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Time to split or are we just "in the trenches"

26 replies

stripeydonkey · 06/01/2026 19:35

Hi, first time poster long time lurker. I'll try not to drip feed but everything is all over the place in my head

Basically, I don't want to unnecessarily destroy our home and family but I'm just feeling at a loss. DH (married 6 yrs) and I are just not functioning as a team, and I'm feeling either on eggshells or that I have a third (giant) child.

DH has a long history of depression and anger issues. (Usually just shouting but sometimes banging the table, and has pushed me during an argument years ago. I am very concerned that his anger is affecting the DC). He refuses to take his prescribed meds for depression and has quietly stopped going to counselling as he says it doesn't feel like it's progressing.

We both work full time, I have several part time jobs that allow me flexibility and he is more routine but not normal hours.

This is where I struggle, I need to work away from home quite often and he will have the DC no problem. He pays the household bills, doesn't often drink, on the face of it looks like a great guy and we have a lovely life.

My reality is that I feel like have the load of the household and kids on me. Conversations are such hard work, with him taking neutral things as a criticism or interpreting everything as an attack, going on and on if I don't give the "right" answer to his questions, or turns into an emotional crisis that I have to pick up the pieces of.

He "doesn't see" household jobs and will never prioritise cleaning for example over his hobbies/screen time. His "cleaning threshold" is lower than mine, so I always crumble and clean before it gets bad enough that he thinks it is worth cleaning.

I have pretty low standards for cleaning, but do feel we should keep a basic level of cleanliness for the kids and we have pets so it gets easily out of hand.

I was recently away with DC for 2.5 weeks. He was not working during this period, so was at home.

Before I left I asked for a few tasks to be done, put up a couple of blinds, feed the garden birds, change the bedding (to which he agreed, no problem) and I asked the the house to be clean and I guess by default expected there to be food in the fridge as DC back at school the day after we returned (we don't have nearby shops)

Whilst we were away DH and I chatted a bit, video calls with the DC, him saying he missed us etc. But actually it was just really nice not being around him.

Arrived back from the trip and on the journey home after we finished catching up a bit, I asked him casually if he'd done the tasks, to which he went off on one about how I criticise him and nothing he does is ever good enough and that he had forgotten about all of the things I'd asked him to do, and had meant to clean but had been ill yesterday so had slept for 4 hours instead.

I was a bit gobsmacked. I at least expected he'd do those few basic things we'd agreed on whilst the DC and I were away.

When we got back home from the airport and I found 2.5 week old sour milk in DCs sippy cup still in the fridge. Dirty lunchboxes still on the side that I hadn't had chance to clean before leaving on our trip. (We left straight after school on the last day, so I had no chance to fix it myself). All untouched. I just felt like our entire relationship is based on me running the household and being his mother. If I'm not there, then nothing gets done, because apparently it's all my responsibility.

He's used the same frying pan for the duration and not cleaned it. Grease everywhere. Bathroom untouched and filthy. Not fit for DC to use, even though he said he's cleaned it once whilst we were away.

Instead of enjoying time together the day after we got home, I spent the entire day cleaning the house whilst he was on his phone, napping or doing the jigsaw. Didn't offer to contribute as he was ill.

Then later I found on his family group chat (that I'm in) that he had sent a photo the day before we returned of his jigsaw puzzle joking that he needed emergency help to complete it because his family was coming home tomorrow. So it's not like he didn't fully realise we were coming home and had energy for that.

It also meant that I didn't have supplies for DC lunchboxes ready. Like if I don't think about it and plan it, then the task doesn't register for him at all that it would be logical to buy food etc for us coming home.

I just feel really deflated. But the hardest part is, we've been back for a few days now and he just carries on as normal. I'm still so hurt but I'm starting to lose perspective and question myself as to if I'm being unreasonable to expect to be a team over this stuff.

After my cleaning frenzy he mumbled thanks to me for doing it, but that he didn't really see what had been done, just that it looked better (clean..!?). He said he'd change the sheets (he didn't).

I also got him a few things for Xmas (we had a mini post-xmas celebration) and he got me and DC nothing. Absolutely nothing. Which tbh is normal for him, but it just hit me again how that's probably not normal? I think he just expects me to plan presents for DC so he steps back and just isn't involved interested at all. And apparently I'm too hard to buy for, so he just doesn't.

He always proclaims his love for us, but it is never shown in a practical way. It's just words. And now after returning to that scene, I really just felt totally unloved and that we'd be better off without him. I feel like I've been trying to fix the imbalance for 9 years and not getting anywhere.

What do I do.

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rubyslippers · 06/01/2026 19:37

Leave
and don’t look back
what a disgusting man child

WaitingOnSpring26 · 06/01/2026 19:38

rubyslippers · 06/01/2026 19:37

Leave
and don’t look back
what a disgusting man child

This!

Iocanepowder · 06/01/2026 19:41

I also have low standards for cleaning op but what you have described is another level disgusting and lazy. I dumped a previous boyfriend for feeling like his mother. Never regretted it.

LemonsMakelimes · 06/01/2026 19:42

sounds like a total waste of space.

if me and DC were gone for 2.5 weeks and my DH didn’t have work then I can 100% guarantee that I’d come back to all of those jobs done, a clean house, a fridge full of food and dinner cooked for us all. He’s not the best at cleaning the bathroom and doesn’t often “see” how bad it is but he wouldn’t have left it disgusting. He probably would have done some extra jobs/DIY/gardening etc.

Honestly LTB. You deserve better.

Foyleriver · 06/01/2026 19:43

I am very slow to say walk away and am of the school of ‘work on a marriage to make it work’ but this is not salvageable. Him not pulling his weight is one thing but his behaviour, anger, inability to deal with his depression will have a massively negative impact on you and your children’s lives unless you leave him.

flipent · 06/01/2026 19:46

I can see that he is bringing anything to this relationship?

would any aspect of your life be worth if he was not in it day to day?

stripeydonkey · 06/01/2026 19:46

Thanks for the replies. I just feel so sad.

Everyone's strong reactions so far are making me see that this isn't ok.

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Allelbowsandtoes · 06/01/2026 19:47

What an absolute prick. I'm sorry op. I'd be utterly furious.

Im not often one to say leave him but seriously, I'd strongly consider it

stripeydonkey · 06/01/2026 19:48

flipent · 06/01/2026 19:46

I can see that he is bringing anything to this relationship?

would any aspect of your life be worth if he was not in it day to day?

Yeah, he was away for a few weeks some months ago and it was actually quite peaceful and lovely. The DC and get into a good routine and the energy in the house is just so much more predictable, if that makes sense.

I just feel super overwhelmed by the concept of divorce/leaving etc.

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NotrialNodeal · 06/01/2026 19:50

It was at the point that I read he wasn't working whilst you was away with the kids and did nothing for his family or you in that time combined with what you wrote about being happier without him on holiday that made me think it would probably be best you left.

Gettingbysomehow · 06/01/2026 19:51

Id be off because it would either be that or Id end him and go to prison. He doesn't have your back, not one little bit. 9 years of this is long enough. How many do you want? 15...20. I had 20 years. Nothing changed.

outerspacepotato · 06/01/2026 19:52

You're in the trenches by yourself.

But think of this as not just your normal child raising trenches. You've got anger issues, past physical abuse, unmedicated and untreated mental illness, these are huge. He left the home in a state where there was spoiled food, no food fit for the kids to eat, and filthy bathroom and cooking items that had been used for 2 weeks and not washed. That's squalor and you can't leave your kids with a man who chooses to live in conditions that would cause SS to tell you to get it cleaned and edible food provided or kids would be removed.

Get your ducks in a row. You can't force him to comply with his treatment plan but you can set boundaries and living in filth with an uncaring man is unacceptable.

Hercisback1 · 06/01/2026 19:53

Ltb.

Nothing about him sounds good.

Thatpastalife · 06/01/2026 19:54

YOU are in the thick of it, he is pushing your head under the water. Leave and do not look back. I’ve never said LTB before by the way…

flipent · 06/01/2026 19:56

I get it OP.

But this is an amazing place to talk through what leaving would mean and what you need to do to make it happen.

what about it feels overwhelming? Start with the biggest hurdle.

Purplecatshopaholic · 06/01/2026 20:05

Ugh. You do indeed have a third child op. I’m really sorry but this isn’t going to get better. He doesn’t care enough even to pretend to try. I’d seriously get legal advice and make moves to split.

ReetPetite99 · 06/01/2026 20:10

You should not underestimate the impact of his moods on dc. I also made excuses for years. I don’t think exH was depressed just lazy and selfish and no motivation to change. We were always stepping on eggshells. I ended it when I felt my mental health was deteriorating - I was tolerating behaviour I knew wasn’t ok to avoid escalations but also dc started to copy the way he spoke to me and I realised I couldn’t let them grow up thinking it was ok to treat women in the way he was treating me. It was a huge relief not to have to ‘parent’ him. The dc commented how much calmer the house was without him.

It was also good for him - financially he had to get back to regular work and was meeting new people. He’s living his best life now with a new dp, living between his own space and hers, seeing dc only when it suits him. No mh issues.

while single parenting is physically tiring I’m not mentally drained and constantly feeling resentful as well. I also have great dc (was able to turn their behaviour around) and we are a very happy family unit without him. Dc see exH but it’s more like seeing a mate he isn’t really involved in any of the heavy lifting of parenting. The truth was he wasn’t cut out for parenting anyway and didn’t enjoy it and it showed. If it’s not a healthy family atmosphere the bar for separating is much lower and you may be doing everyone a favour ending it (but expect you to keep doing more than your fair share).

Thoseslippers · 06/01/2026 20:12

Does he make you happy in any way? I mean if he doesn't.. what's he actually adding to your life in a positive sense? A bit of babysitting his own kids from time to time? He'd do that if you weren't together.
So basically just leave him. Your life would be better. You do everything already and he's literally just dead weight which annoys you. Life is honestly too short to give years of your time to this man-child passenger. Is this what you want? Cleaning up after a miserable infantile man?
Find the strength to leave.

stripeydonkey · 06/01/2026 20:12

flipent · 06/01/2026 19:56

I get it OP.

But this is an amazing place to talk through what leaving would mean and what you need to do to make it happen.

what about it feels overwhelming? Start with the biggest hurdle.

Thanks, we have pets and as much as he cares for them he isn't good (unsurprisingly) at the routine tasks of what that involves. So if we have to split then I could maybe rehome a few but I would still be looking at probably renting with kids and pets, which is challenging.

Also financially I can't afford to run our current house alone. We have a lodger in the annex and I rely on that income as well.

I'm also not in the UK, we live in his home country, I don't want to move back, but I don't really have strong support networks here. But I fear moving away wouldn't be allowed (legally) and would unsettle DC even more?

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C0rner · 06/01/2026 20:13

Leave. This is not "in the trenches", he is incredibly selfish and making your life worse.

stripeydonkey · 06/01/2026 20:14

Thoseslippers · 06/01/2026 20:12

Does he make you happy in any way? I mean if he doesn't.. what's he actually adding to your life in a positive sense? A bit of babysitting his own kids from time to time? He'd do that if you weren't together.
So basically just leave him. Your life would be better. You do everything already and he's literally just dead weight which annoys you. Life is honestly too short to give years of your time to this man-child passenger. Is this what you want? Cleaning up after a miserable infantile man?
Find the strength to leave.

Yeah, it is just so hard to distinguish the hope that he will change. I know he won't. It is just sad.

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sociallydistained · 06/01/2026 20:16

At the end of all that. The no presents for you or the kids made me sad. He takes everything for granted!

stripeydonkey · 06/01/2026 20:21

ReetPetite99 · 06/01/2026 20:10

You should not underestimate the impact of his moods on dc. I also made excuses for years. I don’t think exH was depressed just lazy and selfish and no motivation to change. We were always stepping on eggshells. I ended it when I felt my mental health was deteriorating - I was tolerating behaviour I knew wasn’t ok to avoid escalations but also dc started to copy the way he spoke to me and I realised I couldn’t let them grow up thinking it was ok to treat women in the way he was treating me. It was a huge relief not to have to ‘parent’ him. The dc commented how much calmer the house was without him.

It was also good for him - financially he had to get back to regular work and was meeting new people. He’s living his best life now with a new dp, living between his own space and hers, seeing dc only when it suits him. No mh issues.

while single parenting is physically tiring I’m not mentally drained and constantly feeling resentful as well. I also have great dc (was able to turn their behaviour around) and we are a very happy family unit without him. Dc see exH but it’s more like seeing a mate he isn’t really involved in any of the heavy lifting of parenting. The truth was he wasn’t cut out for parenting anyway and didn’t enjoy it and it showed. If it’s not a healthy family atmosphere the bar for separating is much lower and you may be doing everyone a favour ending it (but expect you to keep doing more than your fair share).

Thanks for your insight. I have recognised tiny moments as well in DC which are little red flags to me. It's so hard to see what the future will look like. He often talks about "not being around" if he didn't have us if you know what I mean. Hasn't said that for a while but it is not something you easily forget.

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LotsOfSmallThings · 06/01/2026 20:23

Gosh OP. I very rarely post on these (or any!) threads but had to add to the consensus and agree that you absolutely should leave him as soon as possible. I spent 10 years with an angry man (who also didn’t pull his weight) and have never regretted leaving - in fact I only regret staying as long as I did and wish I’d left far sooner. Don’t underestimate the damage he’ll be doing you either - it’s taken years for the psychological scars he left me to heal, and he wasn’t abusive angry - just ‘walking on eggshells/constantly my job to emotionally manage him’ level angry.
And that’s without even getting to the insane slovenliness and lack of respect or care he shows you re the state of the house or doing the (very simple, totally reasonable!) things you asked of him. Again, been there, felt totally alone and unsupported and it sucks. And all I can tell you, again, is that I wish I hadn’t tolerated it for as long as I did. Being a single parent was infinitely easier than being let down again and again by the person who’s supposed to have your back.
By contrast, now OH cleans the entire house when I’m at work (NHS so long work day) because he wants me to come home and not have anything to do except relax. AND he’s cooked me something nice too. And earlier I asked him to do something later (a very small unimportant thing!) and then promptly forgot all about it - he’s just come back from the shop and gone to do it for me because HE cares enough to remember even when I don’t. That’s how it should be, and tbh I wish when I was young and daft that I’d known enough to hold out for better. At least I was smart enough to ditch useless exh before I wasted any more years feeling like an invisible house servant 🤷‍♀️

stripeydonkey · 06/01/2026 20:38

LotsOfSmallThings · 06/01/2026 20:23

Gosh OP. I very rarely post on these (or any!) threads but had to add to the consensus and agree that you absolutely should leave him as soon as possible. I spent 10 years with an angry man (who also didn’t pull his weight) and have never regretted leaving - in fact I only regret staying as long as I did and wish I’d left far sooner. Don’t underestimate the damage he’ll be doing you either - it’s taken years for the psychological scars he left me to heal, and he wasn’t abusive angry - just ‘walking on eggshells/constantly my job to emotionally manage him’ level angry.
And that’s without even getting to the insane slovenliness and lack of respect or care he shows you re the state of the house or doing the (very simple, totally reasonable!) things you asked of him. Again, been there, felt totally alone and unsupported and it sucks. And all I can tell you, again, is that I wish I hadn’t tolerated it for as long as I did. Being a single parent was infinitely easier than being let down again and again by the person who’s supposed to have your back.
By contrast, now OH cleans the entire house when I’m at work (NHS so long work day) because he wants me to come home and not have anything to do except relax. AND he’s cooked me something nice too. And earlier I asked him to do something later (a very small unimportant thing!) and then promptly forgot all about it - he’s just come back from the shop and gone to do it for me because HE cares enough to remember even when I don’t. That’s how it should be, and tbh I wish when I was young and daft that I’d known enough to hold out for better. At least I was smart enough to ditch useless exh before I wasted any more years feeling like an invisible house servant 🤷‍♀️

Thanks for your reply.
When I spend time with other couples I just find it so fascinating watching their (healthy) dynamic, so I'm sure you're right...it'll take time to get over all this baggage.

I think once I find the courage to tell him (I guess I need to fix some admin first) I have already decided I don't want to go into the "why" because that just opens up the discussion and telling me why I'm wrong and don't see what he does do and my standards are too high, too critical etc.

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