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Am I cutting off my nose to spite my face? 20 year relationship

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UKAddendum · 03/01/2026 12:34

I've been with DH for 20 years, married 18, 2 kids 16 & 17. When we met we both had professional jobs, earned equal amounts. He was sociable (introverted though), and sporty. DH had a physically abusive upbringing, and was NC with hus family. After having children we moved out of London, away from friends and both had hideous commutes, to have childcare from my family which was a big mistake. Turns out he had bi polar disorder which had effectively been managed by his exercise routine which went out the window with 2-3 hour commutes and 2 young kids. He had a break down 13 years ago and hasn't worked since. His health has been up and down, currently stable. He has developed extreme social anxiety and barely speaks to anyone outside of the house. Doesn't take meds (they didn't work, and anxiety meds can't be used with rapid cycling bi polar). Won't get counselling.

He's been a good father, but can be a difficult character. He's basically a kind and generous person. But... he does very little. Illness or laziness? Unclear. He undertakes house projects-DIY, and will drive us anywhere and considers this to be his contribution. But it took him 3 months to construct build in shelves for the living room as he does max 3 hours a day, sometimes less because he can't get going before 2 at the earliest. The kitchen and dining table where his workshop for this period. It would have cost over 10k for someone else to do the work, but would take them 2-3 weeks.

I'm self employed and have supported the family for 13 years- lots of men do this. But, I'm guessing their partners don't feel emasculated or unworthy. He's convinced that he is rejected socially because he doesn't work (possibly true?) and this is the root of his social anxiety.

His behaviour and views can be challenging, but outside of issues around raising kids. His views have become more right wing- anti immigration, anti woke, etc. But deep down we still get on fairly well. But, I have a deep seated resentment towards his lack of awareness of how hard I work to provide and all the slack I pick up- financial admin, house chores, meal planning etc. He says he values me, but it's not obvious when he eye rolls if I remind him to do something and he "yes dear" s me a lot. Maybe I'm too bossy and should leave him to it- but m, as an example, then dinner is late and the 16 year old doesn't eat until after 9pm when his school tutorials are finished.

I've become intolerant of him and do take umbridge at things. He says I'm picking on him and need to leave him alone. I feel the same.

I don't know if there's any way back, too much water under the bridge. But, he's a kind person, basically good when I compare him to other people's shit partners. I've not been blameless is the deteriorating relationship gaving had past issues with alcohol, which are now dealt with.

I feel like my wedding vows should count for something. We had a big blow up last night where we both ssud we we're exhausted by the relationship and it seems to have run its course. I told him how I resent him not respecting what I do for him. He says hell mive out whenecer I want. I suggested he wits until after the kid's exams. I'll ve worseoff financial due to tax if he goes and I no longer pay him dividends. Am I cutting off my nose to spite my face if I walk away from someone who's a decent bloke? Or should I expect better/ enjoy the peace and quiet of not being with someone with mental health problems?

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Upthenorth · 03/01/2026 12:37

It doesn’t really sound like either of you get much from being together?

I think he will struggle significantly more than you being single. He probably isn’t fully aware of how much you do for him, too little too late kind of thing.

ThatJadeLion · 03/01/2026 12:49

The biggest problem to me is he isn't contributing financially unless he is eligible for benefits. I will say that social anxiety is very debilitating. I went through a rough spell of this for a few years ago but I handle it much better now since making lifestyle changes. I don't think you'll get a balanced response on here as MN can be a little pro LTB. Could he find some work working from home. I agree there sounds like a lot of good parts to him..could you take a step back for a month from nit picking and see the good only. Perhaps the reverse psychology will make him more productive.. just a thought.

LividArse · 03/01/2026 13:45

I absolutely couldn't live with him.

UKAddendum · 03/01/2026 14:02

ThatJadeLion · 03/01/2026 12:49

The biggest problem to me is he isn't contributing financially unless he is eligible for benefits. I will say that social anxiety is very debilitating. I went through a rough spell of this for a few years ago but I handle it much better now since making lifestyle changes. I don't think you'll get a balanced response on here as MN can be a little pro LTB. Could he find some work working from home. I agree there sounds like a lot of good parts to him..could you take a step back for a month from nit picking and see the good only. Perhaps the reverse psychology will make him more productive.. just a thought.

He's not eligible for benefits due to my income, and it's marginal whether he could hold down a job due to the nature of the rapid cycling bi polar. He struggles to stay well and work would likely cause him to relapse. I've been sympathetic as I understand that he's genuinely ill. If he had an ongoing physical illness it would be more "acceptable" rather than an unseen illness. But, his mania and then depression can be difficult to deal with. I feel terrible for giving up on someone due to ill health, but there is little upside. He'll struggle to support himself.

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Purplecatshopaholic · 03/01/2026 14:11

I think you’ve been a saint to put up with this for so long. I was in a similar situation and after 20+ years of supporting my ex, he cheated and I finally saw the light and divorced him. Life is soooo much better op. You don’t realise how fucked up and just exhausting life is dealing with a partners mental health until you bite the bullet and get rid. His problems going forward are not yours. You only have one life, don’t you have the right to enjoy it? (You do). Good luck op.

Celynfour · 03/01/2026 14:11

There’s a lot of differing aspects to this
Significant mental health problems - yes should be supported .
Saying ‘yes dear’ when asked for anything would be a crossed line for me . If he is feeling emasculated , it is on him to resolve those feelings - not demean you .
Differing politics could also be a line .
This is too complex for a clear leave - but could there be another way of co-parenting and contributing to family life - perhaps living separately?
You are also allowed to protect your own well-being .

Lararoft · 03/01/2026 14:16

With bipolar there are lots of different mood stabilisers - has he literally tried all of them at varying doses? Counselling wouldn’t work unless he’s stable on meds. He need to see a psychiatrist.

WallaceinAnderland · 03/01/2026 14:19

Expect better.

UKAddendum · 03/01/2026 14:19

Lararoft · 03/01/2026 14:16

With bipolar there are lots of different mood stabilisers - has he literally tried all of them at varying doses? Counselling wouldn’t work unless he’s stable on meds. He need to see a psychiatrist.

He's had poor outcomes on various meds. The rapid cycling variety, combined with anxiety is pretty difficult to medicate.

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Lararoft · 03/01/2026 14:23

Ok. I’ve got Schizoaffective disorder biopolar type which has been rapid cycling unfortunately, I’m finding quetiapine effective, has he tried that? (There are side effects that last for quite a few weeks each dose change).

UKAddendum · 03/01/2026 14:24

Celynfour · 03/01/2026 14:11

There’s a lot of differing aspects to this
Significant mental health problems - yes should be supported .
Saying ‘yes dear’ when asked for anything would be a crossed line for me . If he is feeling emasculated , it is on him to resolve those feelings - not demean you .
Differing politics could also be a line .
This is too complex for a clear leave - but could there be another way of co-parenting and contributing to family life - perhaps living separately?
You are also allowed to protect your own well-being .

Thank you. I suspect I'll be better off without in the long run, but do have concerns that the father of my children will crash and burn- with an impact on them. I'll sit it out until Highers are done this summer, then at least their education won't be impacted.

To be fair, he's not happy either. It irks me that he talks about getting a job because he needs to if he leaves (with questionable success), but won't now. He does have a history of suicidal ideation, and my ultimate concern is that this is how it will end. What then for my kid's emotional wellbeing.

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UKAddendum · 03/01/2026 14:31

Lararoft · 03/01/2026 14:23

Ok. I’ve got Schizoaffective disorder biopolar type which has been rapid cycling unfortunately, I’m finding quetiapine effective, has he tried that? (There are side effects that last for quite a few weeks each dose change).

He's not going to be open to medication unfortunately.

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ComtesseDeSpair · 03/01/2026 14:43

I feel like my wedding vows should count for something.

Wedding vows are an ambition. They mean you commit to trying when things are hard and working together to solve problems you encounter. And you’ve done that, for many years; but trying hard is no longer enough, the problems can’t be tackled, and you’ve both reached the point where it’s making you miserable and exhausted. That’s when you reflect on what marriage actually means - a mutually beneficial partnership, a solid foundation for family life, something you can rely on - and acknowledge you aren’t breaking your vows because that’s not what’s being provided any more, and it’s not even a likely future possibility.

You can’t put your entire life on hold in case he has a breakdown post separation. If that happens then there’s never going to be a “better” time for that for your DC - if it’s not their school exams then it’ll be university, their first proper job, a difficult time in their own lives which prevents you from wanting to leave. And, for all your worry that separating will be the wait time for him, he certainly hasn’t been getting any better in the relationship, has he? It may not in fact be the worst thing for him to have to engage with his life and his problems and construct his own recovery and wellbeing, which he’s currently able to absent himself from because he has you as a cushion.

Bibi12 · 04/01/2026 01:25

If he doesn't work he should be picking way more housework then he's doing now. I doubt he can't do that due to his mental health. He seemed to have picked DIY because in his eyes it makes him feel more "manly" and instead of being an adult and stepping up he disrespects you.
You can't blame his behaviour on his mental health. Sorry. He is more interested in his male ego then in finding ways to step up and be supportive towards his family. It's one thing to not have a job as that could potentially be due to mental problems but to not even feel any need or duty to take over domestic labour from overworked spouse is something else. And its not that he's trying and failing. He's not even trying! He thinks it's beneath him! Never mind that you're working yourself to the ground while he's too busy worrying about his preceived "manliness". You can't cure selfishness OP.

SandyY2K · 04/01/2026 01:33

UKAddendum · 03/01/2026 14:02

He's not eligible for benefits due to my income, and it's marginal whether he could hold down a job due to the nature of the rapid cycling bi polar. He struggles to stay well and work would likely cause him to relapse. I've been sympathetic as I understand that he's genuinely ill. If he had an ongoing physical illness it would be more "acceptable" rather than an unseen illness. But, his mania and then depression can be difficult to deal with. I feel terrible for giving up on someone due to ill health, but there is little upside. He'll struggle to support himself.

I think you need to ask yourself if you can live like this for the rest of your life. It doesn't sound like anything will change for him and you'll continue to be the financial provider forever... I'd be resentful in that situation.

If they're are specific things you'd like to be different, that you think are possible..maybe have a talk with him when you've both calmed down.

On the other hand, if you've already checked out emotionally and can't continue... I'd suggest having a few counselling sessions to talk or through and take it from there.

ChinFluff46 · 04/01/2026 02:37

If the exercise routine was helping him manage, why not go back to that?

I had a good friend, he used to cycle to and from work. I encouraged them to move and they were further from work and had to get the train. They developed social anxiety, now on meds, gained huge amount of weight. I feel I should never have encouraged the move.

I'm wondering if the structure and routine of exercise was providing a benefit.

TheAvidWriter · 04/01/2026 02:55

OP, as you know having a mental illness takes a huge toll on relationships, and it seems you two have navigated things on autopilot, more so as not to disrupt and upset temporary good chapters, and then roll into bad ones, and the wheel runs round, never really knowing whats next.

Taking medication for this type of illness takes time, but there is a lot he can do too but although it may sound weird to most, it sounds to me as though he is either in full burnout, by not functioning for so long and on empty all the time, or there is depression that has become so deep rooted that he no longer sees ahead, at all.

When there is diagnosis of a mental illness its a massive shock to the system, and a lot of people will automatically give up on themselves. The loss of a job is a huge ego cutter, and then medication not working, or brining on unwanted side effects, its all just endless and he is probably fully aware that the sexy, fully working male he ones was to you, is now a zero contributing human, less than most, and of no value to society. That is a thought that he most likely has rallying around in his head, if he has not mentioned this to you a 1000 times.

You know all of this, you lived it, and you love this man. He is still in there, but rarely shows up, right? So I get why you are asking yourself why you are bothering, and if you are cruel for wanting out.

Your are not cruel. And neither is he. You just been dealt cards that are sometimes impossible to navigate. But not impossible.

When was the last time he saw anyone about his MH? Because a lot has changed since his diagnosis if it was 13 years ago since his diagnosis, and a lot of new treatments and medications. I am aware I am rattling on and telling you things you already know, just feel for you both.

dunroamingfornow · 04/01/2026 09:36

He’s open to separating. I would charge through that door. Picture your life in ten years time when children are out of the house hopefully living their own lives. What will you be doing? You deserve better

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/01/2026 10:23

What do you want to teach your children about relationships and what are they learning here?.

I wonder what your children think about life at home. What are they going to remember the most about their childhood which is fast disappearing now. Sound travels too; these children likely heard far more than either of you care to realise and they certainly are aware about the state of your marriage. They pick up on all the vibes here, both spoken and unspoken, between you two.

I would readily assume the tense atmosphere at home is not very conducive to studying either so their education is indeed being impacted. I would not use their upcoming higher exams as a reason to stay together.

Did your H ever receive any therapy whatsoever for his abusive childhood?.

thepariscrimefiles · 04/01/2026 10:42

UKAddendum · 03/01/2026 14:02

He's not eligible for benefits due to my income, and it's marginal whether he could hold down a job due to the nature of the rapid cycling bi polar. He struggles to stay well and work would likely cause him to relapse. I've been sympathetic as I understand that he's genuinely ill. If he had an ongoing physical illness it would be more "acceptable" rather than an unseen illness. But, his mania and then depression can be difficult to deal with. I feel terrible for giving up on someone due to ill health, but there is little upside. He'll struggle to support himself.

I would find his right-wing views totally unacceptable. The irony is that his fellow right-wingers would consider him to be a drain on society as he doesn't work or pay taxes and they wouldn't think that his bi-polar disorder was real.

He seems to want to punch down on people that he deems inferior to himself, such as immigrants.

He contributes very little to your family life so I would certainly be seriously considering splitting up and filing for divorce.

Whatifitallgoesright · 04/01/2026 10:50

Dies he go to a gym/martial arts club?

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 04/01/2026 10:58

If his social anxiety is preventing him from getting outside can he not try solo running as an exercise to try to mitigate his illness? If exercise worked before, then maybe it can at least help again, and running doesn't need to involve any social interaction. Or even a treadmill at home?

(To be honest I'm still boggling at 10k to build some shelves!)

Pearlstillsinging · 04/01/2026 11:03

UKAddendum · 03/01/2026 14:02

He's not eligible for benefits due to my income, and it's marginal whether he could hold down a job due to the nature of the rapid cycling bi polar. He struggles to stay well and work would likely cause him to relapse. I've been sympathetic as I understand that he's genuinely ill. If he had an ongoing physical illness it would be more "acceptable" rather than an unseen illness. But, his mania and then depression can be difficult to deal with. I feel terrible for giving up on someone due to ill health, but there is little upside. He'll struggle to support himself.

Is he not eligible for PIP? It isn't means-tested and if he has medical records going back years detailing his illness, he should be eligible.

UKAddendum · 04/01/2026 15:11

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 04/01/2026 10:58

If his social anxiety is preventing him from getting outside can he not try solo running as an exercise to try to mitigate his illness? If exercise worked before, then maybe it can at least help again, and running doesn't need to involve any social interaction. Or even a treadmill at home?

(To be honest I'm still boggling at 10k to build some shelves!)

I've given up making suggestions of things that could be done in place of/as well as cycling. My face has turned blue. He's late 50s now so has various niggles and injuries, illnesses etc. We all know that exercise helps. I can't do it for him. I also can't force him to make a pip claim. He's refused saying he's too anxious and the process will make him more ill. He's probably right to be fair as finances are a trigger. He can't manage any banking or bills.

I've discussed him today about getting help with the social anxiety and seeing a psychiatrist again about new treatment options. We have insurance that will cover it. He will or he won't....

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Snoken · 04/01/2026 15:59

I think you need to just call it quits now. Your life will only get worse once the kids leave and he is all that you have at home. I personally would have stuck around through mental illness if there was at least some indication that he is trying to help himself, but living with a right-wing, anti-immigration (as if he's such an asset to society), anti-woke person would never happen. That is so far from who I am as a person that I would have lost all respect and love. It would be nice for your children to know that you don't accept that behaviour. I think in the long run they'd appreciate that more than you staying because they are still living at home. What if one of them gets a girlfriend/boyfriend who isn't British? They wouldn't feel safe bringing them around either of you if they think those views are acceptable to either of you.