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New motherhood bringing back sad memories of abusive parenting (sorry, very long)

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AdelaideJo · 23/06/2008 20:13

Hi there,

I wanted to ask if anyone has experience of, once they became a Mother, finding it difficult to reconcile a past abusive home life from when they were teenagers or children?
I am not a victim of sexual abuse or violence, but of mental and emotional cruelty from my mother and her partner, which I experienced in a very intense and traumatising way from ages 15 to 18. At 18 they threw me and my belongings out (quite literally).
I lived in an incredibly opressive, obsessive compulsive-driven home, where I was not permitted to have friends my mother and her boyfriend didn't approve of i.e. no one from the council estate behind our cul-de-sac (sorry Carolyn and Gabriel, for that day) (yes, pathetic isn't it). I had neither smoked nor taken drugs or had a serious sleeping-with-him boyfriend. But I was so severely restricted that I wasn't permitted to ever stay at friends houses for sleepovers as I "had a perfectly good bed upstairs" (him).
I was not allowed to express myself through the typically teenage way of dressing badly and was even once frogmarched back to a jeans shop after I purposely bought jeans 2 sizes too big (it was the Happy Mondays phase and I was 16). The house I lived in was clean to the point of, well, I'm sure you can imagine. But imagine being a girl going up to her room after doing the washing up, only to be called back downstairs by your Mother's boyfriend and being told to "wipe the drips out of the sink NOW". Or being given your book that you left on the coffee table because it was "cluttering the place up" (him).
My Mother had a very bad temper at this stage in her life and when we shouted, she stepped things up a gear by regularly hitting me over the head with her flat palm. When she wanted to get a point across to me she would jab me hard in the chest with her finger to emphasise the words. There were many times that I ran up the stairs to the bathroom after she lost it and became violent. When I was 17, I told her that if she hit me again I would hit her back and she replied that I wouldn't have anywhere to live in that case. This became true 1 month after my 18th birthday and I didn't speak to my Mother or her partner for 10 years to the month. She came back into my life when I experienced a difficult divorce and my Father went to tell her about it, and reconciled us (this was not my decision, but his).
I could go on but I need to get to the main point. Which is, when I was pregnant, I was delighted at the thought of my Mum becoming a grandmother. At the weekend, they were kind enough to offer to look after my DS so myself and my DP could get a full night's sleep. I could not sleep in that house. I spent most of the night reliving the horrible things that had occurred there. Because you see, nothing had changed. The tense, stifling atmosphere was exactly the same as it had always been except before my DS was born, I could live with it. Now I wonder how they could have behaved like that towards me. Is this because I am now a Mother myself? I made the fatal error of becoming angry on the Sunday morning and implying that I hadn't been able to relax because I kept remembering stuff. My Mother's response, as always, was to tell me that the "issues" were "my issues".
I accept that they are but I also accept that I will never get over what they did. How can I try to ensure a constructive (and most importantly, safe) relationship with them for the sake of them seeing her grandchild?
Any advice welcome.

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Anna8888 · 26/06/2008 09:12

I think you have made the right decision, AdelaideJo . A very brave one, too.

Your mother and - particularly - stepfather seem to be emotionally horribly stunted people who maintain one another in their own little dysfunctional system and use emotional blackmail ("disappointed in you for your outburst") to try to make you toe their own line.

It is terribly sad to have to cut off contact with your own family but I am sure you are right that they will always cause you more grief than joy.

Weegiemum · 26/06/2008 09:48

Adelaidejo - I wonder if you need to get some kind of coselling to deal with this.

I was abandoned by my mother at age 12. I had counselling in my early 20s, but after dd2 (3rd baby) was born 4 years ago I ended up a total psychiatric mess.

Spoke to the psychiatrist after I overdosed - he was brilliant. I tried to sweep my past - Mother etc - under the carpet but he insisted on talking about it and I broke down. I said I didn't know why this was bothering me again now - he said cos when I had had counselling the last time I was not the mother of 3 kids - which is what my Mum chose to leave.

I am great now, have come out of all my depression problems (though choose to no longer have contact with my mother, for many reasons), though there are still times that bother me. Like when my ds was the age my brother was when mum left. I know that when dd1 - our oldest - is 12 it will be hard for me as well.

You have to be self aware, not let them get to you, and do what needs done to protect your family and your own mental health.

ALl the best, Weegie xx

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AdelaideJo · 26/06/2008 12:26

I should have been a bit clearer. Even though the relationship I have with her is challenging and constantly needs managing, it isn't her I don't want to see anymore. What I mean is, when I didn't see her for 10 years it was brilliant not to have to deal with it, but there was always the nagging nagging guilt in the back of my mind. Plus I'm a decent human being and I knew that as I'm an only child, she'd be really bloody suffering having no contact with her only child.
My decision has been that I won't go into their house anymore (the place where her DP behaved so tyrannically and where she had a violent temper) because I can't deal with it, and I don't want my son in that house either. There is not one speck of dust or thing out of place, all the towels are lined up etc etc. You get the picture I'm sure. I just don't want him to be in a place like that because his Mum has taken him there. I'm happy to her to come and visit us (short train ride away) or meet her in town. I just don't really want her DP to have any influence or position in my DS's life.
I know she will labour the point and not really accept what I do; it will start off okay but then she'll begin to make little remarks about how much her DP would like to see Seth and how "terribly sad" it all is.
I have had many different types of counselling for this over the years; CBT, psychiatry and person-centred and am no stranger to either the mental health system, anti-depressants, or depression proper. Because I have reconciled in my mind how I feel about them, I don't want anymore counselling, but actually putting the decisions into practice will be the tough part because she is an absolute nightmare to try to manage.

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ally90 · 26/06/2008 13:53

Over here thread for adult children of abusive families.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/06/2008 14:11

"She just kept saying "but he's done so much for you etc etc etc".

They always say that!. This is actually just one sort of typical response that toxic parents come out with (its a veiled attack). To my mind both your Mother and her partner are both toxic and are as bad as one another. Both have abused you horribly to date.

Do look at the other thread that Ally has posted up details of.

You don't have to try an manage a relationship that cannot in any way be actually managed. You've done a lot over the years to try and help your own self but what have they done exactly?. I bet you a crisp five pound note that they have done nothing of the sort with regards to sorting out their own myriad of issues. They likely also think that they've always acted correctly.

OneLieIn · 26/06/2008 14:33

Hi Adelaide - I know exactly what you mean. When you become a mum, you start to see your own mother in a different light and how she parented you. Both DH and I have violent families in the past growing up and we made a promise never ever to hit our children. Now there are times when DS especially gets us to a very serious point where we could, but we both talk and talk and talk about it.

My kids have seen my father once - he was violent drunk - and that's enough. I wrote to him and said that that was it, no more. I am not afraid of him - some days I think I made the wrong decision (when I am feeling very charitable), but then I just think life's too short. I don't get to see the people I want to see, let alone have enough time to spend with him out of duty. Now they are at an age where very occassionally they will ask why they don't see him and I tell them he was a bully to mummy when she was a little girl and we don't like bullies. They normally ask a couple of questions about the bully and then go 'ok'. It hasn't damaged my kids in any way not seeing him and I think they are actually better off for not doing so.

On a separate note, I do think motherhood brings your own childhood sharply into focus. DD is nearly at the age where I was first raped by a babysitter and I went through a terrible stage a month or two back of being able to think of nothing else really. I would look at her little body and think how the fuck could somebody do that to me when I was her age? It made me realise that my mother was actually pretty shit and put her head in the sand all of the time. (wipes away tears)

I won't be like that. I will be a fantastic and wonderful mother to my kids who will protect them to end of the earth. You can be different, you can just make yourself a promise every day to be different and carry it through.

AdelaideJo · 26/06/2008 16:57

I am off at that toxic thread as I type. Have had such a better day today, have hardly even thought about either of them really and hopefully I won't hear from anyone for a few weeks now...
Thanks to everybody who mentioned their own horrible parent experiences, it means a lot when you hear (particularly this) that many people had a far worse time than you and got through it.
xx

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Thinkstoomuch · 26/06/2008 20:39

OneLieIn

AdelaideJo - Your mum should be very grateful that you're so generously minded over it all when she's not done much to deserve it. I think you're dealing with all this admirably and sound in a very healthy place mentally and I hope the solution you've come up with works out well for you and your DS.

Hobnob76 · 28/06/2008 08:18

AdelaideJo, I'm so sorry that you are having todeal with this. I think you've made the best decision, you do need to cut her and DP out of your lives.

I too was emotionally and physically abused as a child, and I'm still to this day dealing with all that I went through. I'm not a parent yet but DH and I are thinking of TTC in the next year or so. I'm absolutely worried to death that being a new parent will throw everything back up again. DH thinks I'll make a fab mum, but I'm not so sure, afterall I've not had the most brilliant role models have I ?

I really hope that you manage to get on with your lives now. Wishing you loads of love and luck.

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