping for a hire suit was a rubbish excuse when the shops are open until 6pm. Wy couldn't she come for an hour or two?

So now I feel better that it's off my chest at last. I didn't want to confront her but she was really pushing me to the limit. Other people got it off their chests by declining the wedding invitation with no exaplanation.

I keep thinking "it's not her fault - she's obviously been told they are not going to the christening, they are going for the suits" but I wish she'd grow some bloody balls and stop treating her friends like this.

Have I done a bad thing?

She hasn't replied yet.

Meh.

OP posts:
theworldsgoneDMmad · 17/09/2009 12:47

Could this be a case of "groomzilla"?

I think you should freeze the 2 surplus meals caused by their absence from your DD's christening and take them to her wedding to keep you going

diddl · 17/09/2009 14:18

theworldsgoneDMmad LOL-that is such a good idea!!

I think many of us might be guilty of spending all our time with a new boyfriend at the expense of friends.

This guy does sound like a control freak, but with your friends attitude it´s not surprising.

Well, if you´re a true friend,you´ll be there to pick up the pieces when it all falls apart

I´m not sure what else you can do.

Tortington · 17/09/2009 14:34

have you heard yet - i need to know

warthog · 17/09/2009 16:00

this is unbelievable. i think you've shown marvellous restraint actually.

i like the idea of ordering takeaways!

i think she does need to know she's gone too far. even if she's not self-aware, surely any normal person can see that you can't expect people to come to a c-list evening do (why do people do that???? so bizzare), get your small quota of food and pay cash for the experience.

jeez fuck off!!

StealthPolarBear · 17/09/2009 16:19

you heard anything yet?

samsonthecat · 17/09/2009 16:28

She sounds bonkers if you don't mind me saying. Have you had a reply yet?

poshsinglemum · 17/09/2009 16:34

I feel sorry for her - she has issues.
Like me, she chooses the wrong men as she has zich self- esteem.
Either acknowledge this and support her or blow her off. The way you feel about it- I would cool things off. She's a drain on you.

Let her make her own mistakes aswell. It may well be a car crash but it is always easiest to see relationhsip faults from the outside. Try to be pleased for her. she may love this man and just wants to be married and have kids like all her mates. It's hard being the only singleton dontyaknow! Mabe there's stuff she dosn't agree with about your marriage but she hasn't told you because it isn't her business.

BitOfFun · 17/09/2009 18:49

No advice really- but I can well understand why you felt you had to say something. my mind is boggling at the sausage butties...

Klaw · 17/09/2009 19:05

I believe true friendship should be unconditional and non-judgemental.

I would suggest not putting yourself out on her account, but accept that you know what she's like, however you are very fond of her so accept it, and get your annoyance off your chest with like minded friends who also know her. She will need you when it all hits the fan.

You can't MAKE people change and if she's caught in a repetitive rut with respects to type of man only she can finally see the wood from the trees at some point. Sadly it make take years/decades before that happens

bibbitybobbityhat · 17/09/2009 19:13

Sorry, too long for me.

sazlocks · 17/09/2009 19:18

amazed you put it with it for that long TBH and not entirely sure what you are getting out of the "friendship" apart from drama, drama ,drama....................

alison56 · 17/09/2009 19:22

No response yet ladies....

Hmm I like the idea about freezing their christening food....

The longer she takes to respond the more concerned I feel that she's busy flushing her own head down the loo in a sudden fit of self awareness....

OP posts:
Jumente · 17/09/2009 19:29

Your friend sounds utterly and completely lost.

How sad that she is doing all this wedidng nonsense when it means nothing, and nobody cares

I feel very very sorry for her but also think you are right that her behaviour is dreadful.

She does sound like she has a complete lack of self awareness.

It doesn't sound deliberate, just desperate.

She needs a good helping of therapy.

I don't think your saying this stuff will do much, especially now you've let it get this far - it could just cut her off from the good people in her life so she only has Dave the twonk left to rely on

I think it's actually hideous that you and your friends have been talking about her behind her back, for years and years, and nobody has had the guts to say to ehr 'look mandy, I wonder why you did such and such, do you feel Ok or was your father a shit to you, is that why you are choosing these guys?' and suggest some help and guidance/counselling etc.

Sorry OP but I think it was totally the wrong approach going back years. The good thing is that you are no longer thinking one thing and saying another, and you are relieved of your own built up feelings.

She's the one who really needs to be helped though. Not great friends really to let it get this far.

ChilloHippi · 17/09/2009 19:35

To be brutally honest, I would drop her as a friend. There is only so much a person can give in a friendship without getting anything back.
And you have every right to be annoyed.

toomanystuffedbears · 17/09/2009 20:13

Hi Alison56, well, this is a story for the grandkids one day isn't it?

She may dump you before you get to officially dump her.

Be prepared: You'll probably hear about it later, how crap a friend/jealous you were about her wedding.

Her man is probably already encouraging (if not instigating) circumstances to weed out her friends to isolate her for the emotioal abuse that is sure to come, nay, continue.

Therefore, my guess is you will not get a response from her.

Regarding the wedding "plans"... for me, when people start putting conditions on gifts, it is a clue to stay away.

So are you one of the chosen 20 who get to go to the ceremony? What is he going to do to her that he wants only 20 people to see?

Weddings are thrown for the guests to celebrate, too...here it seems like the guests are an unfortunate necessary-they will let you in only if you bring cash and don't cost them anything.

At some point, we, as civilized people, must refuse to promote behavior that so clearly diminishes our civilization. I would not go to the wedding, or reception; even though it would be sure to entertain, iykwim .

Maybe send a card with superficial wishes and no money as they have demonstrated they don't really need it (make a charitable contribution in their name for the occasion),
or,
Include a very small amount of cash in the neighborhood of 2 or 3 pounds/dollars so they get the point that you understood they wanted cash, inappropriately asked for it, so they get what they get: 3 bucks and an ended friendship.

If she has the gall to complain about such a cheap contribution, let her know ad infintum how you are saving up for your (trip around the world) and just can't invest in gifts right now, you are sure she'll understand.

toomanystuffedbears · 17/09/2009 20:35

Jumente- (x post) very insightful post. I agree.

There was a time when I could have benefited from some advice...

I think being a misfit is, on a certain level, entertainment to some people, especially those already a welcomed part of a group. (I see that from the misfit perspective, btw.)

Alison56, if you've kept her as a friend for eleven years, meaning that you've not laughed at her so much that she notices to extract herself from the relationship(s), then that is a quality of kindness that you have, it is generous.

I don't know what to say, really-although I've said a bunch in my previous post . As you've pointed out in your OP, weddings are a kind of cess pool of emotions/ craziness, and just being patient-it will be over at some point, may be the solution. Wait it out.

But on the other hand, this is about more than the wedding. Perhaps, get in touch with her (phone or face to face), half apologize as you recognize she is planning the wedding, but you need to let her know that her behavior is (finally) threatening your friendship. The first 'blow up' may have shocked her, but given a second chance after some time to think about it, you might get to hear her response.

But, you know- it is hard to find a babysitter...

lilacclaire · 17/09/2009 21:10

So, let me see if I have this right.

She needs to know 7 weeks in advance whether to make another sausage sandwich?

annh · 17/09/2009 22:00

Actually, it doesn't matter how many weeks in advance she knows whether you are coming or not - unless you are one of h-to-be's colleagues, you are only getting one sausage sandwich anyway! Hmmm, I can see the scene now as unseemly tussles develop over the sandwiches with people having to produce their staff card in order to get a second one and the bride being splattered with ketchup in the ensuing mayhem!

StealthPolarBear · 17/09/2009 22:20

pmsl lilacclaire

groundhogs · 17/09/2009 22:44

Jeez, car crash indeed, painful to watch..

Easy to say stay well away, but she was a person before she met this creep..

It had to be said, she needed to hear it, you needed to get it out there... fingers crossed it makes her think.

Jumente · 18/09/2009 07:22

I'm finding some of this thread very cruel. Not that it isn't funny when seen from outside but it's obviously far from it to the woman in question, and I truly believe she has NO IDEA she is behaving so unsocially.

If you don't think she is deliberately trying to make you all feel so angry, then please, please try to find a way to approach it that doesn't involve ridicule, blame or snidey stuff...I still feel that your collection of friends as a whole has absolutely let her down, and starting a thread and giggling about her behind her back is just an example of why she might indeed be better off marrying Dave the Twonk and seeing less and less of you lot.

I see not an ounce of empathy displayed.

Poor girl needs help not bitching about.

Jumente · 18/09/2009 07:22

There is empathy in some of the posts but not the OP, just to add.

snapple · 18/09/2009 08:05

Alison56 I think the posting says a lot about you.
If you are just posting this to vent - then that is one thing.

You have either not raised issues in the past or not raised issues with your friend in positive manner.

Your intention may have been to want to make her feel bad for her actions and that is what you have done.

IF it was really important for her to attend your christening then you could have said this to her constructively.

You could have tried to understand her issues and actually check your understanding of her issues, but you seem to relish in her every social faux pas.

Can?t see her getting any mercy, grace or understanding from you.

It appears that you and some of your friends take some kind of satisfaction in moaning about your friend and damage her reputation further by jumping on her every mistake.

warthog · 18/09/2009 08:23

i don't agree. i think this friend has treated the op APPALLINGLY. i'm surprised they're still friends.

it doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise that a christening is very important and you don't just leave early to go shopping.

plus you don't expect guests to turn up to your wedding banquet to be given 1 sausage sandwich. and god help you if you say 'please, sir, can i have some more?'.

this is shockingly bad treatment.

OurLadyOfPerpetualSupper · 18/09/2009 09:43

I agree with Jumente and Snappie.

The whole tone of the OP carps on about the many faux pas this woman has committed over the years - apart from saying 'she is lovely' there seems to be no reason for this group to have her as a friend other than to make themselves feel better by contrast.

Now they are having to deal with the inevitable result of continuing a 'friendship' with someone they've never really liked or had empathy for - or at least have never tried to help her with any of the problems they have such fun dissecting at length.

And when the OP said she'd 'told' her what she thought, it didn't even occur to me that she might have done it by text - okay, she texted you to say she wasn't coming to the christening, but surely you live by your own standards not other people's.

Telling someone you're sick of their behaviour is not something you do by text IMO.