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MIND: mental health of men in the recession

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EvenBetaDad · 11/05/2009 09:26

I want to draw everyone's attention to the MIND (mental health charity) campaign this week on the deterioration in the mental health of men due to the recession.

The campaign is called 'Get it of Your Chest' and here is little bit of what they say on their website.

"Mind week is now in full swing, and we?ve just launched important new research into men and mental health. The findings paint a troubling picture:

37 per cent of men are feeling worried or low
men account for 75 per cent of suicides
only 23 per cent of men would see their GP if they felt low for over a fortnight
men were only half as likely to talk to friends about problems as women
31 per cent of men would feel embarrassed about seeking help for mental distress."

I was unsure whether to post this in Dadsnet or Mental Health section but I feel this is something that women need to be very vigilant for and there have been quite a few posts from women recently on MN talking about sudden depression in their DH/DP or him working very long hours and how it is affecting their relationship. I often feelng reading the posts that incredible stress at work and loss of perspective is at the heart of many of the problems.

I feel that women have a very important role to play here in identifyng the early warnng signs, stress, loss of perspective about work, irritability, inreasing levels of alcohol consumption. Getting DH/DP to realise what is happening and getting medical help is really crucial.

The story is being carried by main new channels today including the BBC and also of course the MIND website.

Men (and women of course) are under immense pressure in the workplace with firms displacing the financial pressure on to their workforce. I do not dismiss the mental health impact on women, however, men seem to be particulalrly badly affected and I suspect that is because they are still more often sole breadwinners and men feel they bear the burden of providing for their family the most keenly. Facing constant threats of redundancy or simply unbearable pressure to deliver impossible targets at work it is likely that many men are under great stress. Some will crack and slip into a depressive illness.

Men are also far less likely to talk about emotional issues and or seek medical help. Most just try and soldier on - trying to ignore the problem.

Although I have never suffered depression I have worked in the City and seen many friends relying on alcohol and other drugs to get through the day, suffered incredible levels of stress myself and worked ridiculous hours and lost all perspective at some point with work life balance going out of the window. It is an easy state for a man to slip into. Thankfully I realised what was happening and got out before it affected my mental health.

Anyway, I do encourage everyone to take a good look at their DH/DP and ask if he is showing any early signs of stress related illness or depression. He might not realise what is happening to him.

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Peachy · 12/05/2009 08:18

SGB doesnt have a aprtner, by choice I think

It is part of a relationship; if you married in Church ( I didnt) you make that promise for better or worse and really I think the idea is there in any hopefully permanent relationship. Dh couldnt see he was so very ill, his apranoia / exhaustion / etc were all perfectly justified to him, it really did take an ultimatum to make him get help. the first time anyhow.

If I ever became ill in any way- and we live rurally and I have eyesight issues so possible in a functional way- Dh would do the same for me, thats the whole point isnt it?

screamingabdab · 12/05/2009 18:07

Peachy I hope your DH is doing OK, and I hope you get enough support when times are bad, too.

Peachy · 12/05/2009 19:02

SH is doing magnificently thanks, I am so proud of him- he has been offered a palce on a really great Uni course, is unning his business partt ime and coping excellently

A few years ago this could have killed him, and I feel we are so lucky to have been able to get here

tiredemma · 12/05/2009 19:14

Im a student mental health nurse on my final ever placement at the moment with a Home Tretment/Crisis team.

I cant begin to tell you how many referrals we have had concerning men who now have have significant depressive/stress type issues relating to the recession.

Loss of job, social role, etc etc is creating such HUGE problems for these men who a couple of years ago would never have placed themselves within need of crisis mental health services

walkinthewoods · 12/05/2009 21:23

Solid gold
Your posts are REALLY not helful. I really cannot be bothered to go into the reasons why as most of the other posts cover it.

BUMP

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ABetaDad good on you

EvenBetaDad · 12/05/2009 21:28

tiredmemma - that is a pretty stunning report from the front line. You are doing important work.

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screamingabdab · 12/05/2009 21:31

tiredemma My dad became depressed after he was made redundant at the age of 52.

walkinthewoods · 12/05/2009 21:35

Solid

Sorry just re-read.

Both me AND dp have been made redundant. Today he admitted that he felt 'worthless'. I couldn;t relate to this as I have been caring for our DC's in addition. But when we discussed it, it became blindingly obvious. He is from a traditonal background where men are supposed to be the breadwinner. Take that away and you take away their reason for being. I dont feel the same (being made redundant) because I still look after dc's.

What if I lost my job looking after dc's????

We all have a responsilbilty for both looking after ourselves/DC's/and our DH's DP's.

Men are more inclined to cover their feelings so as women are we not best placed to recognise and act on these signals???

walkinthewoods · 12/05/2009 21:48

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Ready4anotherdecaffCoffee · 12/05/2009 22:17

ABD THANK YOU!!!

Your post and WalkintheWoods posts sum up my dh's current state of mind, and I am printing this all off in the hope he might finally take note

Now any ideas for nudging them towards help?

tiredemma · 13/05/2009 07:05

By Walkinthewoods-
"Both me AND dp have been made redundant. Today he admitted that he felt 'worthless'. I couldn;t relate to this as I have been caring for our DC's in addition. But when we discussed it, it became blindingly obvious. He is from a traditonal background where men are supposed to be the breadwinner. Take that away and you take away their reason for being"

I would say that this seems to be the most common theme amongst the men we currently see.

thesilverlining · 13/05/2009 10:22

evenbetadad - thank you for this - I think we only have to look at the threads on here just now to see that a whole flood of men are having a crisis of sorts.

I for one had realised recently that H is suffering mentally and needs helps first and then maybe condemnation later when he is better.... so as his wife and because I still love him despite him walking out on us I will be doing all I can to help his mental state.

Thank you for pointing out that its an across the board thing not just my H and me

EvenBetaDad · 13/05/2009 12:21

thesilverlining - just read your posts on the other Relationship 'mother or wife' thread which gave the background to what you posted here on this thread. I agreed with everything you said there on the other thread and on here.

I just want to say, I am sorry to hear about what happened and not to blame yourself too much. To your great credit, you are still being loving and supportive to a man who has left you and your post(s) are incredibly generous, mature and balanced despite the fact you have been wronged.

I don't know if here is any chance of reconcilliation once your DH has got some help but I just hope something works out. Sounds like you had a very rough time after DC was born that put pressure on DH but I assume there were other factors/pressures facing him that made it more complicated.

Your case highlights a very imporant point though that men do not react in the same way as women when faced with mental pressure. Men tend to do something irrational and extreme at the breaking point (e.g walking out) - not an excuse for bad behaviour of course but for once I really do agree 'this is a man thing'. Often this extreme irrational action also too tragically leaves a trail of destruction in the immediate family as you have found and for that reason this really is a 'Relationship' issue.

I do hope things start to get better for you, DH and your children soon. I wish you all well.

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thesilverlining · 13/05/2009 13:14

evanbetadad - thank you again-honestly its great to hear that I am doing the right thing from someone! SO many of my female friends - both in RL and cyberspace - have been on the "how dare he do this to you" boat and I admit that I haven't always been as fair to him since he left as I could have been. But I have stopped feelign sorry for myself for 5 mins and realised I can do something about this. SO I appreciate you taking the time to read my other posts and for commenting here - it makes me feel more determined to continue. I have wobbly moments where I think "sod him" and think only of how I feel - its hard not to feel hard done by but by doing that I could throw away a chance of reconciliation - so its important I at least try - for all our sakes.

walkinthewoods · 13/05/2009 20:05

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