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When women won't talk

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morethanjustadad · 23/01/2009 12:23

Hello girls, I?d like a female take on this one,particularly from girls with a similar tendancy. Although any males out there with a similar issue please feel free to pitch in.

It?s quite simple really, my DW and I are a bit odd. I?m from Venus and she?s from Mars?.. although not always and not in every way. I still retain that age old male trick of wanting to fix things of wanting to provide solutions, my DW still wants me ?just to listen and empathise?. But that?s where it kind of stops. My DW just wants me to ?listen and empathise? when she wants to rabbit on, but she?s not interested or can?t bring herself to be proactive in sitting and talking through the things that are important to her/us and sharing dreams and plans together.

We?ve had a topsy turvy while in the last three or four years, due mainly to family and other crises on her side of things. To me, that's not been a major problem, as a loving partnership you have your ups and downs and you deal with them together ? ? for better or worse? ? that?s what we signed up for.

However, my DW at times like this tends to retreat into herself, shut me out ? and others and makes herself ill and depressed. She can be very stubborn, or determined, or self reliant, depending on which way you want to view things. Normally, my reaction is to try to do the ?Venus? thing and provide her with as much support through listening as I can.

However, after several years and many, many such instances I?m getting very frustrated of constantly providing this kind of unconditional support, whereby I have to try to prise information and conversation out of her with a can opener.

So, the question really is this ? we?ve all read John Grey & Debora Tannen on what to do ?when men won?t talk?, but how do you reverse that and deal with ?Women who won?t talk?

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lovelymumma · 23/01/2009 19:52

hi,I think I have something called atypical depression;the doctors haven't diagnosed me with this but i came across a passage in a book that described exactly how i felt.When things are going well I can be upbeat and really friendly and cheerful,but when things go wrong I find this hard to deal with.also,I find it hard to have any pleasure in long term goals.I enjoy eating walking hugging and loving but don't have any drive for long term goals. Apparently,this is all apart of atypical depression.I think my doctors even think i'm not really ill because they will see me laughing my head off about something,but don't see the despair i'll be feeling an hour later.I don't think the NHS is as forward thinking about depression as America is.Doctors don't realise that having a name for your illness helps you to understand and deal with it.I think that I will possibly have this problem for life,and that it can't just be fixed.My husband just loves and accepts me the way I am though.Don't prise information out of her,just give her space when she needs it.

CarGirl · 24/01/2009 12:45

Fortunately I'm not depressed anymore he still doesn't like me talking about things that make me feel sad though but I just tell him to give me a cuddle and then talk away so he's kind of got used to it over time.

newgirl · 24/01/2009 13:48

i am not sure how to help on the talking side but i do wonder if you can help in other ways

eg

make sure she has lots of time off from the kids/jobs/you etc - maybe she doesnt have the energy or headspace to be positive and dynamic at the mo - i have my best ideas and plans when on my own!

that you have fun together - rather than sitting talking all night, go to see a funny film or show or band that she loves

cook her a fab meal with bottle of wine and dont talk heavy stuff just have some fun - then things may come out more naturally rather than forced

build her self esteem - with treats, a magazine, flowers, compliments - all simple stuff but gets a message across without being a big conversation

hope that helps - that would all work for me! oh - im a girl on here although pushing 40!!

PadDad · 24/01/2009 19:32

I also feel in terms of opening up/talking things through that I am from Venus and DW is from Mars.

I go to a lot of comedy clubs and when I hear those routines about what men are like and what women are like, I think, 'Um, no . . ."

morethanjustadad · 26/01/2009 09:12

PadDad - yup I can really empathise with that one. We have a back to front life in more ways than one and I'm the parent who takes the bulk of our care "duties" - subsequently I'm the one male in 20 at the PTA or at Parent nights - I hear all these "stereotypes" from the girls at the PTA and I think.... nope, not us.

But that's ok, 'cos that's the way we are.

Lovelymumma and Newgirl, thanks for those thoughts and ideas, more "grist to the mill" you might say and appreciated.

Cargirl, glad to hear you no longer suffer - as for your DH, it sounds as though he IS learning to "role play", which is what my Dw insists i have to do sometimes

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