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Christmas and toxic family relationships

12 replies

Minnesota38 · 18/12/2025 14:45

I'm not even sure where to start, or if this will even make much sense but thought trying to write it down would be a start.

I (42F) am no/very low contact with my two older siblings (44F & 47F). The middle sister has some mental health difficulties so I've had a lifetime of treating on eggshells around her due to her volatility and everyone has had to put up with this otherwise we wouldn't have seen her kids. The oldest sister is like a spoiled teenager who has never grown up, very self absorbed and superficial, think the world revolves around her - and to an extend our family has had to, we've always been told to put up with her for the sake of the family / for mums sake.

I've always put up with these dynamics but since having my own children, I've put in some boundaries and tried to have space away from their toxicity.

My mum has always been fairly emotionally unavailable, she has her own difficulties in childhood which has meant we've always had to do things to keep her happy, stop her guilt trips, and pretend to be a happy family when we're far from it. She's never truly cared that we're actually happy - just that we play pretend and do things to keep her happy, with no consideration of us being happy too.

That's the background. I've muddled through with keeping distance but pressure has been building about Christmas, mum is expecting my family to go on boxing day. Ive said no, said I don't want to be around my siblings as it's too damaging, but it's all falling on deaf ears. She ignored half of what I say, then just defends the others ("oh that's just the way the older one is" "just put up with it for a day" and saying she'll be sad if we can't all get together for one day" despite me saying how sad it makes me). She said even in the war people put their differences aside for one day and after what she went through with her mother is it too much to ask for us all to pretend for one day.

Today she's just ignored what I said yesterday and said about boxing day food - completely ignoring my worries and the impact on me.

This might seem stupid as it's just one day but it's reflective of the crap parenting and family life I've had. Having to ignore how I feel and put up with everything so mum doesn't get upset.

I honestly feel like I need therapy or something or process my childhood and family relationships.

How do you get parents to listen or even consider your feelings over theirs? It feels impossible and it makes me so sad, and frustrated.

Am I a terrible person for wanting to protect myself rather than play pretend in this toxic environment again? It's putting a cloud over Christmas for me, and I also don't want my children exposed to this.

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ACatNamedRobin · 18/12/2025 14:49

Ignore her. Try to not let what she's saying get to you.
And most importantly, just don't go.

Melsy88 · 18/12/2025 15:06

Totally get this. I haven't been sleeping as dreading family time over xmas so much. I live alone and feel lonelier when I'm with family due to no-one asking about me, or caring about what I want.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/12/2025 15:14

Keep on saying no to visiting on Boxing Day. No is a complete sentence. if she persists block her access to you.

Stay away from all these toxic people. You needs radiators in your life, not drains. Indeed do not expose your children further to such toxic family relations.

I would seriously consider therapy re your childhood. BACP are good and you will need to interview the therapist carefully and at length before deciding on any particular one. What happened to you here was not your fault. Read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward as a starting point.

"How do you get parents to listen or even consider your feelings over theirs? It feels impossible and it makes me so sad, and frustrated".

You cannot make them listen so do not bother with them. They will maintain their own narrative even though it is false one. Drop the rope they hold out to you here. You have qualities they lack; empathy and insight.

OilyRoundTheCogs · 18/12/2025 15:16

...mum is expecting my family to go on boxing day. Ive said no, said I don't want to be around my siblings as it's too damaging, but it's all falling on deaf ears

Doesn't matter whether it is falling on deaf ears. You've said no - so you won't be going. Is she going to turn up with tasers, bundle you all in the back of a van and transport you to her house?

Let all her comments about food and you being there "fall on deaf ears" too.

SENhelp50 · 18/12/2025 15:22

I live alone and am now NC with sibling and very LC with mum. I am dreading this Christmas as I probably won't be invited. I don't want to and can't go because it's gone too far now. But knowing I'll be totally excluded is difficult.

I'm the scapegoat treated like an absolute piece of rubbish and I'd love a different set up so I could be with family. Not possible.

Just don't go honestly. Say you're feeling very ill a few days running up and you're not going to be able to go.

Justmuddlingalong · 18/12/2025 15:35

Tell her what she buys for boxing day is irrelevant to you as you won't be going. It's not up for negotiation, you won't change your mind and you won't be discussing it any further.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 18/12/2025 20:08

Therapy is a very good idea, lovely.

Fwiw a lot of mothers,have a very difficult childhood and don't expect their children to fall in line because of it. As I suspect you know it's about them and their 'keeping up appearances' and not about any genuine happiness.

But it hurts.

@SENhelp50 Flowers for you too.

Homepizza · 18/12/2025 20:42

It is about appearances with some people. They can’t admit they ever did anything wrong. Make up a physical illness and they can cope with that. They can tell the neighbours and your aunt you didn’t come because you have arthritis in your knee or flu. But telling them you won’t come because they’re arseholes isn’t something they can cope with.

thrive25 · 18/12/2025 21:06

You are not alone in having a family who cause you pain

you’ve done the mature thing in stating your boundaries

if they won’t listen: play along then be tactically ill on the day and unable to go

do the same repeatedly until they realise you are never going

enjoy the day with your own family instead

do the

mindutopia · 18/12/2025 21:57

They don’t have to consider your feelings, really. They can think or not think what they like. You still don’t go. You’re an adult with free will and children to protect. The cycle stops with you. You have plans of your own and will not be seeing them on Boxing Day. Block them all until the 27th. Enjoy your day with your family.

I do recommend therapy. I am NC with my mum. It was incredibly beneficial. Her Christmas emails telling me what a terrible person I am used to leave me spiraling for days. Now they just roll off me and I don’t care, just delete and get on with my day and feel grateful for the family I do have.

canklesmctacotits · 18/12/2025 22:17

You’ve told her you won’t be going, it’s up to her what she does with that information. If she ignores it, that’s her choice (and one she presumably won’t like the consequences of, but meh). How do you get her to listen? You can’t. She won’t - ever. She’s got her world view in her head and there’s nothing you can do to change it - it would be like trying to make her accept that the world is flat. Don’t waste your time. Just nod, say mhmmm, and do whatever you were going to do anyway. If she raises her voice or takes her emotions out on you, stop her immediately and say you’re not going there again and that you will put the phone down if she tries again. Let her live in her fantasy world: it’s hers. You live in your world. You’re a grown woman. Don’t allow her to stop you growing up from the child you used to be.

Speckly · 18/12/2025 22:58

“Think you’ve sent this to me by mistake. We won’t be there on Boxing Day as previously discussed”.

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