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So is my MIL being um, silly?

44 replies

LynetteScavo · 09/11/2008 18:47

MIL was supposed to come over this morning. She hardly ever sees DC's even though she only lives 2/3 miles away.

She phoned this morning, and spoke to DH. Aparently she was beside herself becuase her cat has been run over, so decided not to come to see us after all.

DH thinks she's being totally as she seemed more upset that when her mother died last year, and this has put DH in a bad mood.

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LynetteScavo · 09/11/2008 23:54

My life! What do I have to do to be nice? I've asked advice and none of you have told me. I'm going round tommorow, but probably won't be alowed in even if her DH is at work, as I'll have DD with me; the remaining cat is very nervous of having people in the house. We shall see.

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Squitten · 09/11/2008 23:59

I can't say that I see what the death of her cat has to do with the death of her mother.

Our cats are like our children, they are absolutely members of our family and I will be devastated when they die. Don't be mean to her

LynetteScavo · 10/11/2008 00:00

Actually, unavailable, that was a really nasty comment.

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unavailable · 10/11/2008 00:02

I dont believe you really think I'm "dear", do you Lyn?

However, I stand by the comment I made(eg - should I bring flowers, comments about the 14 year old car etc. semmed sneery)

"What do I have to do to be nice?" - How about BE NICE.

unavailable · 10/11/2008 00:03

seemed not semmed, obviously

LynetteScavo · 10/11/2008 00:17

I was using the car as an example of explaining how sensitive MIL is.

I've realised I'm oging to be really pushed for time tommorow so won't be able to get to anywhere that sells flowers, and there are no flowers in the garden, so it'll just be a card.

Since the day I met MIL I've tried so hard with her - but it's been difficult. The first time I met her we went for a meal, and she totally ignored me the entire time. I now realise it was becuase she was feeling nervous (but so was I!)I do get on with her really well now; DH and I just wish we could do more family things together, or that she would spend some time with the DC's.

But I suppose that is just self centred of us.

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ingles2 · 10/11/2008 00:26

It's awful when one of your pets die. My cat was run over a fortnight ago and the dc's and I were gutted. Still are really.
Shame you couldn't go over to her with some sympathy.
Also if her dh has mental health problems it sounds like things might be quite hard for her. Is you dh doing what he can to support his dm?

LynetteScavo · 10/11/2008 00:45

Her DH's mental health problems are just that he's nervous.I call them "mental health" problems, as I find it easier than explaining he's jsut so nervous about ornaments being broken, or drinks spilt, which makes him sound mean, which he's not- he's jsut never learned how to speak apropirately with DCs - which isn't his fault. I have a very nervous DS, so am sypathetic. Her DH is fine otherwise.

No, my DH is not doing anything to support his mum. He will go to work tommorow morning and work a 60 hour week untill Sat evening. He is S.E. and is beyond stressed about the economy. The 3 DC's are being quite demanding of him atm (or maybe it just feels like that to him) His DF phoned around the family last to say goodbye to everyone because he was going to trow himself under a train - and DH had to make sure he didn't. DH is the one who tries to make their who family "normal" and happy and he's just getting worn down by it. TBH, I don't think he's notice if one of our cats died atm.

MIL spends most of her time making curtains, and shopping/having coffee with one friend. She's the least stressed person I know,LOL!

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ingles2 · 10/11/2008 00:52

in that case Lynette I think you just have to accept that your pil's maybe just don't want to be as involved in the dc's life as you think they should be. When we have dc's we expect everyone to think they are wonderful and want to be fully involved in every aspect. When actually some grand parents are thinking... I've done my time with dc's, I don't really want to run around, listen to loads of noise, get involved in squabbles etc. It's not wrong, it's just different to what we expect.

LynetteScavo · 10/11/2008 00:57

LOL, FIL actually says that to us!

Maybe you're right, but why wouldn't MIL want to spend all her time with my fantastic, joyful DCs?

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sunnygirl1412 · 10/11/2008 09:19

Lynette - if it helps at all, I didn't read any of your posts as being sneery about your parents-in-law. You came over to me as someone trying to sort out a frustrating situation.

sunnygirl.

MadamDeathstare · 10/11/2008 14:56

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Lovesdogsandcats · 10/11/2008 15:01

Lynette, why have cats if you are not attached to them, are they like a piece of the furniture to you?
Am puzzled by your 'just a cat' attitude.

I am far more attached to my cats than my mother, so I know where your MIL is coming from!

georgiemum · 10/11/2008 15:02

Ahhh. Buy her some flowers and pop over. It is quite sad when your pet dies, especially if it had an accident.

Wigglesworth · 10/11/2008 15:12

Madamdeathstare, lol your friend....oh dear, sweet really most people flush em down the bog. I hope she buried the fish afterwards and didn't leave in the freezer.
OP, don't be too harsh on her if one of my cats was run over I would be devastated! As other posters have said maybe they just don't want to be as involved with DGC as you would like. I spend most of my time trying to get my parents to back off a bit, I don't think many people have a perfect relationship with their parents/PIL when it comes to DCs.

LynetteScavo · 10/11/2008 17:42

Lovescatsanddogs - we got our cats when I was aching for a baby, but coudn't have one. At the time I genuinely thought 2 cats would equal one child.(Oh how I've laughed about that one since)We got them when I was between jobs, and I actually put off finding a job to look after them. Well that's what I told myself, but with hind sight I was probably more afected by an early miscariage I had just before we got them, than I was prepared to admit to myself.

Of course they are more than furniture to me - I love snuggling with them in the evening, but to be honest, if my house was burning down, and it was a choice between saving a person or my cat, I would always choose the person.

I admit I'm much more of a people person than an animal person. I know other people prefer animals to people.

Anyway, I dropped the card round, and MIL was either out or not answering (I don't think she can see who's at the door, unless she actually comes to the door, IYSWIM)So I just posted the card.

Blimey this thread is turning out to be very theraputic; I've never talked about any of this with anyone in RL.

You probably all think I'm bonkers.

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EightiesChick · 11/11/2008 00:11

No, don't think you're bonkers LS, but you do obviously have different ideas and values to your MIL. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it just means you will judge events and so on differently.

I think her reaction to the cat should be considered separately to her relationship with your DCs, because as I think someone has already said, they are not really connected. I'm sure she is genuinely very upset about the cat. When one of our cats dies last year it was awful and I was certainly not in the mood for seeing anyone the day after. The card's a nice idea. You could also offer to help her take the cat to the vets for cremation or whatever she's going to do (if that's practical for you) if you want to help out. I also think that the cat may be a focus for her guilt/grief over her own mother's death.

Btw, I think it's not entirely fair to categorise this as 'preferring animals to people' - I prefer people to animals, but at the same time I'm very attached to my pets. Don't forget it's not a choice of saving the life of a child or a pet (which I think was your comparison) it's between grieving the loss of a much-loved pet and seeing children who will be there another day. I think I'd make the same choice tbh.

Sounds like it was already established, well before the cat incident, that she doesn't want the same relationship with your DCs that you would like her to have. Or perhaps her desire for that is outweighed, at any rate, by the phobias and anxieties and other problems that are presented by having that kind of relationship - she sounds as though she has a lot of these, what with her husband's problems and her own oddities. So really, your best option is probably to accept that, since you can't make her relate to you and your family in the way you want. The only other option would be to do it on her terms, since (to be blunt) you are more bothered about keeping up the family stuff than she is.

It sounds as if your DH is quite frustrated by the way his mother operates. Has he talked to her openly about it, or is it all done indirectly (or does it fall to you to try and work out a solution)? There is also the option of saying to her directly:

'We'd really like it if you'd see more of the DCs, but it doesn't seem to be your thing. Tell us honestly: is it that you just want a quiet life [giving her a get-out here] or would you like to see them more but there's a lot of stuff that gets in the way? Because if that's the case, we can try to work round it'.

The thing with this though, is that you will have to a) accept it if she says she doesn't want to, and b) take more of the strain yourselves in accommodating her if she says she does want to see them. So there's no great solution for you, but it might clarify where you stand.

Ivegotaheadache · 11/11/2008 10:03

I think there are a lot of issues with lynettescavo and her mil, and between her dh and his mother.
Probably in normal circumstances you would feel more sympathetic towards your mil over her cat dying, but if there are underlying issues then it's hard to feel that way - and that doesn't mean that you don't feel sad at the death of the cat, just that your anger sort of clouds that a bit.

I felt lik ethat when my pil dog died a few years ago, I didn't know this dog I'd only met her once but I love animals especially dogs (I have one myself) and can totally undersatnd the devastation felt when a pet goes but when my mil called very upset about the dog I did sympathise, and I did feel bad for her, but underneath I was thinking that she couldn't care less about her grandchildren (apart from her favourite one which isn't one of my 3), or her son (my dh) and only calls when she want something and all these other things that had happened over the years - well, it was hard to feel a hell of a lot for her tbh.

witchandchips · 11/11/2008 10:08

I have seen quite a few cases where a animal dies soon or even a few years after a close relative. The excess grief for the animal is often actually the re-emergence of grief for the close relative. Because there is no pressure to hold it all together, the outcome of grief as actually much worse the second time. could something like this be going on as well?

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