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He loves me but isn't in love with me!!

56 replies

Spellcheck · 08/09/2008 14:46

Help! Has anyone else been through this? Are there any happy endings? My husband and I have been married for 10 years, and have three fantastic children aged 9,8 and 5. We live in a nice house, have a nice lifestyle and lots of friends, and life was soo good for so long. We were the perfect couple, he was so loving, kind and attentive and I was the dutiful supportive wife. I did always like a good night out and a few drinks, and I have had to squash this down in order to be the perfect mother - I went through PND and terrible isolation and he helped me through, but it's been so hard giving up my identity. I never resented it though, and worked hard to create a good compromise. He never seemed to really want to go out, and was always happy to be the one staying in, just being happy that I was enjoying myself. He is a senior manager at a company owned by his family, which he will one day take over the running of, I worked there too until last year. He is very ambitious, which I've always admired, and takes his job incredibly seriously. However, he's very materialistic and always spends according to what he'll be earning in a few years instead of now - we started sliding into debt. In the last few years I and his colleagues (all of whom are matey with him) noticed that he liked to be on his own at lunchtimes, where he used to play XBox footie with them all, and seemed quite stressed. When I asked him about it, he said he needed to be on his own sometimes to relax. I naturally assumed he was stressed at work as he had taken on too much, and everyone else concurred. He started not ringing his parents, lost contact with several friends, and I was so worried about him. After a few months of this eventually he confessed that he felt empty inside and couldn't be happy about anything. A year ago he had a bit of a breakdown at a party, we argued over nothing really, and he vanished overnight, turning up the next morning having stayed in a hotel. We apologised to each other for the row, but things never really returned to normal and alarm bells started ringing in my head. However, he has always been crap at speaking about his feelings if they are difficult, and we never really got to the bottom of it. His mother was diagnosed with cancer not long after, and it wasn't a great prognosis. He was upset about this, I was prepared to be the strong one for us both and support him, but though he cried at first he was never really devastated as you would imagine someone to be. We went on holiday a few months later and I suddenly got the impression he was starting to resent me. This made me worry, which caused more arguments which went round in circles and were never resolved. We realised we were heavily in debt and he decided we had to sell the house (I didn't want to). I had to organise the whole thing, once he made the decision he never gave it a thought. We had over 30 viewings and 10 full-asking-price offers, and I was heartbroken. Only when he realised that the huge loan we had secured against the house couldn't be even half paid off by selling it did he relent and pull out of the sale. At this point his mum was in the middle of heavy chemo, but he hardly rang her. Towards Christmas this year I noticed that he was beginning to look bored all the time, and that he never played with the kids any more, never took a real interest in what they or I did, just kind of "checked out". I started to fully believe he was seeing someone else, and the more I pressed it the shittier he got, until I checked his phone and found...The Message! Nothing particularly suspicious but it was quite affectionate and I didnt know who it was, which was odd. After a fair bit of digging (he didn't want to tell me anything) it turned out to be a woman at the gym who he chatted to, nothing happened, just texts, etc etc. He would never do it again. I stupidly believed him, and he was very loving over Christmas, loads of sex etc, so I assumed all was going to be ok. But we never really discussed anything, so it all simmered underneath the surface. One or two things happened that made me think he was seeing someone else and he was increasingly distant, paranoid about his mobile, and quite defensive. I tried to keep my distance in order to keep things going, and because I could see he wanted space. Also, his mum had a mastectomy so I assumed he was worried about that. Then one day I found him reading a message from Her on his mobile and he confessed he'd been sleeping with her since just before Christmas. She was married too. Obviously I was absolutely devastated. Still am, but I have worked my way through all of that, so proud of how I have turned it all around and not brought it up all the time, or rubbed his face in it, and have pretty much forgiven him because in the tiny bit of conversation we've had about it (he HATES talking about his feelings) it seems as though he felt trapped by me, suffocated by our life, and work, not to mention our HUGE, shameful debts etc, and needed to have some excitement with no consequences. He says he called it off there and then. That was four months ago, and things have been ok but he wouldn't talk about it, got shitty every time I wanted to talk about why it happened, what we could do to fix the relationship and prevent it happening again. He went to counselling on his own because I was so worried that he was depressed or stressed through suppressing his feelings - she said he was absolutely fine. He told her he was happy about his work, ok with his mum's situation, loved the kids, everything is fine, so what else could she do really? I have been trying to find a reason for all this so we can fix it but he keeps blocking me! Our sex life was completely normal, after I found out what he did, he took pains to make me see that he was making love to me, and made an effort to ring me when he left work so I'd know he wasn't meeting Her on the way (he still does that, actually), and did little things to show me I could trust him. After a while, all that started to wear off because his work has just got even bloody busier, and I am still trying to give him space. On the way back from holiday last month, he told me he loved me, but not in THAT way, and said our marriage was over. He got shitty when I tried to discuss this. Am I wrong in trying to find out where our marriage failed? I've been looking back and realise that I was quite possessive of him, I thought of our marriage as my identity, and he felt trapped sometimes, I also can see that we were very very close, not healthy but that is how we were. We are such good friends in other ways (makes his treatment of me even harder to bear), we get on so well, look after each other, he still hugs me and makes sure he kisses me before we go to bed (he won't go to bed without me, we've always gone up at the same time), touches me when he walks past me, holds my hand when we go out, and rings me from work to chat about our day, but says he doesn't fancy me and can't see it coming back. I've said he's hurt me so much, that if he confessed now that he's seeing someone else it won't make a difference but he swears he isn't and anyway he can see his affair for what it was (an escape). However, he is now refusing to have sex with me, because I said a few weeks ago that I hoped he wasn't using me - he said he wasn't . I need the closeness but I'm not forcing myself on him - any hugs or kisses are initiated by him. We finally had the first proper, useful conversation about it all last night and he said that the marriage isn't what he wants - he's conveniently forgotten all the stress of last year that all his friends at work noticed, and he wants to work until 10 every night, and at weekends too, and he wants to be completely selfish and not compromise as he feels he's compromised so much already. Yet also, if he leaves, that he will be a better more engaged father. How??!!!! He hasn't even thought about the money, how we can afford it and where he's going to live! I on the other hand think that we can save this marriage and both get what we want out of life with a richer, deeper, more healthy relationship (including me finding an interest outside Us and not obsessing about it all!). He sometimes says if he could have the relationship back to the way it was in the early years he'd do it. Some psychologists say it's definitely possible with hard work, honesty and commitment. I'm hoping that now we are FINALLY communicating and being honest, we can find a way back to each other. I went through a similar feeling years back, when I was struggling with the reality of being a wife and mother, not an attractive girl going out clubbing all the time, and had to really try hard to find him attractive again. I really want a healthier relationship with him, for our sake as well as the kids'. What does everyone else think? Are you still awake?!!

OP posts:
RubySlippers · 08/09/2008 15:01

honestly - do you want to save the relationship?

if so, counselling is a very good way forward

the silences/heavy spedning etc can be indicative of depression? The fact he had some sort of breakdown may confirm this?

RubySlippers · 08/09/2008 15:03

also, there is nothing wrong with trying to get to the bottom of the issue BUT if your DH has already bailed out of the marriage emotionally then am not sure what can be done

ginnny · 08/09/2008 15:04

You are a sympathetic lot on here aren't you .
Sorry you are going through such a crap time spellcheck.
I'm no expert but it seems to me your husband has thrown in the towel and given up on your marriage.
Things could be worked on but only if he is prepared to try as well, which from your post it doesn't sound as though he wants to, which is a shame after you have forgiven him for the affair and tried so hard, but you are fighting a losing battle if he won't try too.
Have you suggested going to Relate? Maybe if someone else made some suggestions he'd be more open to them.

forevercleaning · 08/09/2008 15:07

oh poor you! sounds like an awful stressful time you are going through so fist of all lots of virtual hugs.

I think you need some time apart. It will at least give you both a bit of space to consider everything. Then once you have that out of the way you need to talk, really really talk about what you both expect from eachother and what you both want from the marriage.

Once that is sorted you could perhaps go for counselling to help you move on.

If he is insistent that he doesnt want the marriage, then you must let him go. Nody likes being chased, most of all men.

PonderingThoughts · 08/09/2008 15:09

I read it all before the paragraphong as it was obvious to me that you just needed to get that all out!

(((HUG)))

It sounds to me that in the middle there, beforehis mum was diagnosed with Cancer, that he was starting to go through depression - maybe for many reasons. And if he had been treated for depression at that point, and then NOT had to deal with his mums cancer, then maybe it would have all be sorted out long ago.

However, it wasn;t and it sounds like things have just spirraled into a tangled mess for him. I think it sounds like he told his counsellor what she wanted to hear, rather than the truth OR he's just not telling you the truth about the councellors verdict.

I really think that councelling TOGETHER is the answer for your marriage. Not saying the councelling will save the marriage but it will help you both to make sense of things individually as well as a couple.

Can you get him to agree to some councelling together over a set period of time? I don;t think you have anything to lose, but much to gain.

Again, big hug and good luck x

RubySlippers · 08/09/2008 15:09

actually a trial separation could be a good idea as forever cleaning says

LittleMissTickles · 08/09/2008 15:12

Oh Spellcheck, I am so sorry you are going through this. I agree with forevercleaning, don't try to hold onto him too tightly. He may just need to try out his new fantasy-life of freedom and working all sorts of crazy hours, to realise how empty that life is.

He will probably return to you, but now is the time for you to grow stronger in yourself, and try to find happiness in other things, independent of him. You are stronger than you think, it will be ok in the long run. Really. But this is a hard time. Hang in there. How are the children doing?

Tigerschick · 08/09/2008 15:13

Sorry you are going through a rough time, SpellCheck.

I'm sorry but I think that the cliche about taking 2 to tango sort of fits here - if he has definitely decided that he doesn't want the marriage to continue then I don't know what you can do. It's a horrible situation to be in but, from your post, it seems that you aren't 100% happy either so, maybe in the long term, it might be the best option for you to end the relationship, or at least put it on hold for a while, and try to 'rediscover' yourself.

Probably not what you want to hear and not said with any experience or expertise, just my VHO.

expatinscotland · 08/09/2008 15:14

sorry, too hard to read without paragraphs.

anyfucker · 08/09/2008 15:15

I am very sorry, I have no advice but it does sound as if your marriage has run its course.

Both of you have put lots of effort in at different times, but never at the same time IYSWIM.

Incidentally, I did read the whole thing even without the paragraphs. Some of you ladies need to learn a bit of patience, it was written straight from the heart and must have taken ages to do. Comments like the 1st few are likely to make her feel she has come to the wrong place for support.

Stick around OP, there will be some more posters coming on throughout the day who will have some good advice for you.

Good luck.

Tortington · 08/09/2008 15:24

i think he's a hit - and that you should try and work out your own future financially , housing etc. if you keep simpering after the pathetic selfish fool it only makes him feel better.

i bet my arse that if you did some research and said
"look, this is what i have found out today - when (not if) you leave i will be entitled to
x
x
x
x
you will have to pay
x
x
x
x

we can sell the house, it can pay off some of out debts - however i have an appt to see a solicitor to find out where i stand legally - i suggest you do the same.

oh and By the way darling - you do realise that once you leave. I am certainly not going to be a crying wailing NUN.

In the future you will have to face the prospect of another man parenting your children - and perhaps i may have a few more with someone else.

I am just reminding you dear, that the world will not stop once you leave. I will not crumple up and die. I will live, be happy, have sex and enjoy my life as you intend to enjoy yours.

just keep it in mind sweetie."

sweetgrapes · 08/09/2008 16:11

Got through without the paragraphs....

Chin up sweetie. You'll get through this one day. ((hugs))

He's an a£$%^ole going through midlife crisis and/or depression. Seriously, what custardo writes here makes good sense. It might change his mind about trying to save the marriage.

Spellcheck · 08/09/2008 19:27

Thanks for all advice so far . I know in my heart you are all right - I shouldn't force him to stay or he will just go for ever.

LittleMissTickles - the kids: DS (middle child) misbehaving and attention-seeking a lot of the time. He worries me. The other two are fine. I've tried to let them know we both love them whatever, and we try not to discuss anything in front of them. So hard to keep it all together!

OP posts:
solidgoldbrass · 08/09/2008 19:33

I am sorry that you are having such a bad time but you cannot 'save' a relationship when your former partner no longer wants to be in the relationship. COunselling is a good idea because it helps to make the breakup as civilised as possible.

TotalChaos · 08/09/2008 19:40

agree with the advice already given. get legal advice and try to cover your arse financially as best you can.

muckypups · 08/09/2008 19:51

God i cant read all of that, its not sinking in. But yes been through it 12 weeks ago. You can e mail me if you like or do you have msn for quick chat

muckypups · 08/09/2008 19:53

sorry hope that didnt sound harsh what i meant was that the words are just swimming in front of my eyes and im not taking it in. been a long day

girlsnextdoor · 08/09/2008 20:16

I don't know- all I know is that I feel the same about my DH as your DH feels about you. Feelings change. Some people can hang on in the marriage as friends, some can't. He has a responsibility to your children, despite what he feels for you- maybe he should put them first and you should ask him to do that. I cannot imagine it coming back, but maybe you should try counselling and having "quality" time together- awful phrase, but you know what I mean.

Danae · 08/09/2008 20:57

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ShinyHappyPeopleHoldingHands · 08/09/2008 22:56

Oh spellcheck, you poor woman.

I read your whole post, the first one, before it was seperated into paragraphs. I wish people weren't laying into you about the papragrpahs. They would have made it easier but what is contained therein makes format irrelevant. I managed and my eyes just aren't working properly at all because all day on and off I have been crying into my contact lenses (which are now fogged up and won't focus but won't put glasses on as still don't want to appear ugly to DH I am MAD) due to my similar-ish current situation but definitely dead in the water marriage to a DH I still love so much but who doesn't love me "in that way" so it turns out after months, nay years of heartache on my part try to hold us together. We are splitting up and it hurts so badly.

You sound so strong; I am full of admiration and a little afraid of your optimism. I hope hope hope it can work out for you but you can't make him want the same as you and you should beware of losing yourself completely in the process of "giving him space" (which he has abused in the worst way!) and trying to be what he wants.

I'm sorry not to be much help. I just wanted to offer my love and support/compassion. I am thinking of you.

LittleMissTickles · 08/09/2008 22:59

Perhaps you can encourage your DH to spend a bit of time with just your DS. Would certainly help your DS and perhaps his dad too.

My heart really feels like it's a bit broken for you. x

muckypups · 09/09/2008 12:32

Hiya Spell xheck again. I have read through and im so sorry for what your going tjrough. I know it really hurst and is soul destroying. I have been through the same recently and he too was involved in an emotional relationship with a woman from work.
We have however worked through it and things are better than ever. I think its becuase i was alot to blame for his feelings towards me.
You seem different as does your Dh. You have tried and tried but he doesnt seem to want to try and turn things around.
I had to make my dh see the woman he fell in love with again and you seem to have been there, done that, so im not sure if you will have the same happy ending.
he is focused on the gym woman and not you and untill she is out of the picture then he wont be able to turn his feelings back to you.
It sounds like he has had some kind of midlife crisis and i dont think you can help him much more. he needs to look at his life, at what he has to loose and how lucky he is. Life isnt always greener on the other side, which is what i said to my husband. I told him to leave and that i wouldnt ever come second but luckily he didnt go. I think if the ow had had her chance though she would have had my husband which is very sad as she knows me and knows we are a large family.
My Dh is a talker and very honest so let me know he had feelings for some one else before, if he hadnt then it would have been a fully blown affair.
If your husband wont talk to you properply about his feelings then maybe counselling will help, i also read a book called 'i love you but im not in love with you' it helped me immensley and some kind mumsnetter recomended it to me. Maybe you could get it, it may help

Sorry for waffling, i hope ive helped a little. keep us posted, stay strong and try and stay at least looking confident and happy even if its hurting on the inside. My self esteem issues and wieght loss was a huge turn off for my Dh.

jamescagney · 09/09/2008 12:38

Hi Spellcheck. sorry for this awful mess you're going through. You said you gave up your identity at the beginning- why?
I want to echo what other posters have been saying, the marriage has run its course, you must plan for you and your dcs and that means a life without your h, to a greater or lesser extent (sounds like he wasn't "there" a lot anyway).
You can't make someone happy/love you, you can't make yourself happy by being something you're not. All the best

GirlWithTheMouseyHair · 09/09/2008 12:50

oh honey I'm so sorry you're going through this and want to echo what others have since said about the first few posts - regardless of whether you can read the OP or not, it's hardly helpful to just leave things like "sorry I can't read that", I managed it as did others, try and be a bit more supportive!

Joint counselling sounds like a good idea but also sounds like it will take a lot of work to get him to open up - seems he's just so used to bottling his feelings up, but the fact that he's been to counselling before is definately good, it just may take him a while to get over talking about his feelings. I think it's worth trying to talk to each other, he may be stuck in a pit of depression and sees the only way of freeing you from it as being "in love but not fancying"...maybe I'm being naive but it may be worth giving him the benefit of the doubt

In the meantime, do look after yourself, you're spending so much energy on him you musn't neglect how you're feeling. Really hope that whatever happens you come out stronger than ever

sparkybabe · 09/09/2008 12:51

Spellcheck (and shinyhappy) - I read your post (with no trouble ) and I feel for you. I am on the other side - I dont love or fancy my dh any more. The position at the mo is that I am trying to get through to him that the marriage is over, without crushing him in the process. There is no-one else, but I feel much like you do, have lost 17 years bringing up kids, supressing the attractive flirty partygirl I used to be, and now I want some of that back. I want to be ME again, not part of a couple, or 'just mum'. I have said to dh that I have no problem being half of a 'partnership' looking after the kids, but not as half of a couple. I feel 'owned', and I don't want that any more.

Yes He may want some independence of his own, and I agree with custy that you should not put your life on hold for him, but you are still both parents. Nothing can change that, whether he wants it or not. BUT he does not have to be your husband if he doesn't want to be.