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am I ungrateful?

41 replies

nameychangey · 08/08/2009 21:43

Have namechanged for this, not sure why...maybe that tells me something in itself?

DH is generally great and would do anything for me. He always encourages me to see family and friends, always compliments me (but mostly on the way I look- he tells me I'm beautiful at least twice a day), does his fair share around the house, makes me laugh, would never call me names, always tells me how much he loves me etc etc.

But he can be a bit controlling. He doesn't appreciate that i need to do things in my own time and in my own way. He's always on at me to learn to drive, offers to pay for my provisional etc and when i say I'm not ready/interested at the moment he gets really frustrated, says i always come up with "excuses". He bought me a bike to try and get me to go cycling with him, but I don't like cycling so he moans about that "I've bought you a bike and you still won't do it". I didn't ask for a bike and don't especially want one cluttering up the garage either!!!
He also does things like insist on coming to pick me up in the car, I tell him I'm fine to get the bus but he just keeps insisting so most of the time I back down even though it means waiting much longer and makes me grumpy.
His mum is getting on and needs a lot of help but sometimes i hear him on the phone to her and realise that he speaks to her in the same way he speaks to me, a bit impatient which i know makes us both stick our heels in for the sake of it or become flustered. One time he asked me to phone nhs 24 about her medication, i said that he would be best to do it as he knows all the details but he got annoyed that i wouldn't just "do it" and do him a favour because he was busy at work. i phoned and right enough i didn't have all the details so it was a waste of time which i knew it would be but somehow refusing to do it seemed like I was refusing to do him a favour? This is quite typical.
Also this seems really petty but he never says 'please' when he asks me to make a cup of tea. He always just says "stick the kettle on will you?" He says I should know that he means please. I've asked him repeatedly to please say it, its just polite and is important to teach the kids good manners but he still won't do it and goes in the huff when I then only make tea for myself.

I feel quite smothered, i know he does stuff because he cares and he thinks that is the best/quickest/easiest way to do things but he doesn't support me in the way I want him to- by being gentle and encouraging and letting me get on with the things that concern me myself.

I am usually ok at addressing these things, like when he repeatedly calls me beautiful i say "thankyou, thats nice. I'm also clever and kind too". I try not to make him tea if he doesn't say please but usually just do it anyway because it seems so petty and I think that I probably don't say please all the time to him. When he hassles me about driving i tell him that it is my decision and I ask him why he is so insistant and he says things like "it will just make your life so much easier, you will have much more freedom" which is totally true, but for some reason its difficult to feel that my best interests are what is at the heart of it.

It just feels like a lot of effort, i fell like i need to be vigilant all the time of sticking up for my corenr, it is easy to give in and do things his way. I find it weird that I am even having to think about my corner, I really want us to be a team.

Am i being ridiculous and should i be grateful to have a man that is trying to be supportive (maybe just not in the most appropriate way for me) or is this controlling behaviour and should I be warey?

OP posts:
BEAUTlFUL · 10/08/2009 21:42

Oh, for fuck's sake, I've heard it all now. "Boo hoo, my DH just calls me 'beautiful' twice a day, and not 'clever' and 'kind' like I expressly hinted at him to do, weally quite sternly. He also forgets, in the course of our long, steady welationship, to say 'pwease' in weturn for a cup of tea every single time he asks me to make him one. This is all vewwy, vewwy important and I think he is gaslighting me. This is a weal condition, I know that, because there's an ebook about it, so it must be twoo."

Slap yourself, you dippy cow. Buck up, get a bloody driving license and learn a bit of sassiness instead of this wet nonsense. I was terrified of driving too, but I got a lovely instructor from BSM and we laughed our way through every lesson till I passed first time, aged 35. It is SO much better. You'll never realise how much better life is when you can drive, until you bite the bullet and book a lesson.

And SGB, you have hit a new low with your man-hating bile. You really would have murdered this man? With an axe? For calling his wife "beautiful" and forgetting to say "please" every time she makes him tea? In which case, I think you lost the ability to see men as "people" a long time ago.

BEAUTlFUL · 10/08/2009 21:46

eBay the bike and use the cash to pay for some driving lessons.

AnyFucker · 10/08/2009 21:49

beautiful, what happened to you ?

have you undergone a personality change since the last time I saw a post of yours ?

gosh, that outburst was a bit

warthog · 10/08/2009 22:06

wtf beautiful?!?!?! uncalled for.

i don't know about gaslighting, but sounds to me like he's acting too much like a parent and you are rebelling against being treated like a child.

AnyFucker · 10/08/2009 22:13

I get the feeling that sgb really rather likes men

just not men who like to be in control all the time, and act like a baby when things don't go their way......

tbh, a man who gives compliments does not cancel out manipulative behaviour...

BEAUTlFUL · 10/08/2009 22:13

Eeek, sorry. I'm premenstrual.

Nameychangey, I apologise for taking the piss out of you. Your hidden identity probably caused me to lash out more than I normally would. And I'm premenstrual. And I'm envious of your bike. And the fact that your DH calls you "beautiful" and says mushy stuff constantly. If he doesn't say "please", can't you just say, "Oi you, manners!" or something? And not get so bogged-down in it all?

At least he's complimenting you and buying you presents that show a desire to spend time with you.

There are ebooks on bloody everything. It's not that hard to get a book published, so I'm always dubious of ebook authors.

I think I should go to bed and sleep for a week. I'm getting horrible lately. Sorry.

AnyFucker · 10/08/2009 22:16

lol beautiful, thank Gawd for that, I thought my pc had malfunctioned or summat

I do agree a little bit however, OP's sudden "lightbulb moment" does seem a little too err, convenient and a teensy bit staged

GrendelsMum · 10/08/2009 22:29

NameChangey - do you think that you and your husband have let yourselves get into an adult - child relationship? Or rather, perhaps, adult - teenager? Frankly, based on your brief description, you sound as though you're both being equally irritating. Within the context of your relationship, you're the dull and whiny teenager and he is the pushy and overbearing dad.

NotPlayingAnyMore · 10/08/2009 23:04

Cycling - presumably you have enough in common anyway, but even if you didn't, you don't have to like everything he does anyway.
Admittedly, there are times when you have to do things you'd prefer not to in any relationship, but that doesn't mean it's him who has the only say in what that should be either.

Lifts - I wonder if this will become (for want of a far better expression) a stick to beat you with regarding the driving lessons?
As in "you have to learn because I keep having to collect you"?

Sticking your heels in - I'm not sure I'd agree it was necessarily "for the sake of it" - I wouldn't be surprised if it was an unconscious strategy both yourself and your MIL have to reclaim your control over the conversation when you're put on the spot with his impatience.

Tea - well, of course it'll sound petty to anyone who doesn't have to put up with it! If he should know that you mean please, he should know that it won't kill him or make him any less of a man to say it in the first place. You're right about the kids: if this isn't nipped in the bud, they way he talks to you and his mum will be the way they talk to you one day.

I'm rather concerned at how a DH complimenting his wife and doing his share is seen as a bonus for which the woman should be all-forgiving and anything else is just ungrateful

I can only assume that some haven't been subject to the darker side of some charmers - and thankfully so - but unfortunately I also think there's a few people on this thread who could say they recognise this behaviour.

MaggieBelleVirgo · 10/08/2009 23:14

I haven't read all the replies, but my controlling x did everything he could to PREVENT me from learning to drive.

Maybe he's just really annoying??

AnyFucker · 10/08/2009 23:15

excellent post NPAM

I can't remember which thread, but it was a couple of wks ago where I said "beware the overly-attentive charmer"

MaggieBelleVirgo · 10/08/2009 23:16

sorry, that was not helpful. even if he's not an outright nasty bully, he obviously sees himself in one light, and casts you in a role, and you have to play the role that is the foil to his role iyswim, so yes, very annoying and I don't blame you for feeling tired of it all.

toomanystuffedbears · 11/08/2009 15:34

"He would do anything for me"...except ...respect you for being an independent, intelligent human being. You are not an extension of him, you are an individual with your own brain.

He is dismissive and it is a power play for him.

Buying the bike after knowing you don't want it: so now you have to, because he bought the bike, he won? I don't know if that is actually Passive/aggressive or not but it is certainly manipulative (I call it cramming it down your throat). Good for you for leaving it.

The repetitive compliments would begin to lack sincerity at some point, wouldn't they? Possibly, that is playing nice-nice so maybe you won't notice he is treating you (as others have suggested) like a child (makes him superior). Especially if the compliments consistently follow the same script, I would begin to suspect a hidden agenda or at least feel a bit invisible if he is reciting "compliments because he is supposed to" as if he read it in a magazine somewhere. It is hard to find the right words ...or perhaps: isn't he so good for saying the compliment, instead of actually sincerely complimenting you? It is about him, not you.

You are not being ridiculous. You are entitled to your feelings, what ever they are. And I think we all know the gut feelings (smothered) are rarely wrong.

SGB

OhBling · 11/08/2009 15:44

Um, okay, I'm going to look at this from the other side. A lot of your post rang true for me... but with me as your DP and DH in your role.

I get so frustrated with DH because he complains about something, but doesn't do anything about it and I will sometimes try to push him to get on with it. Or I will ask him to do something and he turns it into this whole big thing when really, if he just put a little thought into it, really, it's not a big deal.

I'm not saying it's right, but that I feel that way sometimes.

My overwhelming feeling here is that yes, he's pushing you too hard but that you need to make some effort too. You sound like you're digging your heels in for no good reason. You admit that you would like to drive but are too nervous to get around to it - perhaps DP knows you can do it but that you just need to get your confidence? Perhaps he feels that because you own a car, you shouldn't have to take the bus, but as you refuse to drive, he has to come fetch you? Maybe he'd quite like it if you drove sometimes so that he could have a drink, or didn't have to worry about picking up the children?

These things aren't necessarily legitimate. [eg I know my DH thinks that because he hates taking the bus I obviously must hate it too while quite truthfully, I like the bus and if it's convenient, I'd far rather take it than have him come pick me up because frankly, him picking me up is a nightmare.] but I think that you don't seem to make any effort to understand why he is so insistent. If you understood that, you could address the underlying issue - the why might be legitimate and you might decide, "okay, yes, he's right". Or it might be absolutely ridiculous and you'll be able to explain to him that just because taking the bus is his worst nightmare doesn't mean you feel the same.

nameychangey · 11/08/2009 17:52

Ok.

BEAUTIFUL No need to apologise. You called it like you saw it, no offence taken.

IMO, if a person starts a thread titled 'an I ungrateful' and is obviously worried about being ungrateful, its unlikely she is the sort of person who moans because her partner doesn't tell her she's beautiful AND kind AND clever. I would think there was more going on. But that doesn't really matter. I probably didn't explain it very well.

The best way I can think to describe it is...
Imagine that you are having an argument with your DP. You're off on a rant about something really important to you, and he says "I'm sorry but I'm not listening to what you're saying because your just so damn beautiful when you argue." You might think "Awww, that's lovely, he thinks I'm beautiful" and forget what you were saying and go and have sex. But the essence is, he didn't listen to what you were saying. You might not feel so good about being called beautiful if it felt like he was using that to distract you from the argument. That's how i feel when he calls me beautiful. I don't feel good about something that should make me feel good.

I don't know if that even makes sense but its the best way I can explain it.

AnyFucker, I know it does sound staged, it feels like a light bulb moment to me too, so I'm not going to talk about it any more.

To use the tea thing for an example, I am now going to say to DH that he needs to say please when he's asking me to get him a cup of tea. i don't care is he thinks thats unreasonable, it is very reasonable to me. He has 3 choices. he can do what I've asked, he can make his own tea, or he can shout and swear and huff and puff and tell me to pack my bags and go because i am too unreasonable to live with. (A bit over dramatic but thats the essence of it.)
If the situation was reversed, he can tell me to stand on my head, turn round three times, curtsey and ask him to please make him a cup of tea. It doesn't mean I have to do it. i have the same options he does (and the additional option of calling the men in white coats!).

This might sound very simple, it sounds very simple to me. All i can do to explain is that when its something so little like this, I just make tea because I don't want an argument, or him to go in the huff. Now I've realised that its not just the tea, it has spread to so many areas of my life. I've been totally compromising myself all because i don't like arguments and i don't like him shouting. I now know i have the right to be treated in any way I want, even if other people think that's unreasonable. They don't have to do what i ask and i have to live with the consequences of that (shouting, huffing etc) and decide whether i feel so strongly about it that i wwill take those consequences.

So I am going to go away and enjoy my holiday, many thanks to everyone who has posted but I'm not going to look at this thread again. i need to trust my own opinions, and looking at other peoples makes me doubt myself which i can't afford to do right now because i'm just starting to trust myself.

So thanks again everyone for your insights xxx

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 11/08/2009 17:56

if you are peeking, nc, I hope you have had your lightbulb moment and you make some positive changes that suit you

good luck xx

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