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is it me? (long sorry)

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APerson · 11/03/2009 11:15

Firstly, I apologise for the long post. I have so much going on in my head that I need to write it all down and have someone tell me if it?s me that has the problem or if I?m right to be upset.

I have been with my DH for 11 years now and married for 4. We have a 13 month old dd. DH has always been rather private about his money and his work and he would get annoyed if I questioned anything ? like the fact he had 2 jobs, plus lots of overtime, yet he kept saying we couldn?t afford anything? It emerged last year that he had £50,000 of debt.

I feel very angry, hurt, confused and stupid (because I didn?t know about it). I moved in with my parents, taking dd with me. DH kept coming and crying on the doorstep, apologising for keeping things from me, saying he would tell me everything from now on, he?s sorry for not trusting me etc. Anyway, more for my daughter?s sake than for mine, I went back with him.

So far, he does appear to be honest with me. Showing me all statements and I?ve been trying not to complain about his workload, even though it is hard (and has always been hard) when he?s never around. I feel like a single parent and feel as though DD is suffering (although she shows no signs of it ? yet).

But if I do question anything, he is so defensive. He will shout at me ? louder and louder until I?m completely drowned out and can?t talk anymore. He ?talk-- shouts over me and repeatedly says F off, F off, F off. It is very hurtful and disrespectful and last night for example, I cried myself to sleep. I try to be supportive but I don?t feel he is at all supportive of me. I don?t want DD to grow up thinking this is acceptable or worse, speak to me like that.

I admit I do nag at him for little things, like buying the wrong baby milk, constantly ordering take aways (keep telling him it?s not healthy for us), not doing the dishes, but I don?t think I?m a horrible wife?

I was in hospital a lot during my pregnancy and I think I had PND after DD was born. I felt so down and it wasn?t helped by the fact DH worked so much and then to find out how much debt he had, it was really hard. Again, I felt like a single parent. My HV told me I had PND and that DH should be supporting me more. I went to see my GP who told me I would be fine if I went back to work and had adult company again. She didn?t give me any pills, she was quite dismissive. I feel like I?m getting better and bonding better with my DD, but the first year was awful.

I confess that for the first 10 months or so of DD?s life, I was very possessive of her. I guess I wanted to prove to everyone around me that I could do it. I wouldn?t let DH do night feeds or look after her at all. I?m starting to relax more and he does lots of night feeds now if DD wakes (although he moans all week about it, like he?s the only one who?s tired). However, if he watches her, he nearly always forgets to feed her or change her and it?s impossible for me not to lose my temper ? I must tell him a hundred times when she gets fed and to check her nappy regularly etc. I feel like a broken record ? it?s not that hard to remember?!?

He also has an immature attitude to sex. He wants it all the time. If he doesn?t get it, I get the silent treatment. He wants me to dress up and do lots of things for HIS pleasure. If I refuse, I get a hard time. He doesn?t seem to grasp that maybe I?m tired after looking after DD and I also work full time.

I have disabilities so I rely on him for several things, which he just loves to use against me (I need him etc). My disabilities have contributed to my PND I think, as I wanted to prove I could manage myself, but it was really hard to look after myself and DD if that makes any sense?

I have suggested counselling, which DH has scoffed at.

My inlaws and my own parents haven?t been too supportive. My MIL would visit me in hospital saying I should hurry up and get home to look after DH (the place was a pig sty when I did get home). She criticised how I planned to feed DH and my decision to go back to work (we needed the money FFS!) She would turn up all the time, univited and DH would never tell her to go away and leave us in peace. She told me I was a terrible mother and wife. I moved out again because I felt as though DH cared more about her feelings than mine/dd?s.

As for my own mother, she watches DD whilst I work. I pay the mortgage and most of the bills whilst DH pays off his debt, so we can?t afford childcare and I am very grateful to my mother although I probably don?t show it as much as I maybe should. She wont? take any payment although I do buy her flowers/chocolates regularly. She won?t allow me to move back in with her should things get bad again with DH. She says it?s my problem. When I tried to talk to her about my PND, she just told me to get my act together. She also regulary tells me I am getting fat, that I am lazy (she would put kim and aggie out of a job), my skin is spotty, my hair is going grey?but if I stand up to her, she threatens to stop watching DD. She also tells me I need to get off my DH?s back and support him more. That I made my bed and should lie on it etc etc.

My dad has an alcohol problem so I do try not to bother my mum. She also worries about my gran who is elderly and frail.

I am made to feel like I am ungrateful, spoiled, lazy, not good enough, unreasonable, and all the rest of it.

What do you all think? I know this just sounds like one big rant, but I don?t know who else to talk to.

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APerson · 11/03/2009 14:21

Do you want to leave him? - No, I want to fix things. He doesn?t think there is anything TO fix. I really don?t know the answer to that question yet.
Do you love him? ? Yes

Have you ever spoken to your Mother about how she talks to you? ? yes. She says she?s just trying to ?help? me. That it?s her ?job? as a mum. That ?someone needs to?. She thinks I?m too sensitive.

My employer offers childcare vouchers and I?m looking into it. Problem is that DD has become very attached to my mother and my mother does a very good job of looking after her. I?m not too comfortable about a stranger looking after my DD tbh. I don?t want to upset DD.

?running away fund? ? you know I never thought of it that way?.

Oh yeah, I was REALLY p*ssed off when I found out the ILs knew about the debt, how much it was, and that they blamed me for everything and that they called me ?high maintenance?. That was part of the big argument with MIL. It all came to the surface. DH was a bit taken aback then and was really nice to me for a few months but now it?s going back the way?

PlumpRumpSoggyBaps ? yes, that is what I am thinking. Your experience sounds like mine.

Lizziemum ?how on earth do I get a credit check and wouldn?t he find out? I don?t have any credit cards ? I don?t agree with them, so I?m a bit daft when it comes to how they work although I am making him show me every statement.

He stubbornly refuses to sell his ?racing? car, which he hasn?t actually raced for about 6 years due to an accident on the racecourse.

He has been doing the 2nd job for about 4 years now and has brought the debt down from £50,000 to about £33,000. He showed me all his statements, info from the bank so it does look as though he has told me everything and is being honest with me. We have no savings.

The bonus is actually £3770. I also have £1,500 of my own savings. I have been putting money in my DDs trust fund also. I have very little money to spend on myself because it all goes on mortgage, bills, some food shopping (he can?t always pay it) and on putting money away.

I am trying so hard to be optimistic. I?m really confused to be honest.

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APerson · 11/03/2009 14:23

sorry we have no joint savings, he has no savings, I have some.

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PerArduaAdNauseum · 11/03/2009 14:34

I you want to fix it, I'm afraid it sounds like you're going to have to bite the bullet and insist he goes to Relate with you. Tell him what you've said here - you love him, you want it to work, but if it carries on this way it can't. I'm guessing that however much you love him, the first time DD tells you to fuck off you'll be out of the door with her to get her away from that influence. So put your foot down.

Childcare vouchers can also be used for childminders, which might be an environment you're more comfortable with? And maybe you could look at 2 days a week with a CM, to start lessening the hold your mother has on you atm.

And you can insist he sells his race car too - once you've got him into Relate, and he's starting to man-up a bit [optimistic emoticon!].

How much money do you feel you need to put away each month? Given you've got an acceptable lump sum now, which is yours for emergencies or running away, could you reduce the amount you save and spend the difference on going to the gym (chance to meet people)? Or something like that? DD's also a good age to start going to the library, and you may well meet up with some other mothers over time, to give you a bit more of a break from homelife?

So, what's your next move? We've established it's not you it's them, that you've the capacity and capability to start over on your own if you have to, and that you really do deserve so much more. What are you going to do?

APerson · 11/03/2009 14:44

Oh and if the house is sold, all his debts will be paid off with his share. he will move in with his parents (mummy's boy), buy himself the dream bmw he keeps talking about, give up one of his jobs etc. He says he doesn't want me to go, that he loves me etc, but he keeps saying life would be easier if he wasn't with me. He wasn't happy when I fell pregnant, even though we had discussed it and agreed together to go ahead. I know now it was because he had no money.

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PerArduaAdNauseum · 11/03/2009 14:48

Maybe you should get into counselling first on your own, and see if you can establish just why you want to stay with this twunt him?

solidgoldbrass · 11/03/2009 14:53

Oh FFS! I am sorry for you and understand that you probably feel hopeless and trapped but there is no reason to stay with this parasite. He doesn't love you, he sees you as a source of food and shelter and a probable bailout when his creditors come knocking.
It sounds a bit as though both your parents and his think that women exist to service men, that he is the important one in the relationship and you should put his needs before your own, indulge him in every way and support him financially and practically, because otherwise you might end up single!
Being single would be so much better than being drained dry by someone who gives you nothing in return. Some people can put up with a parasitic partner if the partner is amusing or good in bed or kind-but-impractical, sure - but your 'partner' is none of these things. He's verbally abusive and expects you to give him everything and do everything for him: you are getting NOTHING out of this relationship. THere isn;t anything to fix.

PerArduaAdNauseum · 11/03/2009 14:53

Sorry aperson - that last sounded harsh . I'm just wondering whether you wanting to stay is your low self-confidence talking, which low self-confidence is caused by being with him in the first place...

APerson · 11/03/2009 14:57

PerArduaAdNauseum ? you have been really nice on this thread, thank you for your support (hug).

As for my next steps, I?m not sure?

I have already suggested relate several times but like I said earlier, he just scoffs at that. I have repeatedly told him to sell his car ? won?t happen.

I will speak to my mum about the childcare vouchers thing. I don?t think she will want me to do this as she loves looking after DD even though she has a lot of other things on. She?ll probably cry a lot. She used to be a child minder herself and knows a lot of the other CMs and apparently they are all cr*p .

I have been looking into ways to get out more, have more me time, meet new people although it is hard when I work full time.

And the money I have saved up ? DH doesn?t know about it, nor do I think I?ll tell him. Knowing that money is there does make me feel a little better.

I have said to DH that we need to have some couple time and he agrees. Mum has said she will watch DD in the evenings too, although other things going on in her life have prevented this. Perhaps having some couple time could help us? We have had very little couple time since DD was born. I thought also about using some of my money for a wee weekend away for us both but then again he?ll wonder where the money came from?

As for your last post - I guess I maybe feel like I should be 'helping' him and I also think about DD and having to go between two houses at such a young age. I also (and this is probably very stupid) don't want people smirking behind my back because I have a failed marriage...

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APerson · 11/03/2009 15:05

SGB - ouchy?

There are times when he is really nice to me actually, and it is these times that give me hope... he's not a drinker like my dad, or a druggie as someone suggested earlier. I have witnessed alcoholic husbands and physically violent husbands in my family and I admit I often think "it could be worse..."

I am sure you all think I am a silly girl and weak and that have low self esteem.

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PerArduaAdNauseum · 11/03/2009 15:06

(hug) back at you - you need it more right now!

Keep on suggesting relate - how about telling him if he goes for 4 sessions you promise not to mention the race car for a month?

Look at a CM or nursery part-time - tell your mother you know things are difficult for her atm, and want to lighten the load, but you know how much she and DD enjoy each other's company and don't want to stop altogether?

You can have couple time at home without spending any money, if DD's in bed and you've both agreed (and stick to) a start time. Suggest that he cooks a nice dinner while you put DD to bed maybe? I think he needs to start proving he cares tbh, and if that suggestion makes you laugh hollowly, then ask yourself why you're there?

And you don't have to help him - you should be co-parents looking out for each other. All of this one-way understanding and caring is more likely to prevent him from having to take responsibility for his life and for DD, and is very unlikely to improve his disrespectful attitude towards you.

And DD won't be going between 2 houses either - given his hours, you're looking at a max of one overnight with him, and maybe a few hours at the weekend...

PerArduaAdNauseum · 11/03/2009 15:11

And FWIW I think (as I said in my first post) you must be awfully strong to have got this far...

APerson · 11/03/2009 15:30

Thanks hunni, you have made some really good suggestions. What a lovely person you are. I will see how things go tonight and update you. Must go now as I'm actually at work and I have a meeting soon.

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Lizzylou · 11/03/2009 16:26

I don't think you are silly girl at all, not in the slightest, you sound very smart and clued up and I personally am amazed you have saved so much money (saving/budgetting is not my strong point).

OK, I think if you want you marriage to work and your relations with your Mom/MIL to get better you need to start getting your self confidence back and kicking some ass frankly. It is so much easier to stand up for yourself when you feel good about who you are. You do not deserve this treatment, your DH needs to know that he has created this mess, and he needs to fix it, sell the car, stop verbally abusing you or he will be out on his ear. He needs to realise how very understanding you've been. You love him but his behaviour is appalling, tell him that and tell him he sorts it, himself, without taking his stress out on you.
Tell him you will have sex when you want to, when you feel valued and loved.
Your Mom has obviously put up with a lot in her life, it doesn't mean you have to.

You are obviously good at your job and with money, what can you do to make yourself feel stronger and more confident so that you feel able to stop people talking down to you?

Sorry, got on a right rant there, but was tinking about you whilst doing school run!

lizziemun · 11/03/2009 16:58

Sorry I took so long to answer. but mum bought dd1 home from school and for some reason dd wanted feeding.

here just remember to cancel before free period ends. It will tell you what credit is held on your address.

APerson · 11/03/2009 18:09

thank you to both lizzies, I am going to check out that site now.

I have also booked myself a facial for the weekend. I am going to look into gyms too.

Dh has arrived home and is acting like nothing has happened . I am going to sit him down now. wish me luck!

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Lizzylou · 11/03/2009 19:13

Good for you, be kind to yourself (that sounds very "Oprah" but I know what I mean and the sentiment is right).
I think you could surprise yourself with your strength, you cope with a hell of a lot.

Facial! Good for you x

PerArduaAdNauseum · 11/03/2009 19:39

Good for you! Sorry haven't been around, blimmin parent's evening... Let us know how you get on tonight?

theDreadPiratePerArdua · 15/03/2009 15:55

Bumping for APerson - how's it going? Made any progress?

APerson · 15/03/2009 17:18

hi

My mum and I have agreed to look into a nursery place for dd 2 days a week. I'm a bit unsure about it, but it seems to be the best for all concerned.

Things are still difficult between me and DH but I did tell him how I feel. He has been watching how he speaks to me, but there still seems to be an element of "it's her problem". He still refuses to go to any counselling.

I'm trying to get out more. I am looking into fitness classes but timings don't really suit

I am getting a guide dog although there's an effing 2 year waiting list . Hopefully this will help make me more independent and less reliant on others. Plus social work are going to make adaptions to my property.

So that's my wee update. Not 100% happier than my OP but working on it.

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theDreadPiratePerArdua · 15/03/2009 17:25

Oh that's good to hear! I was wondering how you were getting on. Do keep posting back (not necessarily on this thread) for any more support, or ideas on how to make things work for you. And keep working on the DH [stern look] - you don't need another child to look after

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