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Emotional abuse - probably done to death, but please , was it "real"?

24 replies

tippytap · 01/05/2009 22:51

Ok, this is likely to be long and I apologise! I was in a relationship for 7 years, it ended well, it'll be 2 years this July since we split up.

We have a little girl together who was 3 this week.

I've read lots of threads on this board about "emotional abuse". I thought, especially when we first split up, that yes, I had suffered abuse, emotional abuse and was trying to cope with that as well as trying to move on with my life.

But my ex has a new g/f. He's been with her a year. They don't live together yet, but they are talking about it. My ex seems nice. Normal. I feel like I'm going crazy all over again.

Could he have changed? Is it possible that I'M the problem, that there was nothing wrong with him and that it was MY fault?

We met at work. Within 2 weeks of going out, he told me that he loved me. He asked me to move in with him, but this was dead on a year after we started going out (his timetable, this was what he thought was reasonable) He actually told my Mum I was moving in with him before I had a chance to tell her. I was still thinking about it at the time!

He had a history of depression and self harming, which he didn't tell me about before we became involved, but once into our relationship, he suffered two bouts of depression that were my fault, because I "nagged him" and because his work was "so stressful".

He had affairs - sex is "meaningless" and he didn't know why I got upset when he was unfaithful. He told me later in our relationship that he didn't beleive in being faithful and never would be. I asked how he could hurt me so much if he loved me? He said that if I loved him, I'd let him do what he liked.

He controlld my money. He took most of my money for the "house" and allocated me a small sum to live on, when he had hundreds of pounds - I am not kidding, he has a seriously well-paid job, then told my Mum tha the reason I never had anything new, was because I was bad with money. We "discussed" it several times and I was always left confused and bewildered, he GENUINELY tbought I should be able to live on what he allocated me and that I couldn't was due to my mismanagement.

He thought all of my friends were boring. He hated my sister, thought my family were pikey. My sister has been married for 8 years. During the time my ex and I were together, we went to dinner with my friends once and my sister twice - this doesn't inc a few family birthdays. He missed my sister's wedding, because he had a gig. He plays in a band as a hobby.

I'm a tall,booby, blonde. He likes, and made a point of telling me that he likes, short, petite, Asian girls. I used to ask why he was with me and he used to laugh.

He was always right. It didn't matter what it was, it wasn't so much that I was wrong, it's just that he was right and so certain that he was right, that he couldn't accept that there was any other point of view. He hated "yes-women", but well, if I disagreed with him, I was wrong.

He never said sorry. When I found out about the first affair, he got so upset - think panic attacks, that I apologised for bring he subject up.

Sex - I was fairly inexperienced when we met. If he suggested something and I said no, he found it very hard to take no for an answer and would keep on. And on. And on about it hoping that I'd give in. Which I didn't. We're talking things like Swinging or Threesomes. I have no problems with people liking this sort of thing, but for me, I can't do it.

There is other stuff too, and I know that this is long and people must be going "d'oh - what an idiot", but I walked away from that relationship with my head in such a mess. I thought I had it straight that yep, It was a harmful relationship, but I had allowed myself to be treated in a certain way and was trying to change that, but now, seeing him with his new GF I'm wondering if it was just me, after all. That yes, he was an ar$e, but I brought out the worst in him and that he wasn't abusive, afterall.

God, I am so mixed up.

I'm sorry that this is such a long post.

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HolyGuacamole · 01/05/2009 22:59

I think one of the things about emotional abuse, or in fact any kind of abuse, is the secretive nature of it. Everyone on the outside sees the 'nice guy'. Now you are on the outside and maybe this is what you are now seeing - his little life that from the outside looks so perfect and reasonable.

You never know what goes on behind closed doors so don't punish yourself by assuming he has changed and that you are the one with the problem.

He sounds like a complete arsehole and the best thing you ever did was to walk away from him.

Well done you! Don't look backwards, chin up and realise that you have moved on to a new and better life

mrsboogie · 01/05/2009 23:04

Are you kidding? Read back what you wrote. The guy is a control freak nutjob!

Why would it be any different with his latest victim? I bet he was nice as pie when you were at the stage with him that she is now. Yes of course he "seems" normal - how else is he going to get anyone to move in with him?Give it a few weeks and that poor girl will be going through the same hell you did. Unless he saw the error of his ways, got himself the best shrink available spent years in therapy, got cured and had a personality transplant? Do you think that happened?

Just think yourself lucky you had the sense to get out and be glad you are not his current victim. You'll be seeing her about soon enough looking downtrodden and miserable and no doubt pregnant as she will be a sitting duck then.

BottySpottom · 01/05/2009 23:09

You WERE emotionally abused. She is probably being so now. I guess he will have started off nice and have drawn her in. Give them 6 months and she will feel like you. Lucky escape I think.

tippytap · 01/05/2009 23:11

MrsB - I know my post sounds terrible.

I suppose part of it is that I don't know how I stayed with him that long, if things were really that bad, IYSWIM?

I'm ashamed of myself, I suppose.

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piscesmoon · 01/05/2009 23:14

There is no doubt that it was a very abusive relationship-so much so that you are still thinking it might be you at fault. Just be glad that you are not his new victim girlfriend. He isn't going to change.

HolyGuacamole · 01/05/2009 23:15

No tippytap, we're not having that!

There is no shame. You got out and that is what is important. You got the strength from somewhere to get rid of this horrendous man. You should be proud of yourself, really proud.

He is the one who should be ashamed.

piscesmoon · 01/05/2009 23:15

Don't be ashamed-you got out-be pleased with yourself!

tippytap · 01/05/2009 23:23

I am pleased that I'm out - I have been happier these two years than I was for pretty much the whole of my relationship with my ex.

Because we have a DD, I have to see this man a lot. It doesn't help!

The times that I have stood up to him, regarding our DD when I've said "no" to him, have provoked the most terrifying rows, with him threatning to go for 50% access to our DD. The last time he threatened this, (over the phone) I told him to go ahead, that I was fed up with his threats. He then accused me of restricting acces to our daughter and making threats to him!

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mrsboogie · 01/05/2009 23:24

I know exactly what you mean by feeling ashamed of staying so long with him. I really do.

But there is no point in regretting the past - you cannot change it. What you can do is congratulate yourself on having the sense to escape and learn from it and make sure that if you ever have the misfortune to get together with another bad'un you will spot it straight off and be out of there like a shot. You will never make that mistake again.

The only person who should feel ashamed is that f*cked up arsehole going around ruining women's lives.

raggedtrouseredphilanthropist · 01/05/2009 23:38

I know how you all feel. I was with my ex for 14 yrs, and it is only now I am out of it I realise what our relationship was like, and that it was not 'normal'. I also feel ashamed I put up with it for so long
AND he also has a new gf, and is very 'nice' and 'reasonable'. So, just like you, I begin to think was it ME that brought out the worst in him, and is she a better match for him etc. But I HAVE seen evidence of my ex having some controlling tendencies over her already. Remember, all the EA is behind closed doors. Even my bf said she had no idea our relationship was like it was. So, now you are essentially seeing what other people saw your relationship with him like - all nice, and happy etc etc. But you know it wasnt.

solidgoldSneezeLikeApig · 01/05/2009 23:43

Oh, he's doing to her what he did to you. It's just that he's in the early stages of doing it, and she is right now scrabbling around making changes to her appearance, behaviour, taste in music etc, because she thinks it must be something wrong with her, because he's so wonderful... Poor cow. At least you are well out of it.

tippytap · 01/05/2009 23:46

Ragged - Thank you! I'm glad it's not just me.

How did you move on? I think I'm doing ok, but then I have a wobble.

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tippytap · 01/05/2009 23:48

Solidgold.

I doubt she's making changes to her appearance. He is probably being a lot nicer to her than he was to me. He told me once that on a scale of one to ten, that he was an 8 and I was a six. His new g/f is much prettier than me!

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raggedtrouseredphilanthropist · 01/05/2009 23:55

tippy - I moved away.
Bear in mind of course that he pushed me into moving away in the first place (much against my wishes) when he moved job... I have moved back
I am much happier now than I ever was when I was with him.
And I can see it now. Like REALLY see it. In fact, sometimes when he tries the old tactics on me I jus laugh. Can't believe I fell for it for so long
The hardest things I am finding are 1) learning that all men are NOT my ex and 2) being ashamed I put up with it for so long. But they are very good at making you feel like it is YOUR fault...

solidgoldSneezeLikeApig · 01/05/2009 23:58

Tippytap: Yeah, right. What an arse this man is. She will be fretting miserably about something, however pretty she may be by objective standards, because he likes making women insecure. I suppose he might be telling her that she's vain and shallow and cares too much about her appearance, though...

tippytap · 02/05/2009 00:03

Solid - Yep, "insecure" is something he is brilliant at. I was showing our DD some of our old holiday snaps and in most of them, I am standing sideways so I don't look fat. And you know what? I wasn't fat! But at the time, I really thought I was. I'd get lots of comments whenever I ate something chocolatey, or he's say that we both needed to lose some weight..........

Ragged - wish I could move away!

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mrsboogie · 02/05/2009 00:10

Doesn't matter how pretty she is OP, she could be the dead spit of Angelina Jolie and it would make no difference, in fact I'd bet the "prettier" the woman the more controlling he will be. It's not about the woman - its about him - he is inadequate and insecure and scared and maladjusted so he makes himself feel bigger and better by controlling them.

It's him, he's the one with the problem. And he will not change - he isn't capable of it.

thumbwitch · 02/05/2009 00:19

seriously tippytap - you have no idea what the relationship with the new gf is really like. It is HIGHLY unlikely he has changed (and I bet the new gf isn't a petite Asian girl either, is she? and even if she is, he probably tells her he likes the exact opposite of whatever she is)

Men like this hide their own insecurity by creating insecurity in their partners. He created certain insecurities in you, but they might not work with the new gf so he will be creating different ones more specific to her - but he will still be doing it.

And as for him going for 50% custody of your DD - pah. In future keep a record of all communications with him as much as you are able - if it goes to court you will have a stash of evidence that it wouldn't be appropriate for him to have 50% custody.

bigted · 02/05/2009 01:12

IT IS NOT YOU!!!!!

It was him,
It is him, it will alway be him.
Google "emotional abuser " . You will find "Tippytap's ex"

Cloudbase · 02/05/2009 14:03

Tippy, please be assured IT'S NOT YOU!! He is abusive, absolutely no doubt. Of course he seems lovely with his new GF and because you once (or maybe still) love him, it makes you feel sad and maybe envious that she has what you don't or couldn't. Please believe me that SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT EITHER. Abusive men usually turn on the love, charm and tenderness until they judge the time has come that you are totally sucked in and won't leave. This usually happens when you move in together, or get married, or have a baby. Please believe me, he WILL treat her the same way he treated you - it is hard wired into him and it is almost impossible for abusive men to change without a LOT of hard work, ackowledgement of what they are doing and YEARS of therapy. I am recommending some books that transformed my feelings about my EA husband (am in the process of leaving him)

  1. Power & Control: Why Charming Men make Dangerous Lovers - by Sandra Horley (she founded Refuge)
  2. Living with the Dominator by Pat Craven (Women's Aid)
  3. Why Does he Do That by ? Lundy (sorry can't remember his first name)
The last book is very good, but it is very American in style and content, The first to are British and refer to British systems and support networks, so may be more helpful on a practical level? Also, they take EA as seriously as violence in a partner. Keep your chin up, believe me, splitting with him was the luckiest break you have ever had and one day his GF will find that up. Love, hope and my prayers to you - I know how hard this is!
GettingaGrip · 02/05/2009 14:12

You'll probably find him here too!

Kimi · 02/05/2009 14:27

Its not you, he was is and always will be vermin. Move on do not even think about the time you wasted with him.

I guess his new GF is going through the same.

Janos · 02/05/2009 14:43

tippytap,I've read through your post and you were abused, no question about that!

Make no mistake, he will be doing EXACTLY the same to his new girlfriend. Men like this just don't change.

Leaving him was the best thing you ever did!

Also remember absive men are very, very good at putting on a charming front and appearing as 'Mr nice guy'.

guttedseptic · 08/05/2009 21:59

Tippytap,

Nearly cried when I read your thread. I wouldn't be surprised if you're ex is a bloke from Liverpool named Andy (can I use names? there are thousands of guys with that name, right?)

Anyway, right down to the allegedly preference for Asian woman (they're tighter apparently), he sounds identical. My ex was so horrible to me, I knew I had to leave as soon as the emotional abuse started (during my pregnancy).

Unfortunately, he had me in a very difficult place, financially, isolated, and difficult pregnancy. Luckily I went back to work, and saved, and gained confidence. I told him I wouldn't put up with his behaviour, but he never took me seriously - he blamed me for it. And his behaviour began to deteriorate as he broke my phones, laptop, punched holes in doors, knocked light fittings off of walls. And worst (this was the final straw), he began throwing my 18mo DD around!

Then I met someone else and told him I was off now. He was gutted - played the guilt trip, told me he'd kill himself. He didn't. Then he came back and begged me to change my mind. I didn't, and tried to leave the house. He then raped and brutally assaulted me.

He's on trial for that in August - the police have a lot of evidence. But the Family court deputy district judge Gill still felt that it would be beneficial for my daughter to have contact with him. Go figure! Now debating whether to borrow 10k to appeal that one.

Be glad you got out of that relationship without you or your daughter being seriously injured. The new g/f might not be so lucky.

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