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How can I help my friend escape an abusive relationship?

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FriendNeedsHelp · 04/11/2008 09:36

This is likely to be long and rambling - I hope you can bear with me and perhaps give some advice, because I am very worried for this friend and her children.

Just over a year ago, a girl I vaguely knew from a toddler group moved into the flats opposite. Her dc are the same ages as mine, so we found ourselves walking to and from school together, going to the same birthday parties etc. and over time I have become something of a confidante to her.

I have always known that she has complex problems - poor housing, no money, unsupportive family and partner, learning difficulties - and I've tried to help out in every way I can.

For a long time I have suspected that the 'controlling tendencies' she talks about in the children's father went a little further than she was willing to discuss, but she's been very active in trying to get him out of the flat, and I thought SS were helping her with this.

Today she finally told me that he has been violent towards her - breaking a wrist and ribs in the past - and is often aggressive towards the children (who are 4 and 3). Basically, they live in fear, and the effects are quite evident in her children, the younger of whom has already been referred to a Child Psychologist.

He refuses to leave the flat, which is in a joint tenancy, so she can't change the locks. He has even suggested that she and children go to a hostel so he can stay! As if the HA would wear a single man in a 3-bed flat!

She tells me that she has tried to get an injunction against him, but the only witness to the violence is a 'friend' who won't make a supporting statement for fear of reprisals.

The situation seems to be spiralling downhill - both the kids were withdrawn and haunted-looking on the school run this morning; she has told me that she is depressed and alcohol-dependent, and getting worse (which makes her avoid seeking help because of the view SS might take of it).

I've suggested Women's Aid and the CAB and even just going to the hostel to be away from the situation, but she says she doesn't want to 'ruin Christmas'. Argh! She's even contemplating taking the children up to the partner's dad's place (he is also drunk, violent and abusive) for a week so they can see their cousins.

What on earth can I do? What is the best way forward? I feel like bundling her bodily to the police and Womens Aid and anyone else who will help, but she seems to have sunk so low now that she can't see a way forward.

Sorry this is so long; thanks for sticking with it. I have obv namechanged to protect her identity.

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HappyWoman · 04/11/2008 09:41

If there has been a broken wrist and ribs in the past there will still be a record of that - even if at the time she has some other excuse. She could still go to ss and explain about the fear. I dont think there has to be actual evidence at the time and surely the fact that the children are having problems is enough.

Good luck

FriendNeedsHelp · 04/11/2008 09:44

I've told her that SS would take her part, and take the mental abuse as seriously as the physical, but I think part of the problem is that she has a deep-seated suspicion of 'The Authorities'. She gets tongue-tied and finds it difficult to state her case or fight her corner. She needs something like a Citizen Advocate, I think. I'd be happy to do it for her, if they'd let me, though perhaps I'm too 'involved' iyswim.

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SpandexIsMyEnemy · 04/11/2008 09:49

can HA not help her?

how about your health visitor -i'm assuming your DC's are the same age - that might be your first port of call.

she needs help for the alchol on one level, to get the partner out on the next.

she also needs to get all the paper work together, and also a bag of clotehs/stuff for them all in case they need to flee at a moments notice.

can she have his name taken off the tenancy?

failing that if she moves out will HA evict him then and then have her move back in again?

will she go to the police - domestic voilence unit?

i'm guessing the P is saying to her that she;ll loose the kids if she leaves n the emotional black mail is also in there as well for good measure. they won't nec take the kids away from here - surely she has more change of them being taken away if she stays as they are??

priority for me would be to protect the kids. but then you don't want to appear interfering either iycwim. perhaps gently point out that she won't loose them if she flees him but mmight do if they stay like this??

FriendNeedsHelp · 04/11/2008 09:59

HappyWoman and Spandex, thanks so much! Lots to think about there.

I have left a message on the Womens Aid Helpline answerphone, so hopefully they will get back to me today too.

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laidbackinengland · 04/11/2008 10:07

Many areas now have female domestic violence caseworkers who could offer her 1-1 support ? Do you know if your area has one ?

FriendNeedsHelp · 04/11/2008 10:08

Laidback, I've just looked on the local police website, and they don't even have a DV unit . Maybe a different organisation might have one?

I'm going to have a look at SS next.

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FriendNeedsHelp · 04/11/2008 10:10

Aha, found a number for the local police domestic violence team now. It was not exactly easy to locate though .

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unavailable · 04/11/2008 10:13

She does not need a witness to the violence to get an injunction. The housing association will have a policy on dealing with domestic violence cases, and him being a joint tenant does not mean he is protected in these circumstances. Does she have a social worker? Whilst ss wont be able to give you any information, you can pass on your concerns about the violence to them. I wonder if she has told ss about the violence - I suspect not.

FriendNeedsHelp · 04/11/2008 10:17

Yes, she has a social worker, or at least, the children do, I think.

I have made a list of numbers for her to call, with some advice about how they can help.

I think if there is no plan in place by the end of the week, I might alert SS. The look on her ds' face when I asked him if he had a good half-term was heartbreaking.

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SpandexIsMyEnemy · 04/11/2008 10:30

please please, those kids are not old enough to fight ack n defend their selves, they need you to be strong & do it for them if their mum can't/won't.

BitOfFun · 04/11/2008 10:33

People have some good advice here - all I would add is that it can be hard for you making it your personal mission to save someone else if they don't want to be helped. I had a good friend I met in a situation very like the one you describe, and I moved heaven and earth to get her re-housed away from the bastard. At the last minute she invited him to move with her for a fresh start, and cut me out of her life , probably because she felt too embarrassed to stay friends. Last I heard she was seen walking a prostitutes' street, probably looking for money to support his and her painkiller addiction....There is sometimes only so much you can do, if a person does not want to help themself.

FriendNeedsHelp · 04/11/2008 10:40

How awful for you, BitofFun. I would hate to see that happen here, but I do understand there might come a point when I have to step back.

Womens Aid just phoned back with lots of really, really helpful phone numbers and advice. I feel quite hopeful that, if I can persuade her that she DOES have the power to change her life, she will take that step.

I think a lot of the problem is that she feels she has no agency in her own life .

Whatever happens, Spandex, those children are my main concern. I'll foster them if it comes down to it!

Anyway, I feel a bit more together and am off to pick up dd2 from nursery, where I'll see my friend. I'll pass on your advice - grateful thanks to all .

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FriendNeedsHelp · 21/11/2008 11:15

OK, I have an update on this, which leaves me with another dilemma.

I spoke to the friend, gave her loads of phone numbers/advice, and last week she finally took some steps towards getting away. The partner threatened her again, so she went to a Women's Outreach Project, who contacted her Health Visitor.

The HV came round on Tuesday, was very concerned, promised to speak to Social Services and see about getting her a place to stay.

The last time I saw my friend was Wednesday - she was expecting the HV round again the next day.

Yesterday, her dc were not at school - as the little girl had the beginnings of a chest infection, I thought perhaps they weren't well. Today they are still away, so I've been round twice to the flat to offer to go to the shops for them/help out, but it appears to be empty.

What I HOPE is that SS have moved them somewhere safe. Obviously I have some fears that this may not be the case.

Is there anything I could/should do?

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mysterymoniker · 21/11/2008 11:21

ah it is nice that she has such a good friend

some really good ideas above, concerned about poss child protection issues tho. talk to social services?

above all remind her she has choices, hope she is in touch soon if she has moved on

FriendNeedsHelp · 24/11/2008 09:59

Another update - spoke to dd1's teacher this morning, and it seems that my friend has taken the children to a refuge, though SS haven't confirmed it with the school yet.

I hope upon hope that it is true and the children are away from harm.

On the other hand - dd1 is going to be very upset at losing my friend's ds, whom she adored . I've already told her I think they've moved because they wanted to live in a house instead of a flat, but how can I explain why they didn't say goodbye?

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