Do male/female relations need a factory reset?

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I think many would say that straight male female.relationships, including but not solely romantic ones, are in a period of flux.
Simply, in developed western countries women can now choose whether or not to be in a relationship, whereas previously it was often ecomomic and social necessity to do so, and women could not leave unsatisfactory situations.
Straight male entitlement to womens time, love, bodies & attention has persisted beyond the structures that kept it fulfilled.
Hence the situation of the manosphere, of men and women's social & political divergence, and of many many women now choosing fulfilled singlehood as a preferable option. Many men are depressed, angry, entirled and probably lonely.

There may need to be a period where it is nornalised to not be in a relationship. Men in particular need to start creating warmer and more supportive friendships with each other, plus get their house in order in relation to finances, health, fitness, personal development etc. Many more men will be longterm single, and they will need to adapt.

Perhaps on the other side of this sea is a place where women no longer have to live in permanent fear of men. Where domestic violence, control, rape etc become history. I hope people can then just live in some kind of harmony, treat each other as people, not as units to be competed with/for.

What in the AI nonsense is this …

No - women's relationship to men doesn't need to be reset. Even today, I see so many women having a low bar and putting up with things they shouldn't as it is. Women are incredibly tolerant. Too tolerant.

The romantic relationship aversion you're seeing now is the entirely justifiable response of centuries of women being treated as stupid or less-than, at best, and nothing more than domestic, reproductive and sex slaves at worst.

Now, women are having to contend with porn, Only Fans and very blurry online boundaries on apps like Instagram. This is in addition to dealing with entirely average looking men who feel entitled to having a woman that looks like a model, and who look back with rose-tinted glasses to time where women did not have as much economic freedom as they do now.

It is their attitude towards women who needs 'resetting'.

I think we’ve all unrealistic expectations, men want things to be like the honeymoon period, women want men to keep up with their own unrealistic expectations when it comes down to it (having it all, good job, clean house but kids getting enough time to flourish).

The word compromise seems to be gone and allowances aren’t made any more, everything is too much of a battle! I think we’re all flawed and we assume men are the whole problem (to be fair they’re a chunk of it but we’re definitely not perfect either) but it’s life, society and unreasonable unrealistic standards

Written by someone (or something) who doesn't understand men.

@Morepositivemum Despite the fact the original post is more or less nonsense and, as another poster suggested, AI-generated (it's the OP's only post/comment here), it brings up interesting things. The one that stands out the most for me is the way we portray ourselves when we're trying to hook a partner. We advertise the "best" version, a totally unrealistic version, of ourselves, that there's no way we can maintain long-term. Alain de Botton, who runs the School of Life organisation (lots of stuff on YouTube) has a lot to say about that: "Why you'll marry the wrong person," that sort of thing.

We don't lie to prospective partners, though: we just don't know ourselves well enough.

Go home Chat GPT, you’re drunk.

Men in particular need to start creating warmer and more supportive friendships with each other, plus get their house in order in relation to finances, health, fitness, personal development etc.
Agree, men need to step up.

Perhaps on the other side of this sea is a place where women no longer have to live in permanent fear of men. Where domestic violence, control, rape etc become history.
But this is still a man problem though. It's the same thing as above. Men need to step up and leave women the fuck alone until they've done the work to become decent human beings.

Females (or women 🙄) do not need a factory reset. Men do.

WinterBlues26

I only half agree with you as I think women could also do with some form of a factory reset- even if we had a partner that did total fair share would we still want to absolutely have it all? And at times we don’t even know what we want! And we’d still have our hormonal shite which let’s not be fooling anyone here, we all have extreme irrational, lunatic moments where we can’t even explain why we’re unhappy!

Dh puts up with a lot from me, I do with him too- the ltb brigade on mn will never get that, they think towels on the ground, not enough help equals an automatic they’re out, but the reason people stay with people isn’t always money or fear of being alone, it’s that the person stuck by us when we weren’t at our best and we’ve both seen each other at best or worst. The problem is sm is exhasberating the flaws, calling them red flags as an automatic get out, and saying we should all have the perfect, which doesn’t exist because we’re human!!

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Robot posting. Don't hold your breath waiting for a return..........

Looking at my own experience of relationships, and those of people I know, one thing that stands out is how little effort some people (predominantly but not exclusively men) put into thenselves after they've got into a relationship. Its also true of course that both men & women sometimes don't even put in much of an effort when looking for a relationship. I have known many more men than women who have got very, very lazy in their approach to life in general post marriage.

And are you claiming your observations are representative of the population in general and, if so, what's your evidence for that?

Your view of men is skewed. MEN have CHOICE too and can quite comfortably live a single life through that choice.