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single violent incident

73 replies

maybeitwillbeok · 13/06/2008 22:15

has anyone's dp been violent towards them once, been shocked by it and it never happened again?

Or if it happens once is it the start of an escalation and always definitely time to get out?

Have namechanged but my dh is unhappy with his life and we argue. He has behaved a bit threatening in the past when angry, twice thrown something soft at me. But the other day he grabbed me round the throat in front of our terrified dd (18mo) then wouldn't let me leave the house with her. When I tried to get out he dragged me back inside and it took quite a long time for things to calm down. He didn't hit me. But he did insist it was my fault for getting him so angry

Now things have cooled down and he is taking it quite seriously, finding out on the net about anger management etc. Is it possible that he can get it under control and it will not happen again?

OP posts:
BINAH · 14/06/2008 23:44

i hOPEIT DOES NOT HAPEN AGAIN.I HAVE SEEN IT HAPEN MORE THAN ONCE AND IT IS SCARY.jUST BE SURE THAT IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT.
pLEASE, THINK OF YOU AND YOUR LITTLE ONE FIRST.
BIG HUG.

mumto3fabkids · 15/06/2008 11:23

I had the single incident last year after he'd been out drinking. He woke the kids through shouting at me and wouldn't let me get to them to comfort them when they were scared. I was disgusted with him because he'd made my kids suffer. He was really remorseful afterwards, at first booked anger management but as time has gone on he reverts it back to my fault, needless to say he didn't go to the anger management. Initially I had nowhere to go with 3 DC's so decided to try to work it out, we've been to relate and I've been for individual counselling. The thought of it happening again is not there all the time and life is generally good BUT I tread on eggshells when I know he's in a bad mood or had a drink and wonder if I will ever be able to get past this - my 5 yo DD said to my mum the other week that I was a cry baby as I cry if daddy shouts at me - made me realise the affect this has had on the kids. They absolutely adore him tho as he usually has loads of fun with them so I'm torn on what's best for them.
I will continue to try to work at it, but now have a secret stash that will cover 3 months rent and I will be straight out with my DC if there are any indications of it happening again.
Please ensure your husband is serious about regretting the incident and continues to accept responsibility.

TinySocks · 15/06/2008 11:39

Haven't read all the answers, but to me it sounds like he needs help.

Maybe psychologist to help him with his unhappiness, frustration and anger.

This has never happened to me so I have no idea how I would react. But I think I would give the other person a chance and ensure that they got the professional help they need.

BlaDeBla · 15/06/2008 12:18

Have you called Womens Aid at all? They have a lot of help and advice.

The number for the National Domestic Violence Helpline is 0808 2000 247. I have been in touch with them and they are fantastic.

SmugColditz · 16/06/2008 12:55

Maybe - I feel very very strongly that yo are wrong because I lived your life and I made the decision that you have made .... that I am trying to stop you making.

But you will have to make the decision yourself. I just wish, wish wish I had left before I had to hear my child screaming "Stop it stop it you will kill her"

I wish I had left before I found him hiding under the bed with his eyes like panicked rolling marbles in his skull.

I wish I had left before I had to answer questions like "Do all daddies hurt mummies?"

I wish I had felt able to go to my mother ... but she condoned years of violent behavior towards me from my father, I felt (and still feel) that I was raised to be a punchbag, and it holds no fear for me.

Because make no mistake, this is where your life is heading if you do not act now.

I was posting these same indignant, Oh-don't-be-so-over-reactive posts this time three years ago. I had to learn my lesson myself, I didn't listen to a word from all those experienced people, just as you will not listen to a word I say - but answer this .....

Now you know he can and will seriously physically injure you in front of your children, how likely are you to cross him again?

How likely are you to feel able to stand up for your rights, no matter how angry you can see him getting?

When he hits you, it's not you he hurts the most, it's your daughter. She is watching and she will be making the connection in her mind .... "So, that's what marriage is".

SmugColditz · 16/06/2008 12:58

I had a fairly affluent life as a child - I used to beg my mum to leave. I would have happily shared a room with my brother and sister and mum, I wasn't scared of them, I was scared of my dad.

Now I don't have an affluent life at all. We are Poor.

But my life is so much nicer.

VictorianSqualor · 16/06/2008 13:16

I 100% wholeheartedly agree with Colditz.
When I was with my ex it started as being held down on a sofa, then a slap, then a punch, then in front of the DC's, then him smashing ym front door in glass everywhere whilst my 2yr old daughter was crying asking what had happened to Daddy, it got worse and worse, it went from being at home to in public, even in front of his mum and our two Dc's.

I, like Colditz wish I'd left much sooner, before DD thought it was normal to see her Daddy like that, before she went into school telling her teacher Daddy had hurt mummys face, before she would stroke my face and wipe away my tears telling me it would be ok.

If you think it can work, then make him leave, and get help away from the house, IMO&IME a one-off 'oh shit what did I do' and it never happening again experience is normally accompanied by alcohol or drugs and would be a split second attack, not something that went on that long.

Anniegetyourgun · 16/06/2008 13:39

I would not for one moment belittle or deny the experiences of people here, and I don't want the OP to take the matter any less seriously as a result of my experience. I've been the one who snapped and started throwing crockery and furniture onto the floor till they broke - and then started throwing small objects at then-H, wanting to do ANYthing to wipe that silly half smile off his face, whatever came to hand, handfuls of pens, a box of tissues, a small mug... then I stopped. The DCs were all upset, DS2 comforting DS4 (9), and I tried to hug them all but H tried to stop me and it was frightening them more. (Two of them were adults and it was even frightening them!) So I apologised to them, packed an overnight bag and went to stay at my brother's for a couple of days before my counselling appointment was due. Came back after it and picked up as if nothing had happened. I apologised again to the DCs but never to him. However I did say that I regretted losing control.

22 years of frustration are some excuse but I do know it was WRONG. It may have been his fault I was angry but it wasn't his fault I broke stuff and threw things at him. That was my reaction out of a feeling of helplessness. Now we're divorced and, with any luck, moving apart very soon, plus the ADs and counselling, I don't feel that frustrated. I never want to feel like that other, horrible, out-of-control person again.

Oh wait, the happy ending here still involves leaving him, so I'm not sure which side I'm on with this debate...

maybeitwillbeok · 17/06/2008 22:20

When I first posted I thought quite a few people would say "it was just once, not too serious, talk about it and see what happens..."

I've been quite shocked about the depth of feeling in the posts here and I have read and reread them over the last few days. Also LuckySalem's thread asking why women don't leave, and some of the other dv threads.

I love my husband. We share many wonderful memories and we fit together like nobody I've ever met. I can't imagine anybody else ever measuring up to the man he's been with me so far. Since he got so angry I've been thinking very seriously about our relationship and if I'm very honest I don't feel quite the same any more. I am wondering if it might happen again one day. I am grieving for the husband I had before this happened. I am hoping that my feelings for him will return if he works hard at putting things right.

I feel very strongly that marriage should be something you work at, not just throw away at the first sign of trouble. So I am going to go forward carefully, taking all these posts very seriously, with my eyes wide open. At the second sign of trouble I will leave. I have an escape plan in place and I am desperately hoping he proves you all wrong and I never have to use it.

Thanks for taking the time to read my posts and respond.

OP posts:
LuckySalem · 17/06/2008 22:23

Maybe - I hope you never have to use it too. Good luck with everything and I do hope that he goes back to the man you miss.

If you need any help/advise/hugs through the hard parts you know we're here and don't think you can't come and complain (cos you want to prove everyone wrong) i'd love to be proved wrong and I hope he does!

Take Care

micci25 · 17/06/2008 22:27

my dd1s dad hit me once and never again but the situation was entierly different to what you describe, he really didnt know what he was doing. he had fallen asleep on the floor drunk so i was lightly tapping his face to wake him up when he did wake up he slapped me but it was more of 'uh who the f*ck is slapping me, why am i on the floor whats going on??!!' type of slap.

our relationship ended for a while becasue he was so ashamed of what he had done and couldnt cope with the guilt and felt that i deserved better.

of course he was not ashamed of leaving me on my own with a child he refuses to pay for

what have described sounds very aggressive and meanigfull i would suggest that even consider staying he needs to seek help for his anger. you dont deserve this

izyboy · 17/06/2008 22:33

God, SmugColdiz hugs to you.

whatdayisit · 17/06/2008 22:50

I haven't read all the responses, as I must get to bed, but I wanted to let you know, that I once hurt my Dh is a row, to the extent that I drew blood.

Frightened the living daylights out of me and although, I can still lose my temper, I have never touched him during a row since. We've be married 16 years and that must have been about 12 years ago. So, maybe it can be a one off, especially, as he seems to want to get help for himself.

YesMe · 17/06/2008 23:06

OK... I am prepared to be told I am naive or even stupid. I've posted before about my experiences and have been told something along those lines. However, you asked about other people's experiences and these are mine. I don't think that they are totally similar to yours, but I also hope that they are, in the end, vaguely positive and hopeful. I am a name-changer, btw, but have used this name before on similar threads.

My dh has always been volatile and prone to angry outbursts. In the 16 years we've been together, he has hit me I guess about 5 or 6 times. Always in the throes of a row. Always linked with me becoming what he terms 'hysterical' [now there's a nice word with misogynist roots, eh?]. Different root causes each time - same end result. Only once in front of the dcs. Usually late at night. Dh does drink, but doesn't get drunk, so alcohol may exacerbate the situation but doesn't cause it.

The last time dh hit me was a year ago. My dcs are getting older (though they weren't in the house on this occasion) and I was worried that, as they got older, his anger would turn on them. I am not scared for myself - he never attacked me in a protracted way, always just one (hard) slap (hard enough to knock me down and certainly hard enough to silence me) - but am scared that my children would one day provoke him in the same way that I do. I told him that I was not prepared to live with the fear of getting hit again myself and/or of him turning on the children, and that I couldn't stay with him unless he showed me that he was prepared to do something about his problems with controlling his anger.

Tbh, for a while he did nothing, or at least nothing obvious. He did look up some info on the net and increased the amount of exercise he was taking, but there was no obvious change in his personality. I issued him with an ultimatum at the end of last summer, when he had been particularly hard on one of the dcs (not physically hard - just particularly intolerant, iykwim). I told him that just reading about anger on the net was not enough and that he needed to do something if he wanted our marriage to survive.

Finally, he realised I was serious and he saw his GP who referred him to what I believe was a community mental health nurse based in the practice. (I know she described herself as a nurse, not a counsellor.) This was a huge step for dh - admitting he had a real problem and actually doing something about it. He was quite resistant to the nurse's suggestions about the possible causes of his behaviour at first and really pooh-poohed her suggestions. BUT... he really opened up about his problem and talked openly about it to both me and his mum (his dad was exactly the same, apparently). The nurse recommended this book, which he also initially pooh-poohed but then admitted to having found useful. It has been a slow process, but there has been a definite change in him, and I am really willing to believe now that he won't hit me or the dcs in future. I have seen how much better able he is now to contain his anger and to channel it into more productive activities. He gets much less worked up about things, and even when we have rowed he has been able not only to calm himself down, but also to apologise to me and (miracle!) to admit to having been in the wrong. Overall, too, he just seems happier.

I cannot say 100% that he will never hit me again. When he has done it before it has always come out of the blue and never as part of a regular pattern of behaviour. However, I am willing to trust him and to believe him when he says that he will not. I feel that our marriage is stronger now than ever and I am hopeful for the future.

I don't know what is the right thing for you to do maybeitwillbeok. Only you can decide that. But I wanted to tell you my story. If your dh wants to make this work, he will need to work at it, and he will have to actively admit to having a problem with which he needs help. For my dh that was the hard part - everything else got easier from there on. (((Hugs))) to you, and to everyone on this thread who has suffered dv. I hope it will be OK for you (and for me).

Cathbell · 17/06/2008 23:14

I don't know whetheranyone ever leaves a long-term relationship after 1 violent incident, having worked with many women over the years its usually after scores of incidents, often with long gaps and happy periods in-between. Its really hard to know where the boundary is, and what we are willing to accept. There are no guarantees there he won't do it again, nor is there any way to know definitely that it will happen again/ worsen etc. statistically it is much more likely to reccur and also worsen though. In terms of police reporting of domestic violence, what you descrive would be seen as high risk, due to the nature of what he did (where he grabbed you, what is seen as imprisonment and in front of your child) and theywould be very concerned. What I am trying to say is that very often violence starts small and escalates over time. This is alrady a very serious level of violence.

No-one can tell you to leave, or not to leave but perhaps you both need to educate yourselves about what has just happened between you. There are programmes of support for men who are concerned about theirlevels of violence, I wouldn't reccommend anger management but something tailored to specific domestic violence as it is very different in nature and therefore how it should be approached. If you are interested then Respect is a network organisations which could direct you your nearest programme. There are also many many websites and books out there which might help you in working out yourself or with your husband what has happened and what you can do to prevent it happening again. (Womens Aid should be able to direct you or if you wantany other resources feel free to ask and I can direct you to some)

I do know of couples where violence has stopped and the relationship recovered, as I say it is relatively rare but has happened, but really when the man has fully accepted his responsobility andworked to understand the causes and therefore how to prevent it. Themost concerning thing in your message for me was that he maintained it was your fault for 'getting him angry'. This is a classic sign of domestic abuse and if he continues to think that way he won't address his own behaviour. Likewise if you yourself continue down the path whereby your behaviour, saying or not saying things can prevent violence against you, your understanding and perspective will not allow for change in his behaviour, and only make it harderfor you to seek help if you need it. It sounds simplistic and cliched but is true to say that only he can prevent his violence, and only he should take responsibility for it.

I wish you all the best for the future
Cath

Cathbell · 17/06/2008 23:20

sorry forgot to say also that itsworth bearing in mind that witnessing domestic violence is now seen as a child prrotection issue and as such would now involve referral to social services as a concern. I don't say this to frighten etc but just to indicate the seriousness with which its seen. Research has shown that witnessing domestic violence, even isolated incidents, has a profound and damaging effect on children's emotional, mental and physical development, even if they were not directly involved or hurth themselves. If your partner is serious about wanting to prevent this happening again, he should know this and understand the damage any further violence would cause for his child.

Alambil · 17/06/2008 23:35

My DS was 6 MONTHS old when I escaped (we escaped). He is 5 and a half years old now and is STILL scarred by what he witnessed.

Make NO mistake - your daughter has that scene etched on her memory ... it will remain for a very long time. She will remember it every time Daddy gets a loud voice, or Mummy starts crying... it will haunt her.

She is 1 year older than my son - I have no doubt whatsoever that she has remembered this "one off" and will bring it to the forfront of her mind each and every time voices are raised - whether it be in fun, in jest, or in an argument.

Keep your plan to leave absolutely secret - violence increases a lot when the "men" realise they're losing control.

Be careful.

Namechanger12345 · 17/06/2008 23:42

Something similar happened to me and DP. We had a violent incident, in which he hit me and it was all very unpleasant.
But that was four years ago and it has never happened again, or even looked like it would happen again.

Namechanger12345 · 17/06/2008 23:43

Sorry, was responding to the OP. Haven't read the rest of the thread.

ravenAK · 17/06/2008 23:57

Tell EVERYONE. If you're staying, that is. Your parents, his parents, mutual friends...

'Dh & I had a big row the other night - he grabbed me round the throat & frightened the life out of dd'.

If he's genuinely remorseful & looking for a solution, he'll be OK with that, right?

SmugColditz · 18/06/2008 00:08

Oh yes, definitely tell everyone. If he is seeking help and it will never happen again, he won't mind, will he?

IndigoMoon · 18/06/2008 00:30

i was very close to a woman who was in an abusive relationship.

he hit her on two occasions and tried to push her downstairs once.

this was over the course of 13 years. towards the end of the relationship there was no physical abuse.

however there was terrible mental abuse and i think this can be just as bad.

so he may never be physically abusive again but what else are you going to have to deal with.

dd still remembers an argument i had with my mom over two years ago!!! she mentions is occasionally and i feel terrible about it. its not fair to let your daughter see stuff like that.

i do think its better to be poor and happy than rich and unhappy.

but you have to decide and if you decide to stay set some fixed boudaries i.e if it happened again then i will go! and stick to it.

dh knows that if he laid one finger on me that would be it.

QueenyEisGotTheBall · 18/06/2008 02:01

hi i witnessed a few violent altercations between my mum and dad (dad said mum was being nasty thats y he hit her- to put her back in her place!!) as far back as i can remember i have heard my mum and dad fighting and i grew up knowing things were wrong and my mum did nothing (and still does nothing now!)
i have been in 2 violent relationships in the past where i left as soon as the incident happened in the second one.
you know you dont have to stand for it. you sound like a strong woman you sound like a rational woman. one violent attack is one too many.
i still feel that fear when i hear my dad raise his voice to anyone (im 26 now). even though there hasnt been any 'direct' violence towards my mum for a good few years now (he 'just' breaks things and screams like a spoilt child now!)
it will most likely take on another form if the physical abuse never happens again emotional/ mental abuse will likely replace it. dont let your child witness any more of this as it will damage her much more and force her to repeat the cycle with her partners in the future.
colditz your story makes me so sad and i hope you are doing well now. same to everyone here who has been the victim of, or witnessed the violence
xx ei xx

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