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oh this is tricky - so tricky I don't even know how to title it............

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FAQinglovely · 04/04/2009 21:26

quick summary for those that don't know my situation.

DH and I separated last March after just over 8yrs of married life. Been living our own lives since then, but then in January this year decided to have another go of things. But starting over from the beginning. So we're still very much at the "dating" stage, living seperate lives, staying out of each others business unless we're on a "date" or when he's come to get the DSs for a weekend with him.

He was fire end of January, and having already been in deep financial shit is now even more so because of that.

He's currently effectively "squatting" in the marital home which is all in his name (I lived there until end of January when I moved out and am now claiming HB elsewhere). He has virtually no furniture in there, and when he has the DS's to sleep over the single sofa bed (tiny little square foam thing which he uses as an "arm chair") goes up stairs for DS1 to sleep on and he sits on the floor.

The last few weeks as the end of the month approached (and came and has now gone) we've not really seen each other except on DS "exchange" time.

He's really retreated and I was wondering whether it was because he was having second thoughts about "us". I did manage to get out of him tonight (on the phone) that it's not "us" - he's just really stressed and not very talkative and (his words) "not really someone you want to have to talk to at the moment".

I told him that I don't mind if he just wants to come over and sit on the sofa and watch TV (he has no TV now, and his computer recently broke so he's not online either) and only speak to say "yes please" when I offer him another bottle of Magners.

He then made a thing, not in a stroppy way, about me not "minding" - so I rephrased that I don't care if he's not wanting to talk if he just wants company that's fine.

tbh I think he's depressed and I'm actually really worried about him. He took all the debts (apart from my Credit Card) with him when we split up (they were all in his name anyhow - but still - we agreed together to take out business loans etc a few years ago) and even before he lost his job 20k a year wasn't enough to pay them all, especially with mortgage arrears as well. So £3k a year from JSA to pay for everything except for his council tax is going to cripple him even more and I think it's really affecting him.

He's been throwing himself into his gym (he joined just before he got fired - unfair dismissal by the way - and has kept it up as it's the only "release" he gets and when it needs renewing he'll get the cheaper rates because he's on benefits and it's the council run one), and this week I know he went kick boxing twice - but it totally exhausted him.

What on earth can I do to help him??? Despite us being married for all these years we are in effect in a new relationship. So we've only been together for 3 months so I don't feel I can try to chivvy him along to try and go to the GP's or anything, or even talk about it if he's reluctant to share it with me because of it being "early" in it all. Or at least I don't feel I can do it in the same way that I would have been able to if we were living together (or even separate) as a fully fledged "couple").

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bellavita · 29/04/2009 10:52

Aww FAQ, sending you lots of love and best wishes and hope that you all get through this. xx

FAQinglovely · 29/04/2009 11:23

KC - they put it down to bad acid reflux (although I've seen him in pain with that where's had vritually a bottle of Gaviscon and he's never been like he was last night).

Personally I think some of it was stress related - as soon as he broke down and started to talk he started to feel a little better.

Who knows - all blood tests etc came back fine, they did an ECG to be on the safe side and that was fine too. Was only his blood pressure they could find to be concerned about.

Our GP's is usually pretty good - I don't know who he's seen though (the first Dr I saw last year was bloody hopeless) ........he rang this morning from here and they got him in almost straight away. So by now he should have been seen.
He was going to pop back to his for a bit afterwards, but will no doubt be back here later as he asked if I would be here today.

It was terrifying last night - especially to start with when no-one could get any sense out of him as to whether he'd taken anything or not.

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cestlavielife · 29/04/2009 11:41

he needs help - but you cannot do this for him .

sounds like you want to fix him/things for him which is nice but unrealistic - i learned that.... you are in danger of being dragged under too...

he needs to ask for the right help, do the exercise, go to counsellor/CBT therapy...

only HE can get himself out of this situation and deal with the issues.

the physical symptoms i saw in my ex before he had a complete breakdown... so long as he didnt admit there were mental health issues he didnt get help; when he did get CBt it was too late, he was too far gone to take it all in...

also, he was in similar situation of no job (he left it but had been very stressed) and i spent two years putting a good spin on it; telling him it was beneficial for dcs to have him around etcetc. but he had issues over not being the provider etc...

yours has been asking for help.

contact rethink www.rethink.org/ or mind www.mind.org.uk/ - for advice for yourself.

FAQinglovely · 29/04/2009 11:44

cestlavie - have you see my latest updates or is your post based on my OP??? >>>>

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cestlavielife · 29/04/2009 11:54

yes seen your latest posts about a&E etc - been there done that....

is all v confusing when this happens, one still thinks one can help.... but what you can do is limited. i do think his symptoms are mental health issues - manifested as phsyical symptoms. this i saw in my ex.

he needs help from mental health medical profressionals. ask about community mental health team and how to acess them. be ready to call 999 again and get him to a and E again if needs be.

they have to sort out their own demons...

and you need to seriously consider whether he is fit to have sole charge of the DCs at this point.

if he was nanny/childcarer would you hand over the kids when they like this?

FAQinglovely · 29/04/2009 12:06

cestalavie - I know what support he needs - he needs what my friends gave me a little over 12 months ago.

As for your question - should he have sole charge of the boys - no-one took my DS's away from me when I hit the bottom and took an overdose, no-one took my boys away from me when I started drinking hevily for a few weeks - there's no way I would stop him having sole charge of the DS's.

Since the OP obviously things have changed and the question is no longer "what can I do to help him". I disagree quite strongly that other people can do nothing at all. If my closest friends had done nothing at all last year then I most likely wouldn't be sat here now writing this post to you.

Of course much of it has to come from him - he's at the GP's as we speak - he made the phone call himself and told them what it was for. But support from people close to you is also crucial.

I couldn't even make the call or admit to anyone that I had depression before I went to the GP's (it was a friend that called for me - and took me, and did most of the talking for me).

I just look at my children now and know how lucky I was to have friends that quite literally at times walked along behind me picking up the pieces of my life and putting them back together in some sort of order for me - so that once I was in a place where I could do it on my own the pieces just needed rearranging.

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KingCanuteIAm · 29/04/2009 12:07

Cestlavie, I think that is a bit extreme, he has been getting depressed, things have come to a head and he is seaking help. If you suggested a mother with depression shouldhave her children removed and access supervised for something as small as this then you would mos likely by lynched!

He is seaking help with his feelings, he has support and FAQ is aware of the situation.

KingCanuteIAm · 29/04/2009 12:08

Sorry, x post FAQ

FAQinglovely · 29/04/2009 12:19

don't worry KC

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cestlavielife · 29/04/2009 12:47

glad you seem you seem to have all the right information and experience to handle this.

wasnt suggesting no contact - my emphasis was on "sole charge" - eg my ex on occasions turned up to take the dcs to a regular sports activity, he was crying and crying and said he couldnt cope with life; naturally i did not let him take the dcs to the activity on his own. in my view it was not fair on them....

another time when we still lived in same house, he got up and was retching in the kitchen - saying how sick he was...one dd ran out of the house she was so scared and refused to come back in.

i had to cancel going to work that day; the dcs were off school and there was no way i could leave them with him in sole charge, while he was in that physical/mental state....

incidentally when i got gp on phone to him he said he was "fine" -he was not... he was not ever able to "perk up" for the sake of the children...

but you obviously know him better than anyone and can make your own judgement, in relation to the dcs, on a particular day... .

FAQinglovely · 29/04/2009 12:50

cestlavie - in that case my children shouldn't have been with me at all for approx 4-5 months of last year.

If anything if he was having a particularly shit day I would be letting him have the boys rather than not letting him. Those boys mean the world to him, and even this morning as he was crying and DS3 toddled into the room his face lit up.

If I stopped him having sole charge of the DS's it would probably kill him (as it would have done me if I wasn't allowed to have my DS's with me last year when I was depressed).

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cestlavielife · 29/04/2009 13:03

depends on circumstances, ages of children and so on i guess - i did not want to leave them on their own with him when he was really bad. the definition of really bad is subjective... that was my decision.

eg one time he was coming and i thought ok i will go to local shop as he was visitng the dcs - in the end we did without the bananas (or whatever it was) because i literally felt it wasnt safe to leave them with him alone for even half an hour - but perhaps it was more extreme.

he saw them; he was with them - at that point he was in full contact with them....

but there were times i could not bring myself to leave them alone with him. but one of mine is disabled so there was added risk if you like...

other times, i felt i had to make sure other friends were there as well, calling other parents to look out for him at school pick up and asking them to invite them all round to their house etc so time spent alone with dcs was limited.... he was with them but there were others looking out for them. that gave me comfort... but perhaps my concerns were more extreme due to other issues.

i can only provide food for thought - and suggest that you do what you feel is right for you and for him and for your dcs.

FAQinglovely · 29/04/2009 13:07

cestlavie -can I just point out a few things

  1. This is not my ex we're talking about it's my DH
  1. From the few things you've written about your ex - my DH (even as we're still living seperately) is nothing like your ex. So using them to compare what is obviously a totally different situation is rather baffling
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shelleylou · 29/04/2009 13:09

FAQ's DH is nothing like that really dont get why your pointing out all of your expereience with your ex when FAQ has already stated a few times that there is no risk to her DS's

shelleylou · 29/04/2009 13:09

oops x post

FAQinglovely · 29/04/2009 13:29

hmm - well not so sympathetic Dr he saw this morning told him

"you're not depressed just struggling to cope with the recent changes" (I think it's the same one I saw last year who I admitted that I'd thought of suicide, so she gave me a months worth of AD's and said "ok see you in 4 week" - 2 weeks later I was in hospital on a drip).

Dh has agreed (with me) that if there's no improvement in the next few weeks as he deals with some of the stuff that came out last night then he'll go back.

He's heading over here now so I'll be buggering off again for a while

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KingCanuteIAm · 29/04/2009 14:41

Grr.. bloomin doctors, I did wonder how he would get on - being a man. A lot of gps seem to think that men don't get depressed or need emotional support

Is there a way you can book an appointment now for, say, 2 weeks time with a different practioner? I am just thinking that it may help your dh to know there is a plan in place and that he can (and will) get help and support of the medical variety if he still needs it? You can always cancel the appointment if the GP turns out to be correct?

FAQinglovely · 29/04/2009 17:32

well as it happens it turns out that he forgot to mention the high blood pressure (which obviously needs sorting out) - so I shall leave it another 2 weeks or so before reminding him about that - and if there's no improvement then shall make sure he mentions it again.

Annoys me as they tried to fob me off last year with the "it's the change of circumstances you're just finding it hard" (having only recently split up from him) but I wasn't just "finding it hard" - I had depression. I may see if I can go with him next time and if they try and fobb him off again mention the fact that a man I have known for 11yrs has broken down twice in real tears in 24hrs - and I have seen him shed tears just once before in those 11yrs, and they were silent tears, not sobbing like yesterday and this morning.

He's had shit before to go through, and he was never like this.

For now he's dancing round my living room with the DS's (or should that be the DS's have got him dancing round the living room with them LOL).

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KingCanuteIAm · 29/04/2009 18:22

Sounds like a good plan to get back to the GP.

Glad he is enjoying being with the DS's. You know yourself how important this time is and I cannot offer you any advice or experience you don't already know for yourself. FWIW I think he is very lucky to have someone as understanding and open as you around.

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