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Need advice on a friend...

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DisguisedForThis · 10/06/2008 14:23

Have namechanged as there is a lot of info here.

This friend and I have been friends for 15 years, and best friends for about 10 years. We lived together for 4 years. We were always together and did everything together.

When we moved in together it was fine for a while, and then she started to be weird. We got a phone line installed, which we agreed together to do, and I was the one to organise it, so it was in my name.
The same thing happened with a few other pieces of furniture we bought on HP. We went shopping together, chose them together, discussed and agreed how much we could each afford and then 'bought' them together, but everything was in my name (she said she could not get credit).
A few weeks/months later, she decided she couldn't afford any of these things and so therefore would not be contributing to the bills. I had signed all the contracts so I was left with the bills, which I could not afford. As a result, I got into a lot of debt.
Then, her boyfriend moved in, and she continued to pay only half the rent, which I agreed to as obviously they shared a room. We also split the bills and CT 50/50, half to her and her DP, half to me. She ignored me when I tried to talk to her, and said she was busy. They would come home, stay in her room all night and I would never see them. It was very
After about a year (I know..) I realised I was being taken for a ride and told her I could no longer do it. She announced that they would have to move out.

Anyway, this was a while ago, and as we were friends I let it all go, and things were better between us, I never brought up all the things that had happened and I got on with our friendship. All fine.

After a few years, I realised I was the one making all the effort, and she would text me but that was about it. We would make plans and she would cancel them at the last minute, all the time. So, one night I told her all this and she was really upset and said she knows that she does that but she doesn't love her fiance (the same man who lived with us years ago, they have been together about 9 years now) and needs me there for when they eventually split up. She says she is going to leave him all the time, and never does.

Then, when I became pregnant she was great, our friendship really got back on track. She was brilliant, helpful, visited me a lot etc. I asked her to be DS godmother, she accepted, and came to the chapel, stood up and did the whole thing.

DS is 3.5 now, and she has only met him about 6 times. She has never babysat (though she has been asked, and many of my other friends have), she didn't some round for his birthday party (to which there were about 25 of my other friends there), She didn't come round at Christmas, and the last time she saw him was around August last year, because we met her by chance in a shopping centre.

I decided I was not going to waste any more of my time trying to be friends with her. All the effort was on my side, and I have better things to do.

The thing is, I have loads of friends, and really don't need her friendship. But she does not have friends, and she is into doing things alone, swimming, cycling, running etc. She never really goes out, and doesn't come out for any of our friends 'events' (birthdays, get-together meals, nights out, lunches etc, which we have really often).

I haven't spoken to her since December, and the rest of our friends have also stopped inviting her out with us, as she always says no (and she was also more 'my' friend anyway, she was really more friends with them through me, IYKWIM) I was fairly resigned to the fact that we were not friends any more, and was only really bothered by it because she is DS godmother.

Anyway.. last week she emailed me. She said sorry for not being in touch for a while and she hopes we are well and maybe catch up soon.

What should I do?

a) reply and say 'nice to hear from you, we are fine thanks' (short and unfriendly)
b) reply with a detailed explanation of why I haven't been in touch, and why I feel this way
c) no reply
d) other option..

I hope I have explained this well enough, obviously there is more too it but think this is enough.. and thank you for getting this far!

Any advice on how to progress?

OP posts:
Janos · 10/06/2008 20:31

You sound like a very kind and forgiving person DSM to even consider rekindling a friendship with this woman.

It must be very hurtful if she doesn't bother with your DS when she's his godmother.

Can I stick my two penn'orth in about a reply if you haven't laready done so?

I would suggest that a is the best response, because if you do b and pour your heart out and she doesn't respond or sends a nasty reply then you may feel even worse.

Sometimes it's better to deal with people how they actually are and not how we would like them to be and from what you say it doesn't sound like she has changed much.

getbackinyouryurtjimjams · 10/06/2008 20:48

I agree reply with a.

It sounds like she's just immersing herself in her fiance's family. I doubt it has anything to do with you per se. More about her relationship with her fiance.

2point4kids · 10/06/2008 21:01

That is a LOT of money to have lent her in the past.
Do you think she could be getting back in gtouch because she is after something again now?
If you reply with B) then she may get all defensive and play the victim and you will never know what the real story was.

I'd definitely go with option A) and say something like 'wow, havent heard from you for absolutely ages, we're all fine thanks hope you are too. would be nice to catch up sometime. DS is still gorgeous and has of course grown so much since you saw him last' and leave it in her court.
If she then seems keen to meet up and resume the friendship you can ask her then where she has been hiding and how come she hasnt been in touch.
If she seems keen to get back in touch and then asks you for money or a favour, you will know where the land really lies and you can tell her to get stuffed!

DirtySexyMummy · 10/06/2008 21:05

Thank you Janos.

I haven't done it yet, I'm still undecided..

I think if I did tell her why I was pissed off, and she responded nastily, then I would know that was that. End of friendship.

Maybe option A is the way forward. And then, what if she responds with something flighty like 'Fancy meeting up next week?' Then what would I do? I wouldn't feel right just going out with her, and if I had it out with her face to face, and the response wasn't great, well, that would be worse.

Yurt - yes, maybe that is the case. But I don't know why she would do that. I introduced her and her fiance, I was friends with him before she met him (I used to go out with his friend) and have been friends with them both for the duration of their frienship. I was at the fiances sisters wedding with them. I have been on holiday with them (and my boyfriend at the time, it wasn't just me and those two!) I stood by her through some very difficult times (without too much detail, he went to jail for a while). For the last 3 or so years, she has sais she wants to leave him and she doesn't love him, and I have always stood by her.

She has always been fairly involved with his family, especially since his fiances sisters first baby was born, and for a few years this didn't affect our friendship.

Its just confusing, and upsetting for me.

Janos · 10/06/2008 21:30

I'm not surprised it's confusing and upsetting. for you.

Going on what you've said she does sound pretty selfish (the debt situation for example)and self absorbed.

I suppose the question is, do you want to see her again and rebuild your friendship?

Because if you do and are hoping she's turned into a nicer/better/more thoughtful person you could be disappointed and get hurt again.

Janos · 10/06/2008 21:35

Sorry, for the typos btw they always get worse when I'm tired!

One further thing - you are obviously expending a lot of emotional energey thinking about this and wondering what to do for the best. Do you think she is doing the same thing?

That may help you decide.

Long standing friendships like this can be so tricky and fraught with emotion, they really can.

DirtySexyMummy · 10/06/2008 22:01

Thank you Janos.

I doubt she is to be honest, very good point.

I need to think about this for a bit longer I think..

getbackinyouryurtjimjams · 10/06/2008 22:27

With the extra details it's definitely about the fiance and her relationship with him. She sounds as if she has all sorts of problems tbh. Is she very needy?

DirtySexyMummy · 10/06/2008 22:37

yeah, I suppose she is a bit. She was very clingy when we first became friends, almost to an extreme. But since she met him (he was her first boyfriend as well) she didn't need me anymore, and it was almost like she was stuck with me around because we lived together by then.

Maybe that was it..

Its funny how when you start to write things down, tell other people who have no involvement, you start to realise things..

getbackinyouryurtjimjams · 10/06/2008 22:43

She sounds very insecure tbh. And a lot of work.

There are a few friends Ive let go over the years (who knows it's probably mutual- definitely is in a few cases) but I really do think it's best to fizzle out rather than fall out. Circumstances change and friends can re-enter your life -providing there hasn't been a big fall out.

I'd really do as wannabe suggested earlier. Reply politely but leave the ball in her court. Don't make and effort

getbackinyouryurtjimjams · 10/06/2008 22:44

Did you know you've lost your pseudonym?

DirtySexyMummy · 10/06/2008 22:51

Think I probably will yurt. Thank you.

And yes, I made a mistake a few posts ago..

DirtySexyMummy · 10/06/2008 22:52

Mistake with the name, I meant. I never namechange, and was trying to be clever

getbackinyouryurtjimjams · 10/06/2008 22:55
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susia · 10/06/2008 23:00

I would ask to meet her and then explain that you've been upset by her not turning up to your child's birthday and not keeping in touch. It could well be though that she is jealous of the life you have, maybe her relationship was going through a bad patch and that's why she had an abortion but would really love children. I think she found your life too much what she wanted to keep in close touch with you. I think she has the relationship with her BF's nieces (is that right?) to show him how good she'd be as a parent.

I'm only guessing but I expect she's got a lot of pain there. So I'd meet her and say you've been hurt but not be too judgmental in case that is the reason.

quint · 10/06/2008 23:00

Go with the non commital choice definitely and if you really don;t care about seeing her again jus tbe vague whenever she mentions meeting up - if she ever pushes you and asks why - then tell her, but is it really worth the hassle now?

DirtySexyMummy · 10/06/2008 23:10

Thanks quint and susia -

Susia - I'm not sure I want to do it face to face though. I know what she is like and she will not say what she really thinks face to face, whereas I think if I gave her the opportunity to do it via email, she might have more confidence to explain. Otherwise, face to face I fer she would just say sorry a lot and not much else. We have been through this before, and it was done face to face.

I don't think she is jealous, I don't know the ins and outs of her relationship, obviously, but I know it well enough, I have known him for 10 years and her for 15, they have been together for 9 years and I lived with them both as a couple for 4 years. I don't think she wants children as she had a coil fitted after her abortion, before which she was on the pill. He would love children, but she says she doesn't want them because she doesn't love him (not to him obviously. Don't know what she says to him. He does not know about abortion).

I just can't understand why, after all I have ever done for her, and after all we went through together, she would not make the effort.

In hindsight, I went through a bit of a rocky patch in my life about 8-9 years ago, and she didn't really do much to help. When I think of it now..

susia · 10/06/2008 23:15

I suppose I find it hard to understand why anyone wouldn't want children! and always think that is the reason for things...but if she doesn't love this man and is still with him she must have bad self esteem issues. Maybe she is worried that as you know how she feels about him you will ask her why she is still with him?

It sounds like you still want to be friends with her otherwise you just wouldn't respond even though she is your child's godmother. So if you can't face her face to face, then email and ask her why.

DirtySexyMummy · 10/06/2008 23:20

She does have self esteem issues, yes. And I am sure she will want children one day, when she is older - she is only 28!

I would ask her about fiance, of course I would. Maybe thats why? I used to ask her a lot, not hassle her but just so she knew I would be there for her if she did leave him. She always said she was going to do it, and then just never did.

But this has been going on for years, so why would she have stopped contacting me now?

madamez · 10/06/2008 23:27

Another vote for a brief neutral reply. Telling people that they have been bad to you and you are angry with them never actually does any good. She won't burst into tears, vow to change and be Perfect Friend ever after. Nor are you likely to get the satisfaction of seeing her get punished in any way. All you are likely to get is a reply along the lines of 'Well fuck you too' and a list of your faults as she percieves them.
You don't need her. Move on. And the godparent thing is no big deal: I am sure your DS has lots of other adults round him who love him.

DirtySexyMummy · 10/06/2008 23:48

Thanks Madamez, and yes, he does. I guess I won't realy have to worry about it until he is older and sees photos and things and asks who she is. He doesn't remember her now anyway.

I am not really looking for a punishment, however I was kind of hoping for an explanation? I even thought maybe it would be good for her, I though is it really fair to just let her treat me like this for all these years, and let her think it is okay? And the thing is, I am not a pushover. I am not shy, I am not quiet and I am not weak. So, not sure that I want to start acting like that, IYKWIM.

My original plan was to leave it with dignity, but then she emailed me.

I jut wanted to know, why..

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