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Marriage is so hard

27 replies

I5thi5life · 15/01/2026 00:42

Is being an adult just accepting a series of slightly less shit versions to stave away really shit ones?

I’m not looking for practical advice or LTB stuff. I’m absolutely certain I won’t be leaving.

I just feel disappointed that once you’ve had children you basically have to put your self on the back burner in every aspect for the rest of your life.

DH is a tricky one. Quite fucked up from boarding school. Issues with stubbornness, can’t and won’t contribute to family-ish things like holidays, Christmasses, friendships, hosting family, gardening, most housework. Stubborn about self care beard cutting teeth brushing regular washing. Addicted yi screens. Quite negative and cynical and difficult to raise issues with as talking isnt his thing.

He is a loving father and our DD adores him. He has many good qualities too.

We started going to couples therapy a while ago due to how bored we had both become of our arguments and initially when we put the tasks into practice we saw great results. Better sex than ever, more safety and closeness it was revelatory that the process of therapy had uncovered that I was married to my best friend. We went on regular dates, we played games together and I finally felt hopeful.

This past year it’s changed.

We quit therapy for a while but the arguments started again and since returning it’s been basically traumatic.
its like he uses the session to prove that he is the rational good one and I am the bad guy, often bringing things up he had overheard me saying in small talk at parties to reinforce his position of winner.

He is very comfortable telling our therapist that the reason he doesn’t ask me how I am, check if he can help etc is because I might get angry but he’s much less comfortable when I express a need. Often this is met with nastiness and lots of invalidation from him.

I’m beginning to dread the therapy sessions because a couple of days before therapy he turns into a different person, apologising, being kind and thoughtful etc so he can report back that everything is fine. If I use the opportunity with the therapist as a safe intermediary to raise an issue with him he acts all blindsided and generally goes silent, then interrupts me and when I point out that he is interrupting me he verbally abuses me and says I do it to him. He often uses tactics like starting to talk about a situation from a long time ago when I am in the middle of trying to address something specific that has happened recently. He just can’t stop himself.

Our therapist then tells us that my DH has dissociated because he is hypo-aroused and that I am angry and hyper-aroused and in that state we can’t hear each other. This is true but I’m sick of this dynamic and am starting to feel it’s all a waste of money.

Our DD would not have a nice life at all if we split up and if I can stay contained in my own non-intimate bubble we tick along okay.

Work is not great. Lots of snakes in the grass and DH doesn’t want to hear about it at all. It’s a lonely relationship. I crave his validation and connection then when, out of the blue he gives it to me, I can’t lean in because he has no ability to repair and address arguments so they’re stuck inside me.

It’s a shame but I’m starting to feel that just accepting my lot for its pros and cons is no different to the pros and cons if I left. It’s, on balance, probably better.

I just wish I was more empowered. I feel marriage is a trap I’ve stupidly fallen into and if I were to have my time again I would just focus on making money.

OP posts:
mondaytosunday · 15/01/2026 01:37

Marriage does take work but goodness I couldn’t stay married to a man like that. Many marriages fall into a comfortable rhythm with time and if not, if it feels like a trap or the love and respect has gone it breaks apart.

SwanLake35 · 15/01/2026 01:51

Therapy has become weaponised which means it should stop. Find a different therapist for yourself only. Find connection and validation elsewhere. Like therapy it’s become weaponised.

Bordeuxkitchen · 15/01/2026 02:02

He’s a manipulative dick. He’s using therapy against you (which shows a level of emotional manipulation beyond that of most men!)
Ditch the shit therapist. Find whatever you need to be empowered again. He’s a twat.

beanzzz · 15/01/2026 02:05

Are we married to the same man!? I don’t know OP, there’s no easy answer. I’m too tired to write anything clever right now, but if it helps you feel less alone… this sounds so much like my own DH and our dynamic.

KeepDropping · 15/01/2026 02:08

Some people just don't understand love.

Your husband sounds competitive, win at all costs, this inate trait is not condusive to marriage and a peaceful life.

Exhausting and pointless.

Endofyear · 15/01/2026 07:42

OP marriage shouldn't be this hard - you sound incompatible and like you don't really like each other at all. You say your DC would have a worse life if you left - but growing up in such a toxic environment isn't going to be great for them either. Material things don't make up for having unhappy parents.

If your work isn't enjoyable, are you looking for another job? For your own wellbeing you need to be. Do you have good friends and family support?

I would end the couples therapy and start therapy for yourself.

ShawnaMacallister · 15/01/2026 07:46

Marriage itself is not hard. Marriage to a person like your H is impossible. Don't 'stay together for the kids' - that's weak and foolish. Unless the alternative is destitution there is always a better life on the other side of an abusive marriage. And that's what this is. He's now using therapy to continue abusing you.

AbovetheVaultedSky · 15/01/2026 07:48

I agree with @SwanLake35 — I think that he’s weaponising therapy, and that it’s become something you should stop. Find your own therapist.

CatsSleepFatandWalkThin · 15/01/2026 07:49

Marriage shouldn’t be hard. Yours sounds entirely dysfunctional. It can only be damaging to your child.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 15/01/2026 07:52

I know you say you don't want to leave and I know it's not easy but my god, you only get one life! What's the point in spending your precious years on earth being unhappy like this?

Things might be hard if you split but at least you wouldn't have to put up with this shit

Thundertoast · 15/01/2026 08:08

I would say that this isnt a marriage, because your DH isn't actually ready to be in a relationship.

  • wont contribute to family life or housework
  • wont keep himself clean, tidy or healthy
  • negative and cynical and doesnt want to deal with issues

These are signs of someone who simply isnt mature enough to be in a relationship. We need to stop assuming that just because someone is physically an adult, means they have all the criteria needed to be in a healthy relationship.

You need to think about your childs long term wellbeing, not right now. What use is an okay-ish childhood, if she ends up with a man like him, or other issues from not being able to learn healthy conflict resolution, equal partnership etc - this man WILL affect your daughter, especially as she grows up and doesnt toe the line. Just because she adores him, doesnt mean its good for her to live in this environment. I adore chocolate, but it isnt good for me.

ByRedTiger · 03/07/2026 20:50

I5thi5life · 15/01/2026 00:42

Is being an adult just accepting a series of slightly less shit versions to stave away really shit ones?

I’m not looking for practical advice or LTB stuff. I’m absolutely certain I won’t be leaving.

I just feel disappointed that once you’ve had children you basically have to put your self on the back burner in every aspect for the rest of your life.

DH is a tricky one. Quite fucked up from boarding school. Issues with stubbornness, can’t and won’t contribute to family-ish things like holidays, Christmasses, friendships, hosting family, gardening, most housework. Stubborn about self care beard cutting teeth brushing regular washing. Addicted yi screens. Quite negative and cynical and difficult to raise issues with as talking isnt his thing.

He is a loving father and our DD adores him. He has many good qualities too.

We started going to couples therapy a while ago due to how bored we had both become of our arguments and initially when we put the tasks into practice we saw great results. Better sex than ever, more safety and closeness it was revelatory that the process of therapy had uncovered that I was married to my best friend. We went on regular dates, we played games together and I finally felt hopeful.

This past year it’s changed.

We quit therapy for a while but the arguments started again and since returning it’s been basically traumatic.
its like he uses the session to prove that he is the rational good one and I am the bad guy, often bringing things up he had overheard me saying in small talk at parties to reinforce his position of winner.

He is very comfortable telling our therapist that the reason he doesn’t ask me how I am, check if he can help etc is because I might get angry but he’s much less comfortable when I express a need. Often this is met with nastiness and lots of invalidation from him.

I’m beginning to dread the therapy sessions because a couple of days before therapy he turns into a different person, apologising, being kind and thoughtful etc so he can report back that everything is fine. If I use the opportunity with the therapist as a safe intermediary to raise an issue with him he acts all blindsided and generally goes silent, then interrupts me and when I point out that he is interrupting me he verbally abuses me and says I do it to him. He often uses tactics like starting to talk about a situation from a long time ago when I am in the middle of trying to address something specific that has happened recently. He just can’t stop himself.

Our therapist then tells us that my DH has dissociated because he is hypo-aroused and that I am angry and hyper-aroused and in that state we can’t hear each other. This is true but I’m sick of this dynamic and am starting to feel it’s all a waste of money.

Our DD would not have a nice life at all if we split up and if I can stay contained in my own non-intimate bubble we tick along okay.

Work is not great. Lots of snakes in the grass and DH doesn’t want to hear about it at all. It’s a lonely relationship. I crave his validation and connection then when, out of the blue he gives it to me, I can’t lean in because he has no ability to repair and address arguments so they’re stuck inside me.

It’s a shame but I’m starting to feel that just accepting my lot for its pros and cons is no different to the pros and cons if I left. It’s, on balance, probably better.

I just wish I was more empowered. I feel marriage is a trap I’ve stupidly fallen into and if I were to have my time again I would just focus on making money.

I hate therapy. In general it can
Really aid skewed thinking and u don't want that with someone self centered.

I'm curious about the boarding school thing. I though boarding made u less screen addictrd more helpful and better hygiene.

Frankly I think he is depressed.

WilfredsPies · 03/07/2026 21:06

Marriage can be hard. But if it’s hard every day, over a prolonged period of time, and it’s only therapy that made it bearable for a while, you maybe shouldn’t be married.

I have no idea what all this old nonsense is about being hyper and hypo aroused, but it sounds like you’re both making each other utterly bloody miserable and therapy clearly isn’t working like it did the first time.

You could talk to him about changing therapists and see if he’ll go back to the person he was when you were having a good time of it. But if he won’t and you won’t leave him, then your only options for a peaceful life are to either just go along with whatever he wants without arguing with him or disassociate to the point that you don’t care what he says or does because you are simply housemates. Neither is a great option.

Our DD would not have a nice life at all if we split up What makes you think she’s having a nice life now?

ByRedTiger · 03/07/2026 21:30

Your husband obviously is well educated enough to know his behavior is not helping. Does he know u r willing to leave him? Sometimes it takes that risk. Kids don't need things. They need parents stable. There are enough problems raising kids th se days without parents fighting about their issues.

Philandbill · 03/07/2026 21:34

Bigearringsbigsmile · 15/01/2026 07:52

I know you say you don't want to leave and I know it's not easy but my god, you only get one life! What's the point in spending your precious years on earth being unhappy like this?

Things might be hard if you split but at least you wouldn't have to put up with this shit

This. Marriage shouldn't have to be hard. My marriage isn't hard and we've been together for over twenty years.

BigWig78 · 03/07/2026 21:38

Your therapist sounds shit. As does your marriage. It isn’t possible to be a shit husband and a great dad- as you are modelling the standard you will set your daughter to have for future relationships. So forget that nonsense about him being a great dad as he’s not. He needs to grown up and you both need to get your acts together and communicate as adults on how this relationship is going to get fixed or get finished as these are the only options now. And ditch your therapist.

ByRedTiger · 04/07/2026 03:00

Philandbill · 03/07/2026 21:34

This. Marriage shouldn't have to be hard. My marriage isn't hard and we've been together for over twenty years.

Of course marriage can be hard! But just not all the time. I say stick it out but try different environments and expectations. Argue with reality- head to hell.

Yogafiend · 04/07/2026 03:07

My first thought would be - this is not the right therapist for you. And my second thought would be - if he uses therapy to “win” even with the right therapist it won’t work. You have to be willing to make therapy work - I have been in a position where it didn’t work because he wasn’t invested in it. He has to be there to work with you not to win. I’m sorry you’re in this position

DailyEnergyCrisis · 04/07/2026 03:12

I agree with pp who say to go to therapy just yourself and talk this through in an emotionally safe environment. Leaving may feel impossible now but just see where 1-1 therapy takes you.

Lemonymint · 04/07/2026 04:08

Not all husbands are scruffy dirty manipulative men with poor oral hygiene. My husband brings happiness to my life. I just couldn't endure your marriage.

Beekman · 04/07/2026 05:03

Life is sometimes hard, very hard, but that isn’t the default for marriage and please don’t let anyone tell you that it is.

I know you said you’re not leaving but whoever not? I couldn’t stay with someone who didn’t brush their teeth and keep clean as a minimum, never mind the rest of it.

Pansykavalier · 04/07/2026 05:47

I just wish I was more empowered. I feel marriage is a trap I’ve stupidly fallen into and if I were to have my time again I would just focus on making money.

Wow. I was with you up to the last word. Why money? Why not ditch the useless husband who is weighing you down and instead find the road less travelled - your own worthwhile path in life?

You only have one life, you’re a long time dead, so what ARE you going to do with this, your one precious life…

PermanentTemporary · 04/07/2026 06:05

I think I would stop therapy and have a rest. Be honest and say you feel manipulated and tired and would like some time out.

Maybe find yourself something outside the marriage. Not a connection but something you do with your daughter just the two of you - parkrun? Dance? Art? Swimming? Golf? I would look for a way of increasing the peace and happiness in your life right now. Just put the relationship on the back burner. Marriage at its best (which isnt yours) can survive this sort of thing.

category12 · 04/07/2026 06:07

Stop therapy, it's just become a weapon he uses.

If you can't leave now, work on ways to get out in future.

Because you talk about making money, I guess that's your issue. So focus on a better job, retraining, whatever. Your workplace sounds terrible anyway, so maybe getting another elsewhere would make you generally happier.

Life is too short to spend it miserable.

CurlewKate · 04/07/2026 06:14

No. A relationship shouldn’t be hard. And no, you shouldn’t have to “work” at it. That’s a myth intended to keep (usually) women feeling they’re in the wrong and not trying hard enough. @I5thi5life look at the life you’ve outlined. If you saw your own daughter having that life, what would you advise her?

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