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Apology need?

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BNathan · 05/05/2026 09:33

Hi, i am 30 years old. i need some advice. starting the first of February i met a girl ( lets call her B 22 year old) i found interesting and so i asked her out on a date for the 7. on the same day, on my way to the date i met an old high school junior of mine. she (lets call her U 25 year old) and a few more of my high school juniors didnt have a place to stay for the weekend so i accommodated them for the weekend. a few days passed than U and i started chatting. first as normal chats than they turned flirty. a week later we started chatting romantically (talking stage). during the month of march, i have been romantically talking to U and B. As from the first week of March my ex girl friend reached out and asked that we be friends as she doesn't want to be on bad terms with an ex . i agreed to the friendship. everything was platonic between my ex and i. towards the end of march 2026, i asked U to be in an exclusive relationship with me. she agreed. during the month of march on a particular day, i had went and fetch U from a night club, turns out my ex was there as well and i almost ran over her as she was pretty drunk crossing the parking lot. I saw her run and kiss someone that night in the parking lot. i thought she finally moved one. thats great. she went home with a mutual friend of mine. later that night my friend called me telling me that my ex girlfriend was acting hysterical. running on the balcony naked and had burned her lip with a piece of hot coal in the house. the mutual friend had asked that i go pick her up cos she didnt feel safe anymore and some random man came to see my ex girlfriend. she kept on telling me about the events of the night. i got a bit worried about my ex girlfriend's behavior. the following day i texted my ex saying "so you kiss people outside of night clubs now . she later responded the following day that she was drunk and that she would like to explain so she invited me over for a talk. i agreed. the day of the talk, B had asked me that i pick her up on my way from work, i agreed but since she was spending time though out the day with her friends i wanted to spend time with mine as well after work befire heading home. though i agreed to pick her up. during our communication that day i had a miscommunication with her as i though she told me she would take a cab home so i than drove to my ex girlfriends place, we drank and spoke about the night of the night club. i consoled her and she said she simply had drunken fun. i left her place after about 2 hours and went home. i told B that i was with my friend MJ. each time i referred to my ex girlfriend to U, i would call her MJ (which is her actual name but B doesnt know). come end of march when i asked U to be exclusive with me, i went on a night drive, as i work as a private driver as a side hustle. my sister had come to town with her boyfriend and didnt have a place to stay so i offered them my place while i did my night drives. it was a slow night so i didnt drive all night as planned, i found myself near my ex girlfriend place so i asked her to go sleep over which i did, i felt it was okay since we are being platonic friends. i didnt tell U all of this happened. that same weekend, my ex girlfriend had my phoned to make a call, after she had her call she went into my chats and took B's cell number as there was a text from her callinmg me "baby" and phoned her asking her to confirm if she "B" and i we dating as she wanted to sleep with me. B told her we are not and ended the call. she later called me furious as to why my ex was calling her and how she got her number. i explained what happened to her. i ended any form of potential relationship with my Ex girlfriend that weekend cos i felt she disrespected me and invaded my privacy. i deleted her number and text massages. the following week i ended the talking stage with B as well as i had asked U to be in a committed relationship. all this events had happened before i had asked U to be exclusive than U was left town for the weekend. By the end of april, U goes through my phone and discovers the old chats between my ex girlfriend and i that were in my recycled bin. the texts are of when i went and slept over her place and how i asked her if she is kissing people outside a night club and her discovering that MJ is actually my ex girlfriend. she confronted me about it and after the confrontation i explained my actions. i would have told her that MJ is actually my x girlfriend if i thought my x was gonna stay as friends but after the incident i figured since i mentally moved on from anyform of relastionship with her so there was no need for me to tell her about it. she led me to think we are okay. she spend a few days over at my place and acted like everything is okay than 4 days later on she packed her bags in a rush and leaving some of her items than goes with a cab. later that day i kept texting and calling her but she wouldnt respond. 2 days later i learned she deleted my number and blocked me. a mutual friend of mine advised me to reach out and ask her whats wrong and try and fix things as she told her she felt i was cheating and lying about it. i do so and reach out but she never gave me a solid answer as to what i did to wrong her. i manage to convince her to go on a date with me which she agrees to. after the date she tells me she really likes me but isnt sure if she wants to be with me. the following day, i find out she blocked me again. i feel im not in the wrong as after i asked U to be exclusive, i cut off all the baggage and never cheated on her or lied to her and she is over reacting to her finding old text massages (like 3 weeks old). do i need to appolgies to U?

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Darrara · 05/05/2026 09:37

I ran out of patience about one third of the way through. You’re clearly all about fifteen. I would be single for about ten years until you grow up, and I would work on learning how to summarise the main points of a story in reasonably clear prose. With paragraphs.

moderate · 05/05/2026 09:37

You’re 30 years old. Grow up.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/05/2026 09:46

TLDR.
I gave up after the first few lines.

You need to use paragraphs. Walls of text are very hard to read.

From what I did read, I got the impression that you're all very young and childish.

Thingcanonlygetbetter · 05/05/2026 09:48

Omg that was exhausting and sounds like something from high school.

All three women have had a lucky escape. Learning from this in future do not be stringing multiple women along at the same time.

Also if you are you going to write war and peace use paragraphs.

moderate · 05/05/2026 09:48

Hi ChatGPT,

Could you please create a timeline to make the above intelligible and also tell the author what he did wrong?

Thought for a couple of seconds

Yes — he does need to apologise to U. Not necessarily because he physically cheated after becoming exclusive, but because his behaviour created a pattern of secrecy, blurred boundaries, and misleading explanations. U’s reaction may feel sudden, but from her point of view, the information she found would look very bad.

Here is the situation made clearer.

TIMELINE

Early February 2026

1 February

  • He meets B, age 22.
  • He finds her interesting and asks her out.

7 February

  • He goes on a date with B.
  • On the way to the date, he meets U, age 25, an old high school junior.
  • U and some others do not have a place to stay for the weekend.
  • He lets them stay at his place.

Mid to Late February

  • He and U start chatting.
  • The chats become flirty.
  • About a week later, they enter a romantic “talking stage.”
  • At this point, he is romantically involved with both B and U, though not yet exclusive with either.

Early March

  • His ex-girlfriend reaches out and asks to be friends.
  • He agrees.
  • He says the friendship is platonic.

March

  • He continues romantically talking to both U and B.
  • He also has contact with his ex.
  • When referring to his ex to U, he calls her “MJ,” which is her actual name, but does not make clear that MJ is his ex-girlfriend.

This becomes important later because U eventually feels he hid who MJ really was.

One Night in March

  • He picks U up from a nightclub.
  • His ex is also there, very drunk.
  • He nearly hits the ex with his car as she crosses the parking lot.
  • He sees his ex kiss someone outside the nightclub.
  • Later that night, a mutual friend calls him and says the ex is acting hysterically and unsafe.
  • The friend asks him to pick the ex up or help because she does not feel safe around her.

The Next Day

  • He texts his ex: “So you kiss people outside of night clubs now.”
  • The ex later says she was drunk and wants to explain.
  • She invites him over to talk.
  • He agrees.

The Day He Visits His Ex

  • B asks him to pick her up after work.
  • He agrees, but later there is a miscommunication.
  • He believes B will take a cab home.
  • Instead of going directly home or clarifying properly, he goes to his ex-girlfriend’s place.
  • He and the ex drink and talk for about two hours.
  • He consoles her.
  • He later tells B he was with “my friend MJ.”

This is a major issue. He technically used her real name, but he omitted the important fact that MJ was his ex.

Late March

  • He asks U to be in an exclusive relationship.
  • U agrees.

Around this same period:

  • His sister and her boyfriend stay at his place.
  • He plans to do night drives for work.
  • It is a slow night.
  • He finds himself near his ex-girlfriend’s place.
  • He asks to sleep over there.
  • He sleeps over at his ex’s place.
  • He does not tell U.

Even if nothing sexual happened, this is another major issue.

Same Weekend

  • His ex uses his phone to make a call.
  • After the call, she goes through his chats.
  • She sees B calling him “baby.”
  • She takes B’s number and calls her.
  • The ex asks B whether B and he are dating, saying she wants to sleep with him.
  • B says they are not dating and ends the call.
  • B later calls him angry and asks why his ex has her number.
  • He explains.
  • He cuts off the ex because she invaded his privacy and disrespected him.
  • He deletes her number and messages.

Following Week

  • He ends the talking stage with B because he is now committed to U.

End of April

  • U goes through his phone.
  • She finds deleted/recycled messages between him and his ex.
  • The messages reveal:
- He slept over at his ex’s place. - He texted her about kissing people outside the nightclub. - “MJ” is actually his ex-girlfriend.

U confronts him.

He explains that:

  • He would have told her MJ was his ex if he thought the ex would stay in his life.
  • Since he had already cut the ex off, he felt there was no need to tell U.

U acts like things are okay for a few days.

A Few Days Later

  • U packs her bags suddenly and leaves in a cab.
  • She leaves some items behind.
  • He keeps texting and calling.
  • She does not respond.
  • Two days later, he learns she has deleted his number and blocked him.

After That

  • A mutual friend advises him to reach out and try to fix things.
  • He contacts U.
  • U says she felt he was cheating and lying.
  • He convinces her to go on a date.
  • After the date, she says she really likes him but is unsure whether she wants to be with him.
  • The next day, she blocks him again.

WHAT HE DID WRONG

  1. He blurred too many romantic boundaries at once.

Before exclusivity, talking to more than one person is not automatically cheating. But he was romantically involved with B and U while also rebuilding contact with his ex.

That is a messy setup.

The problem is not only “Was he technically exclusive yet?” The problem is that his behaviour created emotional confusion and distrust.

He had:

  • B calling him “baby”
  • U in a romantic talking stage
  • his ex back in his life
  • private visits with the ex
  • a sleepover at the ex’s place

That is too much overlap for a relationship that is supposed to become serious.

  1. He hid that “MJ” was his ex.

This is probably the biggest issue.

Calling the ex by her real name does not make it honest if he knew U did not understand that MJ was his ex. That is omission.

From U’s point of view, this looks like:

“He told me he was with a friend, but that friend was actually his ex.”

That would make most people feel deceived.

Even if he did not intend to cheat, he managed the information in a way that protected himself rather than respecting U’s right to understand the situation.

  1. He slept over at his ex’s place and did not tell U.

This is a serious boundary problem.

Even if nothing happened sexually, sleeping at an ex’s place while beginning exclusivity with someone else is something most partners would want to know.

He may believe:

“Nothing happened, so it does not matter.”

But U may reasonably believe:

“If nothing happened, why did he hide it?”

That is the real damage.

  1. He treated “not cheating” as the only standard.

He keeps saying he did not cheat after asking U to be exclusive.

That may be true. But relationships are not only about avoiding technical cheating. They are also about trust, transparency, emotional safety, and judgment.

He may not have cheated, but he did act in ways that looked suspicious:

  • visiting the ex privately
  • drinking with the ex
  • sleeping over at the ex’s place
  • hiding that MJ was the ex
  • deleting messages
  • only ending things with B after asking U to be exclusive

That is enough for U to question his honesty.

  1. He underestimated how bad the situation looked.

From his side, the story is:

“I had already moved on, I cut off my ex, and I chose U.”

From U’s side, the story is probably:

“He was talking to me, B, and his ex. He slept over at his ex’s place. He hid that MJ was his ex. I only found out by checking deleted messages.”

Her reaction is not hard to understand.

She may have handled it poorly by blocking instead of clearly communicating, but her distrust is not irrational.

  1. He kept pursuing U after she blocked him.

Once someone blocks you, that is a strong signal that they want space.

Trying once to clarify or apologise is understandable. But repeatedly calling, texting, or using mutual friends to get access can make things worse.

He should stop chasing and give her space.

WAS U OVERREACTING?

Maybe partly, but not completely.

Blocking and disappearing instead of having a direct conversation is emotionally immature, especially if she had already agreed to a date afterward. But her core concern — that he was not fully honest — is valid.

He should not focus on proving that she is overreacting. That will only make him sound defensive.

He should focus on the real issue:

“I gave you reasons not to trust me.”

That is the mature angle.

SHOULD HE APOLOGISE?

Yes.

Not with a defensive apology like:

“I’m sorry you misunderstood.”

That is not good enough.

He should apologise for the actual behaviour:

  • not being clear that MJ was his ex
  • sleeping over at the ex’s place without telling U
  • creating a situation where U had to discover things instead of hearing them from him
  • failing to set clean boundaries with his ex earlier
  • making U feel like she had been misled

A good apology would sound like this:

I’ve thought about everything properly, and I understand why you felt hurt and misled.

Even if I did not physically cheat on you, I was not transparent. I should have told you clearly that MJ was my ex. I also should not have slept over at her place without telling you. That crossed a boundary, and I understand why finding out later made you feel like I was hiding things.

I’m sorry for putting you in that position. I was trying to convince myself that because nothing happened, it did not matter, but I see now that honesty and trust are about more than just whether cheating happened.

I care about you, but I also respect that you may need space. I won’t keep pushing you. I just wanted to take responsibility properly.

FINAL ADVICE

After sending something like that, he should stop chasing her.

If U wants to talk, she will. If she does not, he has to accept that.

The lesson here is simple but important: when starting something serious with someone, clean up old romantic situations before asking for commitment, not after.

LittleGreenDragons · 05/05/2026 09:56

Bloody hell, even with ChatGP summarising it, it's a wall of text.

OP. Go to school and leave girls/women alone until you've grown up. Apologise to everyone, including us. And the dog, if there is one. Can't tell.

Justchillinhere · 05/05/2026 09:56

That's far too lengthy to read, you need to spend some time on your own, you don't always need to be a part of a couple

Lmnop22 · 05/05/2026 10:58

In future, date one person at a time and don’t sleep over at your ex’s place when you have a girlfriend. Hope this helps.

Tillow4ever · 05/05/2026 12:40

You are a walking red flag.

HTH.

NovemberMorn · 05/05/2026 12:43

OP is way too rambling..🙄
I have a life to lead.

CleanShirt · 05/05/2026 13:54

This isn't Reddit.

Velvetgoldmine · 05/05/2026 14:04

Good Lord. Who has the time for this nonsense?

HellsBells13 · 05/05/2026 14:11

Blimey, I am exhausted reading both versions.

Rachelshair · 05/05/2026 15:57

You sound quite dishonest, messing about with your ex while exclusive with someone else, if that's what you've done? If your life's as confused and complicated as that post something's got to give.

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