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Is my DH being a right Scrooge, or am I being a spoilt kid?

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Joolyjoolyjoo · 10/12/2008 13:37

Just wanted to get some opinions on this. Last night DH and I had an almighty row, which started because I mentioned I wanted to get the dd's a nice dress each for their Christmas parties. He started huffing and blowing and saying that I keep spending money we haven't got, that I am spending "hand over fist". I then made the cardinal error of saying casually that I thought WE might have a night out next weekend (we haven't had a night out together in over a year!) which led to him ranting on about spending money again. It's true we are a bit overdrawn just now, but we also have some money in savings that, for some reason, he doesn't want to touch. We are supposed to be saving for a holiday in the summer (which he says he's not all that bothered about) but we both work (I only work p/t) and have a reasonable income, although adnittedly always seem to be skint.

I have been trying really hard recently to budget. I do spend a fair bit on food, but I meal plan, shop at discount places, cut costs where I can, and never throw food out. I do shop at the butchers and fishmongers, as I like our 3 growing children to have good quality meat/ fish, and am proud of the fact that they eat a healthy and varied diet- he moans about how much I spend on food, but then at night comes looking for snacks, and moans because there is "no food in the house"

I don't buy clothes for myself, but the kids do grow out of things ( which seems a strange concept to him!) They wear hand-me-downs and I buy a lot of their stuff at asda/ primark, so I don't feel I am a splurger in that department. I do all the finances (he is in the forces, so away a lot, makes more sense for me to do it), and he has no clue what our monthly income/ outgoings are- if you asked him what council tax we pay, he would look at you blankly. If I try to show him where the money goes, he just says either "OK- whatever", or says "well, you'll just need to cut down!" When i ask him where he would like me to make these cuts, he says "I don't know- just stop buying all the crap you buy!" By this he means clothes/ bits and pieces for the kids, birthday presents etc, I presume. He really doesn't see how I can spend it, and it's not always easy to show on paper. Every month brings some unexpected expense, and there is contingency in our budget, but we often go a wee bit into the OD.

To my mind, Christmas is an expensive time, and we need to just bite the bullet, pay up, enjoy it, then cut back in the couple of months that follow, but he is being really arsey about it. He even went on about not giving his mum the usual £30 M&S vouchers this year, and just getting her a book- he doesn't see that that might make his mum think we are upset with her in some way, especially as she has declined our invitation to spend Christmas with us for the second year running, but has just sent a generous amount of money for all 3 kids, and some for us!

I am fed up with his bah-humbug ways. I love Christmas, and he is like a grumpy old man, bringing everything down. Last weekend, after putting the tree up, I thought it would be lovely to have the fire on for a while- it was cold, and I thought it would be Christmassy and cosy- he wouldn't let me, even though I have just had a letter from the gas company telling me that they owe US £125, due to my energy-saving drive of recent months.

When he said we couldn't afford to go out, I felt really upset. We don't really spend any quality time together, I feel. A few months ago, over a bottle of wine, he joked about when he would "get his old wife back", which was a bit hurtful (we have dc aged 4,3 and 13 mths), but I could see his point, so I lost weight, got my hair done, started making an effort. Now I want to know when I am going to get my fun-loving, sociable DH back- instead of this miserly, fun-sapping old man! I feel like he should see that I deserve a night out, and that he should want to take me out and make me happy. He thinks I am behaving like a spoilt child, and says "OK then! We'll go out. But you can forget buying clothes for the kids" Obviously I would never choose a night out over that. I feel like I always come last in this family. I make lots of effort- I've done all the shopping, cards, do all the cooking, keep the house nice, do loads of stuff with the kids, walk the dogs, do all the washing and ironing, and work as well, which I don't mind, but it would just be nice to be appreciated sometimes. Or is he right- am I just stamping my foot and saying "but I WANT it!"? Isn't it worth a little bit less savings to have a lovely Christmas and some time together?

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Joolyjoolyjoo · 10/12/2008 13:38

Whoops- didn't realise I was going to waffle on so much

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HolyGuacamole · 10/12/2008 13:50

Sounds like you both need a nice night out, chance to dress up, have a laugh and forget the mundane? Could you not compromise, get the kids some budget outfits and have a budget night out? Your quality time together is just as important as nice dresses for the kids.

The point about him getting his old wife back and you making that extra effort by taking that on board was very good so maybe pointing that out to him in a jokey sort of way could be good? Tis the season to be jolly etc etc....

Joolyjoolyjoo · 10/12/2008 13:53

Thank you- I do think we need a night out (or maybe I just need it!) I have tried to jokingly tell him it is his turn to return to "my old husband", but he just says he hasn't changed!

I am looking at some lovely girls' dresses on e-bay, and the money MIL sent today, I am going to commandeer to buy clothes for the dc- it IS their Christmas money. Maybe I can persuade the old git to use his £20 from his mum to take me out ...

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HolyGuacamole · 10/12/2008 13:59

Are you buying gifts for each other? Was just thinking maybe you could sacrifice your gifts to each other and put that money in the kitty for your night out. Going to a nice bar and even just sharing a bottle of wine (or two) doesn't need to cost a fortune and it could do wonders for cheering you both up.

LilySwalLoosHerTurkeyBaster · 10/12/2008 14:00

Sounds like he doesn't really understand where your money is going.
Can you not sit down with him and work out a budget together for clothes etc on top of the normal outgoings ?

And agree the night out should happen sounds like you both need it!

Joolyjoolyjoo · 10/12/2008 14:13

We already decided not to buy gifts for each other this year, (apart from a small token, £10 or less), and to put the money towards eg a weekend away, but I have a feeling it will just get swallowed up into the daily finances

I know we need to sit down and look at the finances, but even I find it hard sometimes to see where I've spent the money . Maybe I should spend some time writing down every expenditure before presenting it to him, otherwise I'm worried it will look on paper like we have plenty money, and it IS just me spending stupidly, which I really don't feel I do. I can't bear feeling like he is grilling me, and I am trying to defend myself.

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Shuggybee · 18/12/2008 12:01

Just a quick one to say 'me too!'. My DH is Forces and I manage all the finances, as you say he would have ni idea how much our council tax is or even how often it gets paid. He seems to moan about money all the time but I think it's because he genuinely has no idea how much things cost in the real world, I ended up getting so cross that I itemised everything I spent for a month, food, childcare, petrol, nappies and all the incidentals like kids shoes at £25 per pair from Clarkes and he was amazed and apologetic. Now I'm the one that drones on when I see his mess bills.

lilacclaire · 18/12/2008 12:20

I do think that he is extremely worried about money.
Can you not buy the kids party dresses out of their christmas money and also use your christmas money for the night out.
I think it would be a good idea to write down every day what you spend money on, you may suprise yourself and you can also show him that you are not frittering money away and of course if you are then you will be able to see that yourself and stop.

Schnullerbacke · 18/12/2008 20:54

Just a quick one to say 'me too'! Must be something about hubbies in Forces or something. I don't work at the moment as pg with DD2 - we had a row last night about 'his' car and 'his' new TV. But heavens forbid when I spend some more at the weekly shop. Told him today not to eat from the plates which I have cleaned. Childish I know but I get so cross when us women do all the work at home and our DH's think they have the right to all the money just because they earn it. Maybe I start invoicing him for the housework.

Jooley - even worse for you, you work p/t!

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