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How to handle a bullying ex? Help! (long)

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spacedonkey · 23/05/2005 11:43

I don't know where to start with this really. I split up with my husband six years ago after an unhappy 11 year marriage. We have two children (now 14 and 11). For reasons that are much too complicated to go into the children went to live with him almost 6 months ago (potted version of events - I moved with the children to London for work reasons, they hated it, I had a breakdown, was made redundant, the kids wanted to go back to their old schools and live with their dad and I agreed to it, thinking it might be good for them and him).

The reason I am posting is that I am utterly and completely pissed off with my ex's behaviour and I need to rant. The split was acrimonious and he is still incredibly bitter about it. I know you're only hearing my side of things here, but he was an AWFUL husband. He refused to get a job in the whole time we were together, so when ds was a year old I went back to work and college because I was sick of being poor and feeling there was no future for our family. God only knows why I stayed with him for so long. I was 20 when I married him. Far too young. I was 23 when I had dd, and once the children came along I felt I owed it to them to give the marriage my best shot. But I lost all respect for him over time - because he made no effort to support me and the children financially, then accused me of being "selfish" when I went back to work and college. When I was pregnant with dd (our first), he told me he thought he was bisexual and wanted to sleep with the bloke living in the flat downstairs (!). Although I don't think that actually happened, this became a recurring theme over the years that followed, and, honestly, I don't think I ever forgave him for telling me that at a time when I felt so vulnerable and scared about the future, and needed him to affirm his commitment to me and our child, not tell me he wasn't sure about his sexuality.

We went through two long bouts of relationship counselling during our marriage, which was helpful in many ways, but nothing could have saved that relationship. I was growing older and realising I didn't want him, I didn't respect or even like him any more. Eventually I met someone else. I told my husband 2 weeks later (I should have had the guts to end it before getting involved with someone else, I know). He threw me out and the kids followed to live with me at my mum's. Ironically, he went out and got a job almost immediately - something he had never been prepared to do when we were together. Understandably he was full of rage at my betrayal.

The trouble is, six years later he is still full of rage. Since we separated he has come out as gay and has had a number of gay relationships. I don't have a problem with that and neither have the kids, but I do wonder why the hell he doesn't seem able to see that, despite the fact I was the one who betrayed him, he had betrayed me in so many ways before that. We have spoken about this a number of times since we broke up, and a number of times he has admitted that he was a terrible husband, and that it wasn't all my fault really, but then a few weeks later he is back to ranting and raving about me as if that conversation hadn't taken place.

Now I don't care if he hates me, as long as he doesn't drag the kids into it. But he does. He has said dreadful things about me both to the children and in front of them ("she's a f*ing slag/liar/bitch" etc). And now he has decided he doesn't want to talk to me any more, so he uses our daughter as a messenger. That's OK about minor things, but he expects her to talk to me about financial matters. I tell dd that I won't talk to her about things like that because it is parents' business, not something she should have to worry about. She goes back to him and repeats that, and he gets angry about it.

I am so sick of this situation. I wish I could get my children and run away with them so none of us ever have to see him again, but the kids love him, he is their dad, so I can't. For six years I have been scared to rock the boat, so I've pandered to him because, if I don't, he screams and shouts in front of the children. He has never paid any child support (his argument being that he shouldn't have to pay it because his babysitting services equate to what he would be paying), and I have never chased him for it for fear of the consequences. This is why I haven't divorced him yet. I have realised he is nothing but a bully.

Now my kids are living with him - naively I thought it might be good for him AND them. What a stupid mistake!

When I talk about this to friends/family the only consolation they can offer is that one day the children will realise the truth of the situation for themselves.

Can anyone offer any advice about how I could get this relationship onto a more equal footing, or, if not, how to cope with his constant undermining of me and my relationship with the children? I would really like to divorce him - although this would inevitably rock the boat I've been so scared to rock, perhaps it would force things to a head, perhaps that would be a good thing? He is the father of my children, I will always have to deal with him - how can I deal with him without feeling bullied, manipulated and, most of all, in fear for the emotional wellbeing of my children?

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dinosaur · 03/06/2005 16:58

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franke · 03/06/2005 17:04

It's like a 'lightbulb' moment isn't it? I eventually lost touch with my father and my life improved in many ways once that happened (I'm not suggesting it's a good thing to do, but it worked for me). I think once you shake free of such a strong, negative force in your life you begin to realise that you are a nice person and that many people do actually like you and value you. Incredible isn't it that one person can wreak such havoc?

spacedonkey · 03/06/2005 17:06

Yes it really is incredible. My own dad left when I was 4 and I never saw or heard from him again (until I tracked him down last year, but that's another story), so I always thought that no matter what my children should have their dad - at least that would be better than no dad at all. Now I'm wondering if I was right!

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Fio2 · 03/06/2005 17:15

spacedonkey you NEED to get divorced. he will continue to be manipulative and controlling until you do this. IMO he is taking out his problems with being gay on you. What a truly awful situation Have you tried family mediation in respect of the children? ie. would this make him see how damaging his behaviour is to them?

spacedonkey · 03/06/2005 17:16

I would like to try family mediation Fio but i don't know how to go about it, would a solicitor be able to advise about that? And does it cost?

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franke · 03/06/2005 17:17

I think that's something your kids will decide for themselves much later. But once his need for an intermediary is gone (i.e. you are divorced) perhaps the relationship with their dad will even out again and something can be salvaged.
All you can do is exactly what you are already doing - be there for them and listen to them if things aren't going so well and make sure they feel completely sure of your love and support.

ninah · 03/06/2005 17:17

I totally agree with Fio and I think divorce is a way forward too.

Fio2 · 03/06/2005 17:18

think the best thing would be to ask either CAB or relate

I was also a messenger for BOTH of my parents and tbh it has still left me with insecurities about myself. that obv isnt helped by the fact i still let my bully of a father into my head

Fio2 · 03/06/2005 17:20

I know there is a family mediation service in the next town to me and I am sure it is charity run. Have you looked in the yellow pages?

spacedonkey · 03/06/2005 17:20

No, but I will, and I'll go to the CAB as soon as possible. I can't thank you all enough for your posts >

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ninah · 03/06/2005 17:21

I am in Colchester sd, so let me know if you do move back this way!

Fio2 · 03/06/2005 17:22

you must be a saint spacedonkey for putting up with it for so long

Fio2 · 03/06/2005 17:24

here are some numbers for colchester

dinosaur · 03/06/2005 17:24

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spacedonkey · 03/06/2005 17:24

I'm in SW London now, but I'll have a good look at that websiute thanks. And I'm definitely not a saint!

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Fio2 · 03/06/2005 17:25

just thought he might agree to it as it was closer to him!

spacedonkey · 03/06/2005 17:25

YES PLEASE DINOSAUR!

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ninah · 03/06/2005 17:26

yes well if I can help from this end I will, but as children are staying with you prob not nec. That's VERY good news!

dinosaur · 03/06/2005 17:26

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Fio2 · 03/06/2005 17:27

this is south west london

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