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just been told I'm "too much of a nag" and "no fun anymore" and doesn't knoe if he still loves me, am 6 months pg with 2nd child, not angry just aghast at how shallow and horrible he's being

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minxofmancunia · 27/05/2009 22:53

Haven't even argued back, have been shouted at and told how I'm not the woman he married for the past 2 hours before he stormed off to bed.

he said some really cruel things, was nasty last time I was pg but because i left then came back i thought he'd changed. says he doesn't want a "hard work life" juat wants to have fun "lifes to short to be worrying about the house/garden/work etc. all the time" "I'm neurotic and obssessed".

he went on and on and on even when i begged for a break he just carried on.

I lov emy dd so much and I really thought he loved me but not any more, he's so F**king inconsistent, unless it's all lovey dovey and perfect he can't hack it. Yes I AM a bit OCD when pg but can't he just try to be a bit understanding.

Contemplating childbirth and parenting alone and skint, and terrified.

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minxofmancunia · 27/05/2009 23:46

I compromised if you want to call it that for years, he's literally the messiest person ever. When i got pg with dd i said things have to change, I needed help and he agreed.

My main point is I would never threaten to leave because he was having a hard time or he wasn't "fun" enough. I'd tell him my point but not threaten to walk off because he wanted things tidier/more organised. I wouldn't think of ending a 10 year relationship over that. Makes me think it's more than that and that makes me v .

I always thought despite our rows he really loves me, I love him, he's my best friend, or he was. Just feel v lonely, family are a bit shit, juat me and dd really at the end of the day.

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BitOfFun · 27/05/2009 23:47

I've got to say I do see skidoodle's point of view here. Would of help to try and see it from another perspective?

minxofmancunia · 27/05/2009 23:52

I do see it from another perspective, i keep my mouth shut about a lot of stuff, i lowered my "OCDness" as i can see it's excessive and causes rows.

Skidoodle that is your opinion fair enough, there are some things i happen to think are lazy and mil is one of them, you don't know of the horrendous time we BOTH have with her over various issues, myself and dh, she causes both of us a lot of stress. my mum can be a nightmare too, it's hard.

And we have a difference of opinion, i think sitting around in a load of mess is squalid I'm afraid. And I'm only asking for a bit of help at the end of the day to make it nicer. Say 20 mins? Not OCD surely.

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hobbgoblin · 27/05/2009 23:55

You have a cleaner. I don't and on top of that my children probably make more mess than your DH is capable of plus I am probably way lazier than you, so you CANNOT be living in that much of a mess. If he and his mother are THAT slovenly why on earth are you married to this man?

You either love him for what he is or you don't. The same could be said of him regarding you but I am getting the impression that you were never always this uptight about 'mess', right? Maybe he feels a bit confused and possibly a bit...conned, for want of a better word.

Believe me, if you love him as much as you say it is not worth driving him away for the sake of a mopped floor. My house is tidy right now but it is empty save 3 children sleepign upstairs. You think that's better than a messy place with someone to go and snuggle up in bed with?

skidoodle · 27/05/2009 23:56

But you did leave him because he wasn't tidy enough, even though you knew he wasn't a tidy person when you married him.

minxofmancunia · 27/05/2009 23:58

he says I've changed hobgoblin but the main thing that's changed is that when I met him i had significant bouts of depression and yet despite this worked all the time (like a 70 hour week). I used to do most stuff but when I got pg i asked for some help which he agreed to.

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minxofmancunia · 28/05/2009 00:00

no skidoodle the reasons i left him were a lot more complex that that, it was one of many issues that he agreed to make more of an effort on.

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ravenAK · 28/05/2009 00:01

Right, OK, you are working, pg & absolutely knackered. No, 20 mins help is not at all BU.

But you really could relax on the daily mopping etc. Just chuck dd's toys in a big basket, shove it out of sight, & give dh the laundry to put away.

Then curl up in front of the telly or something.

it'd be unsporting to be the first to point out that it's going to get messier with 2, but I'm afraid it will.

minxofmancunia · 28/05/2009 00:06

anyway thanks for your replies am going to try to sleep now.

The reason i posted in this section was becauseI wasn't really looking for a discussion although wanted advice was just v upset, shocked at what he said.

I appreciate peoples honest responses anyway. Will think about it.

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hobbgoblin · 28/05/2009 00:10

I am a perfectionist. The lazy kind. I get unbelievably stressed by myself when I do not achieve accepted levels of performance whether that be parenting, housekeeping, whatever. When I was 19 I moved in with the love of my life. We were under pressure because we were young and had little money and so on. I began to nag him about frikkin laundry amongst other things. I stopped being fun and I stopped being me. I didn't even think I cared that much about the laundry but somewhere for some ridiculous perfectionist OCD bollocksy reason I seemed to. He left and to this day I regret what I did, but I really don't think I could have stopped myself at the time. This was my coping mechanism.

Control and perfectionsim are still issues for me as are mild OCD traits. These days I tend to stop eating but that's another matter...

The thing is, I recognise this in me now and can do a small amount about it. I realise that the togetherness and the being with someone you love is always going to be far more important than ANYTHING else. I have never been with anyone since who was worth loving you know. I totally lost my opportunity there.

Being on your own because you drive the man you love away means you do ALL the chores on your own, you do see that don't you? And you don't even get a hug afterwards.

Now, I'm not suggesting you let him sit there and be waited upon or that you keep house to keep a man happy. What I am saying is that you don't appear to be able to let these things go for the SAKE of being together with a man who loves you and whom you love and have children with. If he walks then you will suddenly realise that NOTHING you are stressing about in this thread is worth that. The unnecessary loneliness will become all too clear the minute it is too late.

blinks · 28/05/2009 00:38

sounds like he's very defensive.

he's trying to make his slovenly ways into your problem to throw you off the scent.

attack is the best line of defense, hence going at you verbally...

you have a few choices- you could assign tasks to him, eg you do the tidying while i do the laundry OR you could accept that he does chuff all, cleaning/laundry-wise but expect all cooking/diy to be done by him OR you could ask him to assign tasks to you, making him take some responsibility for he household duties. i don't think accepting his current lack of contribution is a feasible option. you'd have to be a saint to put up with it.

i would point out to him that without more support and understanding, particularly while pregnant, you will have to read his hostility and reluctance to take responsibility as a sign of his lack of respect and love for you. his attitude and behaviour makes you question the relationship as a whole and him as a partner.

Chessiers · 28/05/2009 07:20

No matter how OCD or messy either of you are, raging on at you after you've asked him to stop is not ok. The substance of the argument isn't the point right now, though it's worth tackling later. The point is that your partner should have enough respect for you to stop once he's said his piece, and it doesn't take hours to say what he needed to say.

Try and deal with the two things separately. He shouldn't rant at you for hours, particularly once you've asked him to stop. Equally, you shouldn't 'nag' him for hours, especially once he's asked you to stop.

When it comes to the house, you're going to have to compromise. If you can't accept anything below a certain standard and that standard is very different to his, then you might have to just accept that you will always do more around the house. The alternative is to agree on level of cleanliness and order, and the effort required to maintain it, that you can both live with. Perhaps a floor that is swept every night but only mopped every third night, or a laundry schedule that means washing, folding, ironing etc. is confined to two nights a week. Beyond the basic kitchen/toy routine you shouldn't have to clean the house every night. If you really can't live with less than that, then you might have to accept shouldering the load.

mondaymonday · 28/05/2009 07:50

minx - I read your thread and thought you were me! This has been the cause of many a recent argument between DH and I, so I completely understand where you're coming from. btw I'm also from manchester - CAT me if you like

ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 28/05/2009 08:26

Sounds to me like he's a messy lazy dirty fucker who expects his wife to do all the housework. She probably does with minimal complaints except now she's preg and knackered and hormonal she's let it all out and he has responded by calling her 'no fun' and other horrible things.

Sounds like a charmer.

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FabulousBakerGirl · 28/05/2009 08:39

It sounds to me like he is picking on your "obsession" with tidiness as an excuse.

Ranting at you is not okay. If he does it again just leave the room.

I get so stressed when the house is a mess as it makes me feelo inadequate. I am hoping MIL will have the kids tmw while DH is at work so I can get the house partly sorted. Would need days to do it how I would like it.

My house is a tip compared to some. Needs cleaning in parts, tidying, redecorating, etc etc but it is a home and if there was anyone to come round they could relax here.

BitOfFun · 28/05/2009 08:40

I hope you'r feeling a bit better this morning? You need his support,not him ranting at you, don't you? I do hope you manage to talk abut it without getting so upset today.

It's all very well going in all guns blazing if it's really as black and white as him:evil oppressor, you: domestic chattel, but if this is the kind of difference in approach which many couples and even flatmates have (i.e. one will amble into the kitchen after tea and Corrie but the other one can't relax unless the lounge is spotless first) then talking and listening is needed on both sides, not winding yourself up further in righteous ire.

If he really is just a sexist ogre then scratch all that, but it sounds like a different sort of conflict to me.

Anyway, I certainly hope today is better than yeaterday for you.

sayithowitis · 28/05/2009 09:43

Op, I read your thread yesterday and it struck me that you don't actually want advice so much as wanting everyone to tell you that he is wrong and you are right. In one sense,it is not unreasonable to expect some help from him on the housework front,however, you don't come across as someone who is prepared to listen to his POV or to respect his feelings about it. I am not saying thay he should not help you, or that the tidying and cleaning should never get done in the evenings.Just maybe not every evening or to the extent that you want.

I was trying to explain what I mean about the important things in life and tbh, not doing a great job so I decided to check e-mails. When i didso, I found the following that a friend had sent me. It soays what I was trying to but in a much better way than I could.

I agree with others that your DH should not have continued to rant at you when you asked him to stop, but maybe he feels like that about the cleaning you are nagging him about and didn't see the difference between what he did and what you do?

When things in your life seem almost too much to handle,
When 24 hours in a day are not enough,
remember the mayonnaise jar and the 2 glasses of wine...

A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in
front of him. When the class began, wordlessly, he picked up a very large
and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls.
He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was.

The professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into
the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas
between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was
full. They agreed it was.

The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the
jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else He asked once more if
the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous "yes."

The professor then produced two glasses of wine from under the table
and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the
empty space between the sand. The students laughed.

"Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to
recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the
important things; your family, your children, your health, your friends,
and your favourite passions;
things that if everything else was lost and
only they remained, your life would still be full."

The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house,
and your car.
The sand is everything else; the small stuff.

"If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no
room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you
spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have
room for the things that are important to you."

"Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play
with your children.
Take time to get medical checkups.
Take your partner out to dinner.
Play another 18.
Do one more run down the skislope.
There will always be time to clean the house and fix the waste disposal.
Take care of the golf balls first; the things that really matter.
Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."

One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the wine
represented.

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that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a
couple of glasses of wine with a friend."

Share this with a friend - I just did!

BitOfFun · 28/05/2009 09:50

I like that way of looking a the world! < lazy slattern emoticon >

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