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am I overreacting? Would I be mad to end my marriage over this?

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YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 23/06/2009 11:15

Ok, this could well be the straw that broke the camel's back. This is not the only reason to finally call it a day (as some of you may recall from other threads).

Bit of background:-

H has been depressed for nearly 2 years, he had never been before and it came out of the blue. As this time passed I persuaded him to get help (counselling and ADs) and supported him through it. Unfortunately he became increasingly emotionally abusive towards me (his depression was my fault, I was told not to cry around him as I was making him worse, he basically wanted me to support him completely whilst giving me nothing back). Then the anger started and I found myself dealing with a man who would scream very aggressively in my face over the smallest thing.

After a year of this I had a bit of a breakdown back in Feb. But having gotten myself a bit of counselling I am now really together, confident and, well, happy (apart from about this, obviously).

Did I say that I was pregnant throughout most of that? Well I was. She's now 6 weeks old and lovely.

H moved out for a while, but having been thrown out by the guy he was lodging with (for being too untidy and treating the place with no respect), I agreed to let him stay in ds2's room under certain conditions. We are not "together" and I do not receive any emotional support from him - and any I offer is on my own terms. I do feel in control of the situation.

H helps with the housework as well as working full time, and professes to love me and want me back, but finds it hard to demonstrate that love. We are civil to each other and occasionally even enjoy each other's company, but not very often.

So - to my point (sorry about the essay) - I do all the nights with dd (not a problem and I wouldn't have it any other way) as well as looking after all three of the dcs throughout the day. I do my fair share of the housework as well.

The only time I really have to myself is when I'm in the bath (a luxury that I will not give up!). Ok, this seems like a really small thing, and it never bothered me hugely, but H always interrupts me at least once to ask something that could have waited, or to find something to do in there, or he plays loud music, or whatever. It's not a major problem really, but it would be nice to have the time completely to myself.

So, during a conversation about how he could "win me back" I asked that while I was in the bath could I be left uninterrupted for the whole time...

You'd think I'd asked for him to give up work and watch the DCs fulltime while I went on holiday for a year. He was offended by my request. He asked what I would say if he had asked for the same thing. I told him that he had, just 2 weeks ago when he said he wanted an hour every evening to go jogging. And that not only did I say yes, I was enthusiastic and encouraging about it too! He said that you never get time off from being a mother. I told him he was a patronising twunt.

He then apologised profusely, but when I got up to go to bed he added, "But what would you have said if I'd asked for some time just for me?".

So, he has demonstrated that he 'doesn't get it'. I feel he has no respect for me or appreciation of what it is I do all day (and all night). He says he loves me, but he can't show it.

In all honesty he has been a much better man in the past 2 months, but I fear this is the beginning of a decline to previous behaviour. I feel like he's just revealed a glimpse of how he really thinks of me.

Am I overreacting? Is this just a lack of sleep and hormones?

Am I a mug?

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MaggieBeau · 23/06/2009 12:08

ps, now that I'm a single mother Of course I do all the nights (bad dreams, water, resettling, whatever) all the getting dressed, meals, snacks, washing, homework, bathing, stories, teethbrushing, everything and yet, it doesn't seem so hard as it used to when I was seething with resentment that I did 100% of it.

This guy not only has depression, but he has narcissistic personality disorder.

If you were my sister, I would change the locks on your house and tell this guy to run off and SAP the lifeblood out of somebody else's sister please.

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 23/06/2009 12:08

silverlining - to say it's all complicated is an understatement. That's exactly how I feel about my bath too, glad I'm not alone in that (or the bubble beards ).

squeaver, yup. From his point of view he's seeing it as a one off "slip". Whereas I'm seeing it as him revealing his true thoughts. I just don't see how you can love someone selfishly.

Maggie, thank you. I am keeping my focus on the good bits - and the second that starts to slip I'll be on here for an MN shake.

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MaggieBeau · 23/06/2009 12:11

Do you feel that you owe it to him to carry him (although that's not how he sees it!).

Your contentment is a big personal sacrafice to make, merely for his happiness convenience. He wouldn't appreciate it. He'll never appreciate it.

cestlavielife · 23/06/2009 12:13

curious to know how he presents the situation to other people? does he present it as you "back together"? rfers to you as his "wife"? do you refer to him as "ex h"?

however clear in your mind it is, i am pretty sure it is not clear in his - talks of "how to win back" he says he "loves" you etc. as others said actions speak louder than words.

when my ex came back to family home for xmas 2007 after being in his home country for several months after significant depression/breakdown whatever...he was back to "see the children" in my view; - temporary - sleeping in other bedroom etc. he said he accepted this - but reality was he did not. became more and more abusive etc.

family therapists told me time and time again i wasnt being clear enough to him - however much in my mind it was obvious.

he just didnt get it - because the reality he wanted to believe was based on us being together. so while he was in same property - we were together (however much we were not, not sharing bed etc). even when i moved out - he still believed we were together.

however bizarre it may seem, like yours, my ex's view of reality was distorted.

have him move out again, permamenently, set clear boundaries for visits. make it about him seeing the children, not seeing you.

is v difficult - but you need to make those steps - as you did previously... and dont assume he actually understands it the way you do.

Blackduck · 23/06/2009 12:15

The bathroom thing made me . In this house we don't have to LOCK the door, simply close it. If it is closed the message is 'bugger off and leave me in peace' and that really isn't too much to ask...Would be a deal breaker for me....

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 23/06/2009 12:15

MB perhaps I used to think I owed it to him. But now I want it to work for me IYSWIM. So if it isn't working then there is no motive for me to keep trying forever (whereas before there was).

It may not seem like it, but a lot has changed in the past few months, it's just a case of it not being enough of a change.

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MaggieBeau · 23/06/2009 12:17

Don't enter into conversations about how he can win you back.

Tell him that 'he's exhausted you. Propping him up and stifling your own tears has left your tank completely empty'.

My also has a completely distorted mindset!! For the first while, after I left, it upset me that he didn't suddenly SEE things clearly, but over time, you start to care less and less. I have freedom now, not just from him, but freedom in my head.

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 23/06/2009 12:21

cestlavie - most of his friends don't even know we're "having problems" let alone that it's over. His family don't know either - mine do as do all my friends. He is utterly delusional about it and still tries to kiss me etc. sometimes (despite my firm "we are not together do not do that").

I think you're right about the boundaries.

Blackduck, our situation is a little different since before all this (God, was there a before all this?!) we used to often chat while I had a bath. So it wasn't the case that I was hugely disturbed by him coming in, but I am enormously upset by his reaction to my asking to be left in peace for a little time every day.

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Kimi · 23/06/2009 12:23

You are not overacting in the least, he is a selfish git and saying "but I'm depressed" is not a get out.

I think you should ask him to leave, and then you decide if you want him back and on what terms

Blackduck · 23/06/2009 12:38

YouKnow - we chat in the bath too, but the rule is 'door closed, bugger off' and I think your H needs to get that message. Nothing is worse than having your personal space envaded and lets be honest, with children you spend YEARS not being able to go for a pee in peace let alone anything else....Agree with everyone else depression is no excuse for bad behaviour and ignoring simple requests.

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 23/06/2009 12:52

Kimi, I agree.

Blackduck, you're right it is an invasion, and a blurring of boundaries. Oh to pee alone! Of that I can only dream

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cestlavielife · 23/06/2009 14:23

"most of his friends don't even know we're "having problems" let alone that it's over. "

see - your heading asks "Would I be mad to end my marriage over this?" implying you still married. and you considering ending it...

yet you also believe it is already over.

so you kind of in a "separation" phase?

so maybe to him it isnt so clear. in a way you being too nice to him, lettting him stay etc. and he interprets that as having another chance...

espec when his mind maybe isnt functioning totally on the ball ie has had mental health issues?

i do know how difficult it is - when my ex weedled his way in, and i let him stay...i thought i was doing it for the children, thought he would respect me, etc - it was such a big mistake.

the bathroom issue is just a symptom of a bigger issue i think.

if you are separated - and you believe you are because you say "it is over" - then it makes no sense for him to still be there under your roof, annoying you and not respecting you.
because he isnt someone who "gets it".

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 23/06/2009 15:56

cest - you're right. There have been far too many blurred boundaries. Words don't affect him so he needs clear lines drawn in the sand.

He'll be home soon. Thanks for words of wisdom.

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MaggieBeau · 23/06/2009 17:56

I agre you are being too decent to this guy. Tell him that he has to move out. Don't get drawn into a huge analysis. You know it's over. These discussions about the relationship are so exhausting and you've had millions and they'r so pointless.

Pick a phrase that can't be argued with.. Something along the lines of "I want us to split up properly now" and just keep repeating it ad infinitum in the face of everything he says/whinges/pleads/reasons in his favour.

He's not happy either is he?!

Nahui · 23/06/2009 20:02

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SolidGoldBrass · 23/06/2009 22:59

Yup, get him out. It's not that he doesn;t 'understand' your point of view, it's that he doesn't want to understand. Because he thinks that only his wants and needs matter, and that it's your job to look after him. Because you are a 'woman' and therefore that's what you are for. It's fairly classic abuser behaviour to ignore any request you make for consideration and blame you for having made it: abusers have this massive sense of entitlement in couple-relationships and never lose it.

expatinscotland · 23/06/2009 23:06

Well, you do have a point in there, solidgold.

I remember once, and only once, I went out with a verbally abusive man (it didn't last long, needless to say).

And we had a row and he stormed off to a pub and got steaming drunk.

The next day, he had a horrible hangover.

And the first thing he said was that it was my fault.

I said, 'Oh, yeah, I put a gun to your head and made you go drink. Fuck me gently with a chainsaw, you assflap.'

expatinscotland · 23/06/2009 23:07

Pardon my French .

expatinscotland · 23/06/2009 23:07

And if you are on Income Support, kick him out tomorrow.

SenoraPostrophe · 23/06/2009 23:10

I think you are over-reacting a bit actually.

He is being very self-centered, and if he was still generally expecting you to do all the giving then I'd probably agree that you should show him the door, but it sounds like he simply hasn't properly understood where you are yet. perhaps he never will. but he might.

as it goes, in general, I'd say 6 weeks after giving birth is the wrong time to make any life-changing decisions. Give it a month.

CHOCOLATEPEANUT · 23/06/2009 23:11

sounds selfish to the core

get rid
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expatinscotland · 23/06/2009 23:12

If you are on Income Support, you need him out asap as if he has moved back in you could be setting yourself up for grief.

There was a poster on here some time ago who did that and then when she kicked him out again his family were pissed off at her and grassed her and she nearly got in trouble!

2rebecca · 24/06/2009 10:20

If he's been depressed for 2 years is it really depression or more negative thought patterns he's got into. Most people who talk about being depressed for "years" have attitude and personality problems rather than a depressive illness that usually responds well to antidepressants and cognitive therapy.
If you don't enjoy his company and don't really love him I'm not sure why you're letting this guy live with you.
You don't give any positive reasons to stay with him in your post. He's neither a financial nor an emotional support for you and sounds quite selfish and immature.

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 24/06/2009 10:27

Don't worry expat, not on income support so no risks there. Senora that is why I posted on here, I appreciate that it is very soon after dc3's arrival - but that's also partly the problem, insofar as this is him on his absolutely best behaviour and I am still left feeling unappreciated and disrespected in general.

We have talked. He apologised for what he had said and I told him that I completely forgave him for saying it, but that it was a sign of how he really feels towards me, and that that is never going to be ok. I'm taking the children away for the summer as soon as school breaks up, and when I get back he will be gone.

I'm happy to leave it until then and this was my suggestion not his.

Am I secretely hoping that he will turn it all around before then? Of course I am! I'm a complete idiot and a hopeless romantic! Will I crumble if it doesn't? Nope.

That way it'll be a bit further from dc3's birth and I can have things a bit more organised.

Thanks to everyone who answered.

expat, I love your French

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