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Is there a chance to make it right? long post, sorry

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WhyIamsoimmature · 12/11/2008 19:03

Well, the whole story is being so long, for over 6 years now.
I am married, lets say not so happily married. But by the time it all began I was sure I am the happiest of them all.
One cold February I met a man. To drop all the details we became friends. Nothing special, he was leaving in Estonia, me in London. So we were exchanging sms's from time to time.Then I got through tough period in my life where I was thinking my dh would support me, but no. This guy did much more than dh and all just via sms.

Well, one day he came to visit some friends in London,he is English btw, and we met and it all ended up in his bed. So sonce that my life turned upside down.We were seeing each other very rarely coz he didn't live as I said in UK.Well, after one year the cheating thing happened this guy told me something like "I want to be with you",or gaving me hints that he has a blonde girfriend now but woould be much happy with brunette(I have a dark hair). I didn't take it seriously.Basically what was I doing with him I was playing like cat with the mouse.And must say dh knew about this affair or let's say suspected a lot. And everytime this guy was in town, whatwas very rare, somehow dh would now about that.And as a man wasn't happy about,In fact he forbid me to speak to him. Well, not the point.
So after all his talks about us being together i never assumed that he was serious. I knew he wasn't ready for kids and I madly wanted to have a child.
In 2004 i got pregnant and was about 4 months got a call from him. I told him to leave me alone coz I want to have a family with dh.But deep down, very down I knew it was wrong. I knew I didn't love dh, but still was clinging to idea that a child will save our marriage.

So, I had a beautiful dd,went back to my home country. And last year around august I texted him. I was in London that time. But was packing my bags to go back home. He got really upse why I didn't txt him earlier so he would organise trip to UK.He still was living in Estonia. Told me the news. He was married. After that call when I said to leave me alone he went to his girlfriend and proposed to her. They got married.

So, this year we started to text really heavy.Like talking constantly via txt. I am in my country, he is in Estonia. And there is a little thing I need to tell as well. His wife knows about me, knows why he proposed.
So all our texting led to us meet each other in May, in my country,then he had busy summer.He moved back to London, got really good job there. But we didn't stop texting,Though he was doing this secretly from his wife.And with every text we got closer and close to each other. You know, I couldn't imagine a single day without talking to him.I didn't talk that much to my dh, maybe once a week.BTW, relationships with dh got worsen last summer.
So After such kind of txting I became really pushy about his wife and that fact that he needs to leave her. She didn't move with him to London and doesn't plan at all. So I saw him in Sept and got really really pushy about our future and that we need to do something.The only thing he told me that time is if could turn back time he wouldn'd get married. I know he doesn't love her, I just feel it.He did it coz it was the time for him to get married and she was the best option for that time.

Last weekend he came to visit me again. It was so great at the start, you know posh hotel, so passionate sex. Then on Saturday I had studying in school, I am doing second diploma now and study on the weekends.but not for long, just 3 hours and I was back. When I got back I found him really upset coz he wife called and he suspects that she might know somthing. She said that she called before and the voicemail went on some language similar to my country language.Total rubbish, pfone is from UK and all voicemails are in English, even in roaming. So he was upset.
When we went for dinner, you know a couple >romantic time he told me that he would need to call her to calm her down and to prove to her that he is in Munich. And that voicemail was in German.I must say, german IS VERY different to my tongue.Very, and any intelligent person would hear the difference. Plus his wife speaks similar language to mine, lets say same language group.
So he asked me can he call her, I said- YES, after dinner.I said to him in exact words- " I will be queit when you talk to her, I will make no sound"
He said, " Darling, I will be quick, just 4-5 mins"
So, dinner, we finish our starters, talking about our future, he showed me pics of the house he wants to buy for us.Everything is so good,and in the middle of the dinner he stands up and said that he need to call her now. I said, ok. he insisted -4-5 mins and left me there for 15 mins.
I mean, he saidto me that they don't talk, they don't swap emails, they even don't sleep. I know I shouldn't beleive all that blindly, but it felt like true!!!
So dinner was spoi;ed. then we went for a drinks and he was showing me my txts and among them I saw her txt. It was full of love and care.
So i left him in a bar, sttormed to the room.Started to pack the bag. But couldn't reach my friend on the fone to aske her to stay with her for this night. So I left, then I realise that i left too many thing in the room, plus I had nowhere to go at nearly 12 at night. I came back. we started to argue,It all ended up in me crashing the room down. And it was a very expensive room.

We spent that night in one bed, but no sex. he refused me. Then next day wehad a little walk a little talk and it was all about HIS spoiled weekend and how much he doesn't want it to happene anymore. I was insisting that he shouldn't pay so much attention to his wife.

So he left, I went back home and now he is not talking to me,what he said is that he cannot do that again. And that I was very immature and attention seeking. And that the whole situation was created by me only. BTW< his wife called next day exactly at the time when we were supposed to have the last sex. and he ran out of the room like a sprinter.

Before that sometime in october he said to me that he loves me so mad, so utterly, he loves me beyond any reason.
So am I immature?Was I wrong ti throw a tantrum at him? Am I being unreasonable to push him to make a choice?

I love him as well deeply and madly and cannot imagine life without him. But he ignores me since Sunday, since he left me. And I don't know what to do.

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hullygully · 12/11/2008 19:07

Goodness, how terribly difficult.

annh · 12/11/2008 20:45

This man is using you. He is getting easy sex whenever he comes to London while still enjoying all his home comforts. What exactly are YOU getting from this except heartache?

WhyIamsoimmature · 12/11/2008 21:07

I thought so when I was living in London and he was in Estonia. Now I live far away from UK and the the last three times he came to my country to see me. And if his wife sees the visas to my country it will be a huge problem for him.
And he hasn't been home to his wife for three months now. He saw me more than her.

Itruly believe it is real love and I admit I shouldn't behave like a teenager. But I don't know how to make right now.
I didn't sleep since Sunday, cannnot even cry anymore coz all tears are cried out now. I am really lost here. And all of strong love

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Simplysally · 12/11/2008 21:11

I may have missed it but are you still married to your husband?

morningpaper · 12/11/2008 21:12

blimey, what a mess, I do feel for you

Are you still with your husband?

tipsycat · 12/11/2008 21:22

I'm sorry, I know you don't want to hear it, but this "relationship" sounds doomed. Have you ever heard the expression "if a man marries his mistress, he creates a job vacancy"? I know there's always exceptions, but this man is lying to you about his relationship with his wife, and telling god knows what lies to his wife. Sorry to be blunt, but he is taking advantage of you. Try to be strong and tell him to xxxx off!

beanieb · 12/11/2008 21:26

"I was insisting that he shouldn't pay so much attention to his wife"

I think this is quite horrible. You should forget him.

WhyIamsoimmature · 12/11/2008 21:45

I am still married but that marriage isn't working. I don't love my h for long time now, sex with him is always a thing I ought to do.I know he loves me, cares for me. but I don't want him

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WhyIamsoimmature · 12/11/2008 21:47

I told him so many time to off and I was the one who would always call him first

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WhyIamsoimmature · 12/11/2008 22:04

And there is another thing. I will never do it, never. But deep down inside of my heart I want to tell everything to his wife. I have found her profile on Facebook, though we live in different countries and it is not UK. I know if I tell her it will make me weaker and her stronger. But it is just a wish, one of my immature ideas.

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tipsycat · 12/11/2008 22:21

You need to focus on something else. This relationship is unhealthy. Is there no chance that you could cut all ties to this man, change your mobile number and email address?

WhyIamsoimmature · 12/11/2008 22:28

I did it!!! I wish i could change the content in my head!!! I know everything by heart.
The problem is I want it to work out. Just deep down, you know my gut feeling tells me I will be happy with him.
I did awful things to forget him. While still being married.
For a long time I thought it was the money. Then I ruled it out. He is not my type in looks, I even must say my h is a very very beuatiful man. But I still want this one. You know breath in and out with his name on my lips.

Total mess

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BrotherPan · 12/11/2008 22:46

whyIamsoimmature - is it because you haven't grown up yet. I did start reading your post, but tbh it all got pretty petty and dull. Are you really 17??

WhyIamsoimmature · 12/11/2008 22:51

not really, around third decade tbh
And yes it could be dull coz lets say English is not my first language and I cannot find a place for me in the last three days and I don't have anybody to talk to about it.

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ZZZen · 13/11/2008 11:22

Ok so if he divorces his wife and marries you and buys this beautiful big house, what then?

Is he going to be a good dad to your dd, do you think?

Are you going to trust him to be faithful to you? Honestly?

Long-term you want to be married to some Mr. Nice Guy and it doesn't sound like him, does it? He is unfaithful to his girlfriend, bonking someone else every chance he gets to travel, writing steamy mails and obviously making out to her that everything is great. If either of the women is unhappy about it, he's annoyed because it is RUINING HIS WEEKEND FGS!

Is that going to be you then five years from now, writing mails full of love and care to a man who is having an affair with someone else the whole time?

Maybe your dh isn't the right partner for you, I don't know but this guy is no prize. Can you not see that?

I think this relationship was pretty much doomed from the start as a PARTNERSHIP/MARRIAGE because you started off by going behind people's backs and hurting them. You want soemthing good, start it good and behave like a decent caring person yourself. Sorry to be blunt but I think you started something that had to go bad

annh · 13/11/2008 12:01

OP, I'm not sure if I missed it but if you are so unhappy in your marriage, why are you still with your dh? I think your unhappiness with your marriage is contributing to your feeling that this man is the ONE for you. If you are that unhappy, you need to leave and at least be in a position to be with this man. Where does your husband think you are, for heaven's sake, when you are spending weekends with this man?

I also think this man is lying non-stop to you. How do you know that he would be in trouble if his wife found visas for your country in his passport? Because he tells you! So, although he is lying endlessly to his wife, you somehow believe that he is always truthful with you?! I'm sorry, I know I sound harsh, but you are coming across as incredibly naive and with serious self-esteem issues.

WhyIamsoimmature · 13/11/2008 15:36

well, lets say I feel a lot of things.You know kind of gift. ANd I always fell what is right but I don't know how to make it right. I know when sombeody close to is lying. I would know it.And I don't belive that if you got married it is for the good. And I do believe that sometimes people meet and understand that they are meant for each other while being with other partners.
I wrote him a letter long time ago, a normal letter. And his wife found it and I know there was a huge argument just about the letter. And she knows why he got married to her, what was the reason.

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littlestmummystop · 13/11/2008 15:48

you know that expression, something like- 'if you let someone you love go and they come back they were yours to start with. .' or whatever it is.

Rid your life of this man. He has married someone else. If he really wants to come back he will.

Also let your poor husband go and find someone who really loves him.

ZZZen · 13/11/2008 15:50

Well we think differently so I may not be able to give you advice that helps you personally all that much. I think why get married if you do not plan on it being for good at least at the onset?

OK what I do think is you started an affair with this guy not a romantic relationship which was possibly going to lead to marriage. I'm no expert on affairs so I dunno but I think the rules are generally different.

What you have with this guy sounds to be like sexual dependency which cleverer people have written about and if you google you can read a lot on that, see if it applies/helps.

For marriage what I think the cornerstones of the relationship have to be are love and respect. I don't see love and respect in what I read of this relationship anymore than in what you wrote about your current marriage, therefore tbh to answer your question, no I don't honestly believe this can be "made right".

Good luck though, in particular because of your dd.

Simplysally · 13/11/2008 15:53

I think that you need to walk away from this man,hard as that might be to do. He is presumably lying to his wife so he could be lying to you. If he wanted to be with you, he would have done something about it now. As he hasn't...

I would suggest thinking about getting some counselling to help you really break free as well.

Good luck.

WhyIamsoimmature · 13/11/2008 15:57

Thank you all. That is probably the one thing to do-let him go. And if he really feels what he said to me then he will come back!

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