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Dealing with overbearing male family members

25 replies

Shs726 · 06/01/2026 19:19

I’m in my late 30s and come from a South Asian background. My father was largely absent growing up, and there’s a significant age gap between my brothers and me.

When I was a young teenager, my brothers got married, flew the nest and started families of their own.

At 18, I began working and contributing to rent while also attending university. At 21, my mum was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and had to stop working. From that point on, I took on all household bills and continued paying rent. My father showed no interest in helping or even visiting. My brothers, understandably, were focused on their own families. That period forced me to grow up very quickly and become self-sufficient. Thankfully, my mum beat the cancer, though she was never quite the same again.

Within three years of graduating, I secured a well-paying job. By my mid-20s, I was earning six figures. At 26, I bought my first property in London on my own. I later rented it out due to work relocation, while continuing to cover my mum’s rent and bills.

At 27, I started dating someone. My mum knew, but I didn’t tell my brothers or father because we didn’t have that kind of relationship; they rarely checked in. When my boyfriend proposed, I informed them. That’s when the fallout began.

There was intense backlash: I was criticised for not informing them earlier, and for choosing someone who wasn’t South Asian. I faced emotional blackmail, was told I was naïve, that I hadn’t “seen the world,” and that they knew better. I was accused of having too much freedom, of being spoilt and stubborn. My father disowned me which, given his absence, felt more symbolic than practical. My mum was my only consistent supporter. Eventually, my brothers and their wives came around.

I planned and paid for my wedding entirely on my own (unusual in my family circles, especially considering my brothers’ weddings were funded by my parents). Many relatives assumed my father and brothers had paid, which wasn’t true. My father was invited but didn’t attend.

I married at 30. Some years later, my husband and I separated and divorced. I never stopped financially supporting my mum and managing her medical care, despite living further away than my siblings.

Over the last five to six years, my brothers have repeatedly borrowed large sums of money from me, often repaying late.

During my divorce, an emotionally devastating time, they said they were “there for me,” but in reality, they rarely checked in. Yet they always had time to ask for financial help, which I continued to provide.
Recently, after spending heavily on legal fees, relocation, and renovating my rental property, I had a disagreement with one brother.

He was angry that I didn’t “take my ex-husband to the cleaners.” I explained that this was my choice. He responded by saying, “We let you do what you want. We let you marry who you wanted. We let you divorce, but sometimes you have to listen.”
That statement stunned me. I’m approaching 40. I’ve built my life independently, financially and emotionally. I’ve never interfered in my brothers’ lives or felt entitled to dictate their choices. Yet they, still seem to believe they have authority over me.

I’m exhausted by having to defend my autonomy and basic rights, and I don’t understand why asserting them leads to conflict. I can’t help but feel that misogyny plays a role here. I doubt I would be treated this way if I were a man. How best to address this to set my boundary for once and for all?

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Daleksatemyshed · 06/01/2026 20:06

Misogyny plays a big part Op, your brothers think they should have a say in who you marry, your job is to look after your DM and pay her bills but you should still look up to them and do as you're told because you're a woman. You've done a damn good job of living your own life, just do as you wish and don't let them get to you

Catza · 06/01/2026 20:11

The easiest way would be to keep staying "I am not willing to discuss this with you". However, knowing myself if someone told me they "let me" do something, I'd very calmly but very assertively disabuse them of their belief that they hold any sort of power to "let me" or "not let me" do anything. And in fact, they seem to be forgetting that I "let them" maintain their lifestyle by subsidising them with MY money which, sadly, would now have to stop.

BeeCucumber · 06/01/2026 20:13

Stop giving them money. They are treating you like a bank. Stop defending yourself - they won’t listen so stop wasting your breath. Drop the rope and stop engaging with them. They will never see you an equal. Keep your mother on an information diet so that she cannot share details of your life with them.

Imisscoffee2021 · 06/01/2026 20:14

Unfortunately the only way might be to simply tell them less and stop loaning them money.

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/01/2026 20:14

Of course misogyny plays a part. But there are two aspects to that and only one has power over you.

Their misogyny isn’t under your control.

Your internalised misogyny is. You support your mum, manage all the female ‘work’ of the family, and all the ‘male’ work. They are supposed to be providers, correct? Both your brothers and dad. But they have failed entirely to do their part in the patriarchy. And yet, you still talk to them, fund them, give them headspace. Why? Just get on with your life, and ignore them. Why are you even talking to your brother about your divorce. If you have to talk to them, talk about the weather, their kids, the price of fish. Anything light and meaningless. “What book are you reading?” “How is the dog?” Not real conversations. Or, actually important, “I can’t lend you more money what with supporting myself AND your mother”.

DaisyChain505 · 06/01/2026 20:16

Stop giving these men money.

You are your own person and you don’t not have to answer to anyone.

Just because of your background it does not mean you have to do certain things that people of your culture usually do.

Take control of your life and live the way you want to.

Fantomfartflinger · 06/01/2026 20:22

They want both power and to be provided for. Sorry cannot have it both ways.

Shs726 · 06/01/2026 20:26

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/01/2026 20:14

Of course misogyny plays a part. But there are two aspects to that and only one has power over you.

Their misogyny isn’t under your control.

Your internalised misogyny is. You support your mum, manage all the female ‘work’ of the family, and all the ‘male’ work. They are supposed to be providers, correct? Both your brothers and dad. But they have failed entirely to do their part in the patriarchy. And yet, you still talk to them, fund them, give them headspace. Why? Just get on with your life, and ignore them. Why are you even talking to your brother about your divorce. If you have to talk to them, talk about the weather, their kids, the price of fish. Anything light and meaningless. “What book are you reading?” “How is the dog?” Not real conversations. Or, actually important, “I can’t lend you more money what with supporting myself AND your mother”.

I hear what you are saying and thank you for taking time to respond.

But just to add a little background, I come from an Asian culture where there’s still some patriarchy.
I didn’t go in to details on why my marriage broke down but just that I was getting a divorce and kept it simple.

I had many family members constantly probing me for information or asking my mum. Then if you assert your boundaries your labelled as disrespectful or too westernised etc
It doesn’t help when you have other females backing/endorsing this patriarchy. Even my mother gets taunted for not raising me well because I choose to live life my own way instead of the “community way”.

I just can’t be bothered with the drama at times. So I just ignore and carry on doing my own thing. It still is annoying though.

but I do need to stop lending money. It’s just when they ask saying it’s urgent or it’s emergency, I feel guilty if I don’t help as their blood. But that’s something I need to become more firm with.

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TheFlis · 06/01/2026 20:31

OP as well as the misogyny I bet there is some jealousy and resentment there that you have managed to break outside the traditional confines and are obviously incredibly successful to the point you are supporting your Mother and your brothers need to borrow money from you. Bloody well done, don’t let them make you feel bad for it.

RescueMeFromThisSilliness · 06/01/2026 20:44

'but I do need to stop lending money. It's just when they ask saying it's urgent or it's emergency, I feel guilty if I don't help as their blood. But that's something I need to become more firm with'

You certainly do. You also need to become more firm with yourself, because the only person making you feel guilty is you. They treat you with contempt most of the time, and then when they need money, who do they ask? You. Because they know that family ties are important to you, and they can guilt-trip you into it. I'm guessing they show no genuine gratitude for your help, and merely think it is their right to expect you to cough up every time.

@Shs726 Please stop feeling guilty for not wanting to help people who are unpleasant towards you. Just stop it. They say blood is thicker than water, but it's all coming from you and you get nothing but hassle in return.

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 06/01/2026 20:53

@Shs726 you sound bloody awesome! Smart, creative, resourceful, independent- I could go on.
But the internalised misogyny and the residual deference to those men is your downfall, as it is many women's from many cultures. Recognise it for what it is and stand up to it and you will be EVEN MORE AWESOME!
Idea - join some kind of women's group, get support and camaraderie from other women?

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/01/2026 21:09

Shs726 · 06/01/2026 20:26

I hear what you are saying and thank you for taking time to respond.

But just to add a little background, I come from an Asian culture where there’s still some patriarchy.
I didn’t go in to details on why my marriage broke down but just that I was getting a divorce and kept it simple.

I had many family members constantly probing me for information or asking my mum. Then if you assert your boundaries your labelled as disrespectful or too westernised etc
It doesn’t help when you have other females backing/endorsing this patriarchy. Even my mother gets taunted for not raising me well because I choose to live life my own way instead of the “community way”.

I just can’t be bothered with the drama at times. So I just ignore and carry on doing my own thing. It still is annoying though.

but I do need to stop lending money. It’s just when they ask saying it’s urgent or it’s emergency, I feel guilty if I don’t help as their blood. But that’s something I need to become more firm with.

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I understand the cultural aspect. But that leaves you with a situation where everyone is playing their part in a script that’s been written already. They are on rails but so are you. They are saying their lines, and you rightly object. But then you say yours. Do you think they feel any sadness or real guilt and shame that they haven’t met their cultural obligations? To pay for the wedding, to support their mother/wife? I doubt it. But you do still feel beholden.

I know it’s hard. I have one friend who had to fight her way out. Still sees her mum but on the quiet. Pretty much disowned by everyone else. Her DH is white, most of her friends are too. It’s very difficult whichever road you choose. So choose the one that suits you the best.

tarheelbaby · 06/01/2026 21:23

@Shs726 : I hope you know you're a total legend.

In classic MN parlance: No is a complete sentence. But you can work up to that with, 'Ask (other brother)/dad; I can't do that this time'

The hardest part in all this is maintaining the balance between real life and a connection to your family's community. So be strong and continue to live life the way that works best for you. Give your nicest 'grey rock' answers. I hope your mother replies stoutly that you saved her life repeatedly and cared for her when no one else did! Where were her 'dutiful DILs' where were her 'successful sons'? She could support you here by announcing loudly how proud she is (she ruddy should be!) and what an excellent daughter you are. You could point this out to her or ask her questions in front of others so that she gives the answers they need to hear.

If you called either brother/SIL tonight and said 'I need a place to stay, can you come pick me up now?' would they come? Would they take you to their house and set you up in the guest room or double up their kids or fold out the sofa?

Reading your OP, I suspect not, so you can decide now how much more you want to engage. When they call you with, 'I need money for ... ' (I'll be they never say please or even ask; I'll bet they just demand) you can say, 'I'm a bit short this month too. Ask (other brother)/Dad.'
If you really want to stick the knife in, ask them whether they're ashamed to take money from a woman ...

EarthSight · 06/01/2026 21:28

We let you

There's so much in that assertion.

They think you're their property OP, because you're a woman.

No matter how well you do in life, you will always be that property, just a shinier one, but not a full autonomous human being that deserves respect, only their permissions and begrudging tolerance.

I had many family members constantly probing me for information or asking my mum. Then if you assert your boundaries your labelled as disrespectful or too westernised

Yes - nosey, horribly gossipy people who don't have a kind interest in your life and are not on your side will do that. They don't like 'no'.

Why do your brothers always need to borrow money?

Do they really need it, or, knowing how high your salary must be and the fact you don't say no more often, is it more the case that they have become accustomed to a certain standard of living?

In your position, I'm not sure it's worth the drama of being honest. Do you have a position where you could convince them that you've taken a big pay cut at work as the company's not doing so well, or that now you've had your usual bonus cut?

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 07/01/2026 21:59

You need to have very clear boundaries with them - go low contact, keep it superficial, do not engage, do not care and do not lend them money. It may be hard initially, but you can work on this and it will become second nature. I hope you have a lovely family of friends that are on the same wavelength as you. I have, in very similar circumstances, chosen to nurture the family I made rather than the family I was born with.

Crushed23 · 08/01/2026 03:46

Tell your brothers to fuck off and stop giving them money?

You’ve been a bit of a pushover, I’m afraid.

Bringemout · 08/01/2026 05:08

Turn the culture around on them, you are their divorced younger sister and they are scabbing off you and left you to take care of their mum. Shame the shit out of them. I think in most south asian communities people would feel they should be embarrassed for not taking care of their mum and then taking money off their little sister. I know in my family everyone would be side eyeing them for that. All their chat is bullshit, it’s about keeping you in your place and docile. If they really observed their cultural practices one of them would have offered you financial support and housing.

Start saying you need money every time they call. “The divorce has been really tough financially for me, can you give me that money I lent you back, I was literally going to just call you to ask if you can spare a few k”.

Stop thinking about whether you need their approval and start thinking about whether you approve of them. These traditional men can’t even support their own families, thats their job. Not yours.

Dweetfidilove · 08/01/2026 07:03

I know this is extremely difficult for you, and you will need to work on standing up to them, but I just want to commend you on the fantastic job you're doing.

You are the 'patriarch' in this patriarchy. You have been supporting your mother since 18 - that's your father's and brothers' job.

You paid for your own wedding- again, doing your family's job.

You are financing shameless wannabe 'patriarchs', who want to dictate a life that is far more successful than theirs.

OP, work on dropping the obligation and you'll find your life is far better without the opinionated parasites.

MuyPuy · 08/01/2026 07:11

You sound amazing OP. Stand firm with your brothers and stop lending them money.

Lengokengo · 08/01/2026 07:20

Definitely stop lending money. Develop some key phrases for when they ask.

eg I can’t lend you money right now: I’m in a difficult financial position : ask brother/dad/another man.

then walk away.

they will not show you any respect until it is in their interest to do so. Your current response (giving them money and soaking up their vile misogyny and entitlement) is very much in their interests. Change the dynamics.

Dery · 08/01/2026 07:21

“Bringemout · Today 05:08
Turn the culture around on them, you are their divorced younger sister and they are scabbing off you and left you to take care of their mum. Shame the shit out of them. I think in most south asian communities people would feel they should be embarrassed for not taking care of their mum and then taking money off their little sister. I know in my family everyone would be side eyeing them for that. All their chat is bullshit, it’s about keeping you in your place and docile. If they really observed their cultural practices one of them would have offered you financial support and housing.
Start saying you need money every time they call. “The divorce has been really tough financially for me, can you give me that money I lent you back, I was literally going to just call you to ask if you can spare a few k”.
Stop thinking about whether you need their approval and start thinking about whether you approve of them. These traditional men can’t even support their own families, thats their job. Not yours.”

This with bells on. Your brothers must be a huge disappointment to your mother. They are in no position to throw their weight around.

Dweetfidilove · 08/01/2026 07:32

Bringemout · 08/01/2026 05:08

Turn the culture around on them, you are their divorced younger sister and they are scabbing off you and left you to take care of their mum. Shame the shit out of them. I think in most south asian communities people would feel they should be embarrassed for not taking care of their mum and then taking money off their little sister. I know in my family everyone would be side eyeing them for that. All their chat is bullshit, it’s about keeping you in your place and docile. If they really observed their cultural practices one of them would have offered you financial support and housing.

Start saying you need money every time they call. “The divorce has been really tough financially for me, can you give me that money I lent you back, I was literally going to just call you to ask if you can spare a few k”.

Stop thinking about whether you need their approval and start thinking about whether you approve of them. These traditional men can’t even support their own families, thats their job. Not yours.

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Lurkingandlearning · 08/01/2026 07:40

They seem to be very selective about their adherence to their historical culture. I think that if they want to play the patriarchy card when it comes to what they have allowed you to do, they need to be reminded of how they have failed in their patriarchal role by not providing best care for your mother and yourself.

How you have cared for your mother and yourself is admirable in UK culture regardless of heritage. They have benefited from you following a secular and feminist culture immensely as they have been relieved of any duties they might otherwise have had. They should be thanking you.

Jellybean23 · 08/01/2026 08:09

Assert yourself. Stop lending, stop telling them about your private life. Who are they to tell you what to do? They are nobodies compared to you.

Imgoingtobefree · 08/01/2026 08:25

Hi, well done for all that you have achieved.

Everytime they say ‘I/we let you’, can you counter with something like ‘like you let me pay all mums bills for x years’?

I sort of understand how they must be entrenched in the patriarchy, so would pointing out something they should have done as the men of the family, shut them up?

With rights also come responsibilities.

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