What is wrong with MEN!!

[Janos]

OK, not all men..before I get flamed. Just thought that was catchier.

I'm shocked and upset by so many of the stories on here. Men cheating on their wives, lying to them, stealing from them, physically abusing them, calling them vile names, walking out seemingly without any thought of responsibility for their children.

What the hell is wrong with them!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't quite know what the point of this thread is except to offer support.

apart from everything you mean? lol

There's nothing wrong with us, we're all great. As for the women... (joke!)

I wouldn't worry too much about 'fathersnet'.

I went and had a look at a dads site once and the most up to date thread had 12 posts on it and had been going for a month!!!!!!

i can understand your frustration Janos and you know what, i think there are alot of bastards out there right now. WMF, Hub2Dee, HD, BGD, BITBBH excluded of course ..

but seriously, yes. the stories on here are really depressing and my dw has some mates who's DH's are a complete waste's of skin. i don't really understand it. i thought we were supposed to be in a new age!

i was speaking to an old friend back home on Saturday and he was harping on about his best mate who has moved out of the house leaving his dw with a 2mth old baby because he felt that she was being 'spoilt' and required him to 'look after her hand and foot' when he got back from his 9-5 job everyday. my mate was barking on about 'hey, you know, he works all day, she can't expect to just hand the baby over to him when he gets home and expect him to take care of it all night'...!!!... he can't even begin to fathom how knackered she must be and he's simply being a big wussy. he needs to step up to the plate and be a man.

i can go on about this forever.

we have a next door neighbour to has three seriously unruly kids. she's loses it on a regular basis, screaming that she needs time on her own for just an hour or two and so on and so forth. the DH is such a wet lettuce that he never takes them anywhere, never plays with them in their huge garden, i never see him in the park directly across the road... it makes my blood boil.

rant over.

According to Stephen Biddulph the whole generation of men now in their 30's and 40's are the result of a change in society that they just weren't prepared for.

They were brought up with parents who had set roles...mum as domestic godess and dad as emotionally unavailable breadwinner. Then in the 80's women became career crazed and started to compete in every way. As teenagers they felt confused, threatened, undermined, etc.

Anyway....apparently the whole thing has evened out a bit now. Women realising they can't have it all....men realising they are valued and do have a place. Mums like us bringing up well adjusted boys who are confident and prepared for life ahead.

I see our suffering as a blip and look forward to our daughters enjoying life with a whole new generation of super men!

Perhaps complete b***cks????

that makes alot of sense, it really does. things changed quickly. dw expects me to be a much different dh than what my mum expected of my father.

i think i'm ok because my dad was a very loving very kind guy. saying that though, he was still away alot and expected mum to move to another town whenever he felt he wanted a move, with no input from her.

My mum was the main influence when i was growing up, as my dad died when i was 6. She taught me and my brother to be much more enlightened and self sufficient than any of my mates are.

we're just fantastic though aren't we HD

I have to agree, DC.

yet again, we injected enough testostorone into this thread to kill it dead.

lets keep up the good work

Doesn't the fact that a fair few men (or even many) were able to keep up with the changes and remain civilized considerate humans rather undermine Steve Biddulph's well-thought out excuse?

And women seemed to manage to cope with change at that rate!

In BluHouse, I am wondering how many CD's a man considers 'enough'.

i blame their wives, they spend all day on MN. Imean what do you expect.

Yep...it's the last time I stick up for you guys.

What I meant to say in my previous post was....all men are dreadful and there is no hope. There you go...that'll get the thread redhot again.

and we smell bad.

Hang on, so Mr Biddulph says it's our fault for going out to work, and getting the poor lads all confused, threatened and undermined? Isn't that just a re-phrasing of 'it's all those dreadful feminists' fault'?

Sure, feminism has changed the goalposts and the expectation of the sort of behaviour - especially in the domestic arena - that's tolerable. But I don't really think that it's our fault if men take this badly.

sounds like he just made and observation. it's true though, if this is the case, the majority of men are indeed wuss-bags.

Don't think that was exactly what he meant!

Anyway....I think the interesting point about what he said was 'love your sons, recognise their differences to girls and their worth and try to bring them up to be a little more adaptable and secure than your parents did'

It sounds more like a statement than an observation to me.

But then I'm not sure about the differences to girls at all in any case.