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Very long, be patient.Fiance has begun lying to me. I don't know what to do :( Are we finished?

58 replies

luvlymummy · 14/08/2008 12:31

I am a regular but lately I have posted a couple of times under this name as I seem to be having problems with my fiance who I always maintain is the best man ever, and I thought he was.

Background info: I posted a while ago saying that he avoided taking me to gatherings and had gone to a christening that day where he was to be God father but he made me feel so unwelcome I ended up not going when me and DS had got all dolled up ready. He said he was very depressed and he'd only go and show his face then come home. 13 hours later he returned pissed.

He rang me at some point and said he loved me and all this nice stuff and then stayed out even longer. He always says how much he loves me when he's drunk and then he takes the piss and stays out too long.

The next week, I found out from a girl that he had been out afterwards with 3 of his mates, 1 of his mates girlfriends and this particular random girl who had turned up unexpectedly at our son's christening. I was furious about this as he'd told me no girls would be going out with them, no one was taking their girlfriends and I'd be out of place and sat with loads of lads.

DP has been a player in his past life, and I was a big flirt and dressed slutty in all honestly, but I was only 21 when we met, and |I settled down immediately and never flirted or dressed slutty again. He made it obvious straight away that he'de been cheated on and treated very badly by his ex fiance, and so he wouldn't tollerate me cheating or even being around other men. I sort of said this was ok as long as the same applied to him- he wasn't to associate with girls anymore. There were potentially a lot of people who could have caused problems as we both sort of had plenty of people on the go. But it all stopped immediately. My ex started txting me and DP went mad, even though I told my ex not to get in touch again, and that was the end of it.

We were totally in love and when we'd been together 4 months we got engaged. It was the right thing to do- we love each other very, very much and we get on well with each other's family's. We treat each other very well and my parents love him. I got pregnant at the same time we got engaged and we have a beautiful baby now, and we're a happy family.

However, since when I got pregnant, he stopped wanting sex despite having been practically a sex addict before, and since we've had the baby he doesn't often want it- I sort of get rejected a lot. He says this is due to working hard, being tired, and having the baby.

We've never lied to each other and things have never been tainted in any way. However, he gave up smoking after we'd been together a month and I HATE smoking. I also don't want him to be a smoking dad. Yet it turns out he has been smoking secretly at work. I caught him out last night. He has me run a bath for him for when he gets in from work- and now I know why! Something happened and he didn't end up having a bath straight away. We were sort of cuddling and play fighting and stuff when I smelt his hand and realised he'd been smoking. I was in a quiet mood all night and it was upsetting him. When we went to bed he kept trying to make conversation and he never usually does, he likes to sleep because he works early. So this morning, he seemed to want sex and I said no for the first time ever. He said that I obviously had someone else lined up and he said I'd gone off him. I said I was tired.

Then I said I'd been awake all night and upset. He said 'because I'm you're failure?'

When he went to work I txtd him and started asking questions about when he'd been out that night with the lasses and he went mad saying I don't trust him. I told him that my trust had been shaken because everytime I;ve mentioned him smoking he's gone off his head saying that I don't trust him and how could I think that about him and all this stuff. Which is exactly the same as if I asked if he'd cheated or anything else. So how am I meant to know what's lies and what's truth?

He told me to stay at my mum until I could trust him. I said ok. So he got even more upset.

In the end we sorted it all out and he's not going to smoke and he's not going to lie and keep things from me and he's going to stop being in a bad mood all the time and try to get things back on track.

But I'm worried that if he's lied to me about smoking when he was so adament he hadn't smoked and he made me feel so terrible and like I was a paranoid untrusting ridiculous woman, then when he makes me feel paranoid and stupid and nasty for not trusting him and asking if he's cheated, is he lying when he gets all shouty and defensive?

I'm just all lost.

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nowwearefour · 14/08/2008 12:52

You could be with a man who does notlie to you or smoke or ask you not to see certain people. you could be with someone who treats you as an equal. but it wont be this man. it must be so hard as he is the father of your child. it wontget better. you life could be happier than it is or will be with this man. but you ahve to realise this for yourself. do what is best fr your dc. noone can tell you what that should be. really thinking of you.

cocolepew · 14/08/2008 12:55

You say he loves you, but to me he has a funny way of showing it. Just because someone says they love you doesn't mean they do or will treat you well.

HuwEdwards · 14/08/2008 12:55

Why do you think he should be able to tell you what you are and aren't allowed to do?

You're not his child or his dog, you are a grown woman.

I think you really need some relationship counselling before you decide whether your wedding should go ahead.

SilkCutMama · 14/08/2008 13:01

And on really harsh note - sorry about this

If you need relationship counselling BEFORE a wedding, what does this say about the relationship?
It does not sound good darling

Sending you love

luvlymummy · 14/08/2008 13:30

Thanks for all the support. Think it's time to make or break really.

Also, why doesn't he want to have sex with me?

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PortAndLemon · 14/08/2008 13:37

You first post, I thought "I can see why she's bothered but they ought to be able to work this out".

Then you got onto "I'm not allowed to wear short skirts, or have any time to myself in case I cheat, and if I went out with a group of lads and lasses he'd probably never forgive me."

DO NOT MARRY THIS MAN. Run away very fast, in fact.

CuckooChocolateOrange · 14/08/2008 13:40

You poor thing. IF the wedding weren't booked and paid for it would all seem a lot clearer. THat is clouding what would otherwise be clear in your head.

He's the father of your child, and it's hard enough to leave the father of your child (I know that) but when the wedding is looming........ Very hard.

But by the sounds of it, he has very misogynist behaviour. He MAY be a good man basically and you may get on well with him as a friend. BUT I think if you go ahead and marry him, you will be controlled to within an inch of misery and he will do whatever he likes and just keep lying until he comes up with the lie that keeps you happy or keeps you quiet. Whichever...

Please, please don't marry him.

TheHedgeWitch · 14/08/2008 14:30

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lizinthesticks · 14/08/2008 14:37

"I can tell from your response that you will indeed marry this man. I fear that nothing we say will make you change the path the you are on

I hope it ends better than I fear it will

Good luck"

Yep.

prettybird · 14/08/2008 14:44

Please sit down and talk to each other. He is trying to control you far too much - but you also sound like you are quite controlling - and are capable of bringing up things that are from a while back. it deosn't sound like a healthy relationhip - and just 'cos you have already paid for it is not a reason to go ahead with a wedding.

At the moment, the expectations you have of each other are not realistic and do not bode well for the future of the marriage, should you go ahead.

Counselling is appropriate before marriage becasue even if you don't get married, you still have an ongoing relationhip as parents to your child.

duke748 · 14/08/2008 14:55

May I ask how old you each are and how long you have been together?

SofiaAmes · 14/08/2008 14:57

I can guarantee you that he will not change. He will cheat on you and lie to you for the rest of your lives together. You will absolutely regret marrying him. Please call off the marriage. There are better men out there who will be honest, faithful and treat you well.

solidgoldbrass · 14/08/2008 15:03

FFS bin him NOW. And when you have binned him, do some work on yourself so you don't get into another relationship as paranoid, controlling and messed up as this. He comes across as a sexist pig who might well turn into an abuser (ie if he's nagging you about your clothes now he will soon be ripping up the stuff he doesn't approve of and quite possibly beating you) but you come across as needy and desperate. It's far better to be single than to be clinging on to some arsehole because you can't stand to be alone.

cremolafoam · 14/08/2008 15:09

one thing
you will never be happy living under the constraints of the rules you and he have set up.someone is always going to go astray or fail to live up to expectations.pretending to be people you are not will cause so much pressure it can only lead to one of you blowing a gasket.
Ask yourself :
do i deserve this life? Is this what I want ?
he has a lot of growing up to do by the sounds of it.
It's your choice- no one elses.
Do not let the wedding prepartions affect the whole of your life.
Good Luck and Be Happy

Luvlymummy · 14/08/2008 15:17

Please could someone list the things we need to change and how so that I can work on it as I have a few months to play with before the wedding.

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PortAndLemon · 14/08/2008 15:24

Trying to control what you wear.

Trying to control how you spend your time (no time to yourself "in case you cheat", FFS!).

Trying to control who you see.

And vice versa if you do that to him too.

objectivity · 14/08/2008 15:28

You can't sort this out in time for the wedding,you know that don't you?

prettybird · 14/08/2008 15:32

And ditto the other way: you need to trust him more and allow him to have time "out" with mates, which may include groups of people which include girls and (even though I hate it): the important thing is that he has stopped smoking at home. If he smokes occasionally eslewhere, that is not the end of the world.

peppamum · 14/08/2008 15:38

If you really think he's right for you, and he does you, then you need to get some counselling, and really communicate with each other. It's so unlikley that you'll just sort this by yourselves.

But you both need to accept that there are problems in your relationship that both of you need to change to see if what you have is worth it.

I hope you do, as there's obviously a lot of love there, and, of course, a child.

I agree with all who've said that not allowing each of you to speak to the oppsoite sex is terrible, much worse than lying about smoking

Heated · 14/08/2008 15:41

Getting some pre-marriage counselling would be a very good idea so you can each see who you are marrying, as you don't sound like you know. People can grow and change but they have to have that revelatory moment, not just give you the words they think you want to hear so you shut-up about it.

CountessDracula · 14/08/2008 16:01

Oh and I'm not allowed to wear short skirts, or have any time to myself incase I cheat, and if I went out with a group of lads and lasses he'd probably never forgive me, which he's already admitted

That is the bit that is worrying

He sounds very controlling and it will only get worse

Heated · 14/08/2008 16:06

Ok, I won't be telling you to run for the hills. It's hard to convey the complexities of a relationship on here & you asked for some pointers.

I find it odd that he can't tell you that he hasn't stopped smoking, a partnership that is building towards marriage ought to be able support each other on issues like this.

Why can't you say ok but please don't hide it from me, you don't have to lie. Turn it around so he wants to confide in you: I'm really pleased you've stopped smoking at home, around me and the baby; it's really thoughtful you have a bath so we don't smell the smoke on you, as you know I don't like it.

cremolafoam · 14/08/2008 16:15

TRUST
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control maturity
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self esteem resposibilties
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freedom working together
of choice

you need to work through all these areas
but more importantly so does he
You have recognised that something is wrong and are even at the point of wanting to do something about it.
He hasn't even recognised and admitted that there is a problem. He will not have done so and worked through it with you in a couple of months. You will both have to commit to the long haul of building a viable relationship together.
Or to walk away

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