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Honest comments on my dilemma of 'is my husband a complete a--e'! Or do I give him yet another chance?

53 replies

mummytowillow · 16/08/2009 22:29

OK, in order to cut this down from a very long ramble I'll bullet point the main facts!!

I had PND after DD, was a complete bitch to live with, sought treatment it worked I changed completely, found out he was seeing a woman from work but alledgedly they didn't have sex, he left me, came back, I forgave him because of how I'd been, he left again, came back, he managed three weeks, he decided he didn't want us (dd 2) and then wouldn't move out of our house. I begged, cried, tried to convince him to make our marriage work, he wasn't interested?

Now for a bit of a ramble!

So, nearly five months later, I have just moved out of my lovely house, given up my well paid job and moved (my choice) to live with my parents 300 hundred miles away, I no longer cry, have moved on, got myself a job, lined up a lovely house and to tell you the truth, although I still love him, I don't miss him, probably because I live with my parents, I'm extremely busy and need to live on my own to see if I do miss him?

He has now decided he has made a huge mistake and wants to get back with 'us' he wants to move to transfer to the local police here and basically move in with me when I get my own place He still refuses to acknowledge he did anything wrong however as it was only a kiss and texting!! He still makes out that everything is all my fault and then had the nerve to say the following when we discussed what needed to change on both parts!!

He won't come back if I revert to how I was before!
'Things in the bedroom need to vastly improve'! Cheeky twunt!
I can't fault him as a father or a house husband, so I can't complain about him!

Is that man for real? I had PND for gods sake, I was irrational but had a reason, he felt the answer to this was to find himself a bit of stuff! But expects me to do all the changing?

This is what I asked of him - to support me emotionally as yes he is a brilliant father and in the house, but he gives me nothing emotionally, he's like a cold fish! No compliments, no presents on birthdays and throws a card in the Tesco trolley when I'm with him, he forgets how good I've been with his two children from other marriage and how I put up with his loony ex-wifes ravings! How I had to have IVF treatment because of him, how I had a terrible pregnancy and even worse birth, how I tortured myself because I couldn't breastfeed which led to the PND need I go on!!

I've just been down South to finish off the house before the tenants move in, he was supposed to have packed the rest of the house so we just had to move what was left out and he had done nothing, he admitted that he had sat on his arse and watched TV for the five weeks I've been away, how pathetic is that? I think that was the icing on the cake of how selfish he really is and puts his own needs before mine? Our daughter adores him and he is a good Daddy to her, just not a good husband, his own father did the same as he is doing to three different families so is it history repeating itself?

So is he an arse or do I try again?? And should I put conditions on him, he went to counselling but told me the woman told him he didn't need it, yeh right!

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thesecondcoming · 17/08/2009 22:38

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AnyFucker · 17/08/2009 22:46

it helps to have a bit of a perspective, that is all

your Op seemed very clear and direct in its judgement so I would have assumed you knew any backstory

however, I accept you were playing Devil's Advocate

AnyFucker · 17/08/2009 22:47

and this is not my thread so I will now zip it

MotheringHeights · 18/08/2009 01:25

Even without the backstory, a partner who refuses to acknowlege they've done anything wrong because it was 'just kissing and texting' has a problem and shouldn't be welcomed back. What part of this attitude requires the OP to re-examine her behaviour, secondcoming?

BitOfFun · 18/08/2009 01:43

I don't remember the back story either, but

a) "Kissing and texting"? Bullshit.

b) He doesn't need to look at his own behaviour or change? Bollocks.

c) He's a great daddy , but this somehow encompasses treating the mother of his dd like something on the sole of his shoe and modelling the crappest version of a relationship for her to aim for? Crock of shite.

d) All of a sudden when you are getting your shit together, he wants to take everything backwards? No freakin' way!

HTH

ninedragons · 18/08/2009 05:03

From what you've written, you would be mad to take him back.

You've moved on. Why would you slide back into that again?

duchesse · 18/08/2009 05:16

DO not let him back! You are getting your life back, the last thing you need is this level of uncertainty back in it. Stand your ground! Honestly, he's not going to be worth it. Just my opinion.

secretskillrelationships · 18/08/2009 06:41

I understand your desire for your daughter to have her dad around all the time. I thought I could make things work for the sake of my children (my own parents separated when I was young and didn't want that for them). I found that it came down to sacrificing my needs for theirs. I did it for a number of years but it ground me down, and made me a much poorer parent as my own needs weren't being met.

As others have said, this is not a man who is yet ready to work on the relationship. You don't need to put conditions on him as you know this already. Putting conditions on him will encourage him to take less responsibility NOT more i.e. he only has to do what you ask. On a very fundamental level, what conditions could you put on him that would make things work for you. Counselling? Well he can go but it doesn't mean he'll participate. And so on.

My take is that there is always the possibility of a NEW relationship but for that the old one needs to end. Only then is there the option of starting again. If you didn't have your DD would you go out with this man? Would you get involved with him?

CyradisTheDMSlayer · 18/08/2009 07:49

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HecatesTwopenceworth · 18/08/2009 09:24

If he won't take responsibility for his part in all this then it isn't going to work.

And what happens next time someone catches his eye? Or if (god forbid) you become depressed again - you already know he is not someone you can lean on.

I think that, as things stand, it would be a mistake to take up with him again.

If he took responsibility for his affair (no sex - yeah, right ) and was honest and worked with you to get past it, and made changes himself and stopped trying to blame you for everything and didn't come with the attitude of he will do you the favour of coming back into his life if you are prepared to do x, z, y (arrogant or what?!) then maybe - MAYBE - you could work things out if the love is still there.

But love on its own will not help you here.

HecatesTwopenceworth · 18/08/2009 09:25

do you the favour of coming back into your life, I mean!

NewLeaseofLife · 18/08/2009 11:41

An arsehole!!!!! My soon to be X H did a similar thing. I spent the last year and a half trying to sort it out and then decided that it was one lie too many and am now very very happy on my own.
He is being a complete knob and is not worth the anguish involved. Honest answer.

Good luck

ErikaMaye · 18/08/2009 11:47

Total total total arse.

I'm so sorry he's treated you so badly.

IsItMeOr · 18/08/2009 11:52

You deserve better than this, and I think you know it. DD needs a relationship with her dad, but that can be good without them living together. If he is serious, I would suggest that he would take up the suggestion made elsewhere that he transfer to where you are but find his own place to live. If you are still interested in getting back together after 6 months of that, and he is showing a desire to change, then think about it then. If he can't be bothered to do that, then I suspect he is not serious, and is just missing his home comforts.

sparkybabe · 18/08/2009 12:03

I haven't read the back-issues either, but going on what is in this posting - you tried to kick him out before, but he didn't go. So you had to move 300 miles away. Now you are thinking of letting him move in again? What if it doesn't work again and you want him out again? Will he go? Don't think so.
WTF - he says things have to 'vastly improve in the bedroom'? He has't a clue about relationships has he?
And as for 'staying together for the sake of the dc' - you can be a fab mother. He can be a fab father. You do not have to be together-parents to be fab parents.

AnyFucker · 18/08/2009 12:19

sorry all, when I mentioned backstory I wasn't meaning it was essential that everybody knew all the details before commenting

I was responding to one poster who was very judgemental direct with their opinion, that I happened to strongly disagree with

as you were....

thesecondcoming · 18/08/2009 12:22

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Stayingsunnygirl · 18/08/2009 12:42

I had PND after each of my three dses were born - because I am prone to depression. I'm still suffering from depression, and it affects me on a daily basis - and so it affects my dh on a daily basis too.

No, a partner with depression/PND is not easy to live with, but that is not an excuse to go and have an affair - and texting/kissing is an emotional affair, even if it didn't go as far as sex.

But the bottom line, mummytowillow, is are you happier now? And if you are, would taking your ex back make you more or less happy? It sounds to me as if the answer to the first question is yes, you are happier now, and to the second, having him back would make you much less happy. If these are true, then you have made the right decision in leaving, and it would not be right to take him back.

Maybe there is a middle ground - where he maintains some contact and you see if the relationship can work - but on your terms, not just his. I haven't read the other posts, so this may be entirely unrealistic of me, and if so, forgive me mummytowillow (and anyfucker).

AnyFucker · 18/08/2009 13:45

pass agg ?

passing aggravation ?

passable aggregate ?

passover aggression ?

passkey agglomerate ?

< puts dictionary away >

< goes off to find something better to do >

Stayingsunnygirl · 18/08/2009 13:46

Passive-aggressive, perchance, AnyFucker? Not agreeing, btw - just showing off my detectoring abilities!

AnyFucker · 18/08/2009 13:48

thats ok stayingsunnygirl

pssst, by the way < whispers > I knew what it meant really

Stayingsunnygirl · 18/08/2009 14:17
Wink
toomanystuffedbears · 18/08/2009 15:18

Hello mommytowillow,
Imho,
Your husband has the maturity level of a 10 year old. Those conditions-good grief...don't get caught up in that. He is simply arranging the battlefield for the next fight (or flight?).

As a couple of others have suggested, he wants a housekeeper/shopper/sex/child minder without the mature personal responsibility and accountability of honoring the committments of being in a monogamous relationship.

Forgive me-this may seem harsh-but I think he is using dd as an emotional tool to bring you back in line as his doormat. If he truly loved his dd (beyond her being a little person whom he can totally control at this time) then he'd love you too. Sorry to say this, but from what you've written here, I rather doubt that he does love you.

So he is doing this to 3 different families or is it his dad that has done this? Don't you see? He sees this as normal operating procedure for "family". Not likely to change.

Please, please let him use someone else.

Sparkybabe-tremendously excellent line: "...don't need to be together-parents to be fab parents."

Tortington · 18/08/2009 15:23

id tell him a confident "no thanks, i like life without you"

if you believe that he hasnt slept with this woman. then you are v. naive.

OrmIrian · 18/08/2009 15:24

No don't give him another chance. You've done all the hard work getting rid of him. What makes you think he will be different now. And you aren't missing him.