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It never really gets better does it?

77 replies

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 09:15

I've posted before under different names he tso I know most of you will think being in this position is my own fault. I don't know why, even knowing my H is a narcissist is abused and narcissistic, and knowing he mostly makes my life harder and more stressful, I still don't feel compelled to leave. I have some ND if that makes a difference but I'm a very intelligent and strong women otherwise (or so I thought!). I have a senior professional job and I stand up for myself.

At home, I feel bullied a lot of the time. Not all the time, but generally any time my H's mood takes it or if he doesn't get his own way, things are not good. He doesn't hit me. He has physically hurt me in the past but always small things he could answer away. He'll push past me, he'll grab something out of my hand, he grabbed me and shouted in my face once. I told my mum and his but surprisingly they didn't think it was a big deal. He's very calm and charming in front of them and I sound like I'm exaggerating.

He talks at me. He'll tell me all the ways I'm wrong or have a go at me but won't let me answer. Won't pause. Will ask a question but carry on talking. If I say something to him he doesn't like, which could be as simple as asking him to pick up his clothes that are thrown around our home office and if he doesn't like what I'm saying he walks out of the room, shouts or hides under the duvet. I don't have to be having a go for him to do that, he just can't take any sort of criticism, or what he sees as criticism.

Last night I said the DC (reception age) could sleep in our bed and usually he doesn't mind too much as he tends to like sleeping alone anyway so will go in the other room. This morning he was in the next room and the DC and I were having cuddles and watching TV in bed. I called DH to come in and cuddle with us. I called a few times as he didn't answer. Fine. An hour later he came bounding into the bedroom shouting about how he doesn't like being called from another room or downstairs and I could have woken him up if he'd been asleep (he admitted he wasnt) and he was concentrating on the game he was playing (he plays this game on his phone before work, during the day, after work, in bed... and it takes priority over everything else) and I said but I didn't wake you and we were just calling you for a hug. He was still angry and properly shouting, imitating me calling him and shouting really loudly. He then came to get in the bed and threw my DC toys across the room onto the floor so they started crying. He then lay in the bed next to us and carried on shouting and being angry.

I started recording him as he got angry. He reached over and then grabbed my arm like he wanted to break it. I said something and he let go but replied saying he'd wanted to break my arm. I have this on recording. I then said I'd call the police and at this point he left, which is probably for the best. He'd said earlier he wouldn't be back tonight which is fine, he's better off gone.

We share a car so he's taken my car. I'm supposed to be going to a party tonight and I've paid £40 for a ticket. He won't be here to look after DC and I won't have the car or car seat to take them to my parents. I still feel relieved he's gone!

I have very bad PMT so worried about how I'll get through the day but I'll do it...

OP posts:
Bayroot1 · 06/12/2025 11:55

You've already been told to contact women's aid.
I can't imagine letting my dc witness this. Maybe your childhood has conditioned you?y df was abusive but no way would I let my dc witness this.

Endofyear · 06/12/2025 12:02

No-one is going to be supportive of you staying in an abusive relationship. Leaving is hard but is it actually worse than being abused? He has ground you down so that you no longer feel confident that you could manage on your own, that is what abusers do. But you can and you will - you need to get through the difficult part which is to leave.

Your child is growing up witnessing an abusive relationship - if you need to look for motivation, think about what this is doing to them. They deserve a peaceful safe home and you can provide that if you leave. There are resources out there - you can speak to Women's Aid and the National Domestic Abuse Helpline. Good luck OP 💐

cestlavielife · 06/12/2025 12:07

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 09:54

But part of my just wants him to see the error of his way and for us to live happily every after which I know isn't going to happen

Im not worried he's going to properly hurt me or worse purely because of his own self preservation. He'll break things and shout but he won't do something that will get him into real trouble. He does come close to losing it sometimes and I'm not the kind of person who shuts up because I'm told to.

Naive thinking.
Just takes a fist smashing you or your child.eg child gets in way unexpectedly
You are a professional. Rent a small flat.
Move out with your child.
Report to police his violence arm grabbing

BuckChuckets · 06/12/2025 12:26

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 10:50

I think I'm looking for support as I feel a bit shit

i dont feel great anyway as I have severe PMT but this is not a great start to the day...

And people are supporting you by saying this is not ok for you to be living with, and it's not ok if r your children to be living with. What support do you need to take the next step?

ProfessorInkling · 06/12/2025 12:59

Leaving is hard, staying is harder.

At least find out what your options are - you say he would not leave. Okay, so what is your position, financially? Do you own the house? Do you work? Have you checked to see what your benefit entitlement would be if you left?

Arm yourself with some knowledge. It won't happen overnight, but then suddenly it will, you will have had enough and you will be ready.

You said it yourself - 'it never really gets better' - no, it doesn't. Abusers up their game when they think there is a chance of losing control, and the risk to your safety only increases.

Mumsnet will always be here but we, no one, can tell you it will be okay in the long run to stay in an unhappy and abusive relationship. That would be colluding with him to tell you it's not that bad. It is that bad and you deserve better.

Keep talking, keep processing it, keep working it out in your mind.

But don't kid yourself that there is a happy ending by staying where you are.

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 13:43

dairydebris · 06/12/2025 10:57

Fgs.

If you have a daughter would you be happy for her to be treated this way? Because you're literally saying to her- this is how a man treats a woman and it is acceptable.

If you have a son, would you be happy that he was treating his wife this way? Because you are teaching him, this is how women deserve to be treated.

Leave. You're fucking up your children's future relationships. Dig deep, if not for yourself, for your kids.

That's so fucking helpful - thanks for your emotionally intelligent response

I had a daughter but she died and of course I would encourage her to leave but I I wouldn't simply repeat the same thing at her if she said she didn't feel she could...

OP posts:
NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 13:43

Bayroot1 · 06/12/2025 11:55

You've already been told to contact women's aid.
I can't imagine letting my dc witness this. Maybe your childhood has conditioned you?y df was abusive but no way would I let my dc witness this.

Yes possibly as there was a lot of this when I was a kid and I think I turned out "fine"!

OP posts:
NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 13:44

BuckChuckets · 06/12/2025 12:26

And people are supporting you by saying this is not ok for you to be living with, and it's not ok if r your children to be living with. What support do you need to take the next step?

I don't know. I guess maybe someone who has been in then position and felt they couldn't leave but they did and knowing how they got to that point? It's hard to move past that feeling.

OP posts:
NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 13:45

He's back. He'll accept he "overreacted" but if I can't accept my part in it then how will we move forward... 🙃

OP posts:
summitfever · 06/12/2025 13:46

But you’re not “fine” op as you’ve married a carbon copy of your dad and your dc will do the same unless you break the chain.

summitfever · 06/12/2025 13:48

And how I got to that point was when his outbursts were no longer contained and me and my two young girls were cowering in a room while he went around the rest of the house smashing things up and growling like a rabid animal. Things escalated to this from what you describe over a number of years.

Hercisback1 · 06/12/2025 13:50

summitfever · 06/12/2025 13:46

But you’re not “fine” op as you’ve married a carbon copy of your dad and your dc will do the same unless you break the chain.

This

dairydebris · 06/12/2025 14:02

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 13:43

That's so fucking helpful - thanks for your emotionally intelligent response

I had a daughter but she died and of course I would encourage her to leave but I I wouldn't simply repeat the same thing at her if she said she didn't feel she could...

You're very welcome. Its your choice, your life, your kids witnessing this. Hopefully you can free yourselves soon. Whats the point of posting though- to just get everyone to back up your choice to stay? I wouldn't back anyone's choice to stay in this situation.

Runlikesomeoneleftgateopen · 06/12/2025 14:03

Only you can change this situation.
You can complain about your husband until the cows come home, nothing will change.
He has shown you it's never going to get better, he isn't capable.
In ten years time you will still be in exact mess you are now if all you do is moan.
Take action, ring Women's Aid, they will advise and support you.
Think New year, new start, commit and follow through. One step at a time
Your future self will thank this courageous version of you.
Life is too short for regrets.

Andsoitbeganagain · 06/12/2025 14:07

I used to think I'd been really unlucky in my choice of husband but the more I see here I'm beginning to believe all men are leeches. Some hide it better or for longer than others but it's there.

Boopydoo · 06/12/2025 14:13

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 13:45

He's back. He'll accept he "overreacted" but if I can't accept my part in it then how will we move forward... 🙃

And your plans for this evening are back on then?

Seriously, your posts are painfully familiar, it feels like it could be me writing them back in the 2000's ish.
Women tend to try and leave several times but end up going back several times too, it is hard. Womens aid will help you process your thoughts, they are a great starting point. Maybe you aren't ready yet, but you will be, something will tip you over the edge and make up your mind that enough is enough.

Donttellempike · 06/12/2025 14:13

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 09:15

I've posted before under different names he tso I know most of you will think being in this position is my own fault. I don't know why, even knowing my H is a narcissist is abused and narcissistic, and knowing he mostly makes my life harder and more stressful, I still don't feel compelled to leave. I have some ND if that makes a difference but I'm a very intelligent and strong women otherwise (or so I thought!). I have a senior professional job and I stand up for myself.

At home, I feel bullied a lot of the time. Not all the time, but generally any time my H's mood takes it or if he doesn't get his own way, things are not good. He doesn't hit me. He has physically hurt me in the past but always small things he could answer away. He'll push past me, he'll grab something out of my hand, he grabbed me and shouted in my face once. I told my mum and his but surprisingly they didn't think it was a big deal. He's very calm and charming in front of them and I sound like I'm exaggerating.

He talks at me. He'll tell me all the ways I'm wrong or have a go at me but won't let me answer. Won't pause. Will ask a question but carry on talking. If I say something to him he doesn't like, which could be as simple as asking him to pick up his clothes that are thrown around our home office and if he doesn't like what I'm saying he walks out of the room, shouts or hides under the duvet. I don't have to be having a go for him to do that, he just can't take any sort of criticism, or what he sees as criticism.

Last night I said the DC (reception age) could sleep in our bed and usually he doesn't mind too much as he tends to like sleeping alone anyway so will go in the other room. This morning he was in the next room and the DC and I were having cuddles and watching TV in bed. I called DH to come in and cuddle with us. I called a few times as he didn't answer. Fine. An hour later he came bounding into the bedroom shouting about how he doesn't like being called from another room or downstairs and I could have woken him up if he'd been asleep (he admitted he wasnt) and he was concentrating on the game he was playing (he plays this game on his phone before work, during the day, after work, in bed... and it takes priority over everything else) and I said but I didn't wake you and we were just calling you for a hug. He was still angry and properly shouting, imitating me calling him and shouting really loudly. He then came to get in the bed and threw my DC toys across the room onto the floor so they started crying. He then lay in the bed next to us and carried on shouting and being angry.

I started recording him as he got angry. He reached over and then grabbed my arm like he wanted to break it. I said something and he let go but replied saying he'd wanted to break my arm. I have this on recording. I then said I'd call the police and at this point he left, which is probably for the best. He'd said earlier he wouldn't be back tonight which is fine, he's better off gone.

We share a car so he's taken my car. I'm supposed to be going to a party tonight and I've paid £40 for a ticket. He won't be here to look after DC and I won't have the car or car seat to take them to my parents. I still feel relieved he's gone!

I have very bad PMT so worried about how I'll get through the day but I'll do it...

Just leave. Your child is seeing all this.

Donttellempike · 06/12/2025 14:15

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 13:44

I don't know. I guess maybe someone who has been in then position and felt they couldn't leave but they did and knowing how they got to that point? It's hard to move past that feeling.

I got past it because my child was suicidal. Do you want that ? If not get out now.

dragonballet · 06/12/2025 14:24

Op, what would you like to happen?

From reading your posts, I think your first preference would be that his behaviour changes?

If that wasn't possible, what would be your second preference?

ProfessorInkling · 06/12/2025 14:26

There's no need to bash the OP, well done to anyone who spotted abuse the second it started but the reality is that it makes you doubt yourself, you question every thought you have when someone is constantly undermining, insulting, bullying. They want you weak, and stuck. So you end up weak, and stuck. Shame doesn't help women to leave.

JasmineTea11 · 06/12/2025 14:27

I'm really sorry OP, but this all amounts to a serious level of abuse. He is maliciously intimidating you and deliberately undermining your self value and self belief. I know it's all very difficult from a practical point of view, but you only have one life, your DC have only one childhood, and you're all.living in a toxic environment. I have deep sympathy having experienced this.
There is only one option here, and that is to seek out anyone in real life you can discuss with, to get perspective and support, which you really need. And, start thinking and planning how, in practice you and DC can live apart from him. This is absolutely your only chance of happiness.

dairydebris · 06/12/2025 14:27

ProfessorInkling · 06/12/2025 14:26

There's no need to bash the OP, well done to anyone who spotted abuse the second it started but the reality is that it makes you doubt yourself, you question every thought you have when someone is constantly undermining, insulting, bullying. They want you weak, and stuck. So you end up weak, and stuck. Shame doesn't help women to leave.

What does help women to leave?

Donttellempike · 06/12/2025 14:32

dairydebris · 06/12/2025 14:27

What does help women to leave?

Reading messages on here from women in similar situations helped me leave. Well, not leave but call the police when he assaulted me.

Realizing it was not just me and that he was following a well worn path.

It made a huge difference because my parents were useless, and by then I had pretty much lost all my friends.

Life is great now, he had turned me into a shell of myself. And my children saw far too much. But so glad he’s history

JasmineTea11 · 06/12/2025 14:35

NotThisAgainPart74 · 06/12/2025 13:45

He's back. He'll accept he "overreacted" but if I can't accept my part in it then how will we move forward... 🙃

This is all part of his manipulation of you. Making you feel relieved / grateful he's back, making you feel ashamed of your behaviour, when he goaded you into it.
My ex goaded me into behaviour that I have never replicated ever. It wasn't me, but I felt ashamed and stated to wonder if he was right about "my role" in it. It's all part of messing with your head,making you pliable and weak. Please do not fall for this.
Go out tonight, you deserve some pleasure in life and space away from him. But you know, it's only a matter of time until he kicks off again.
That's the cycle of abuse, and no, it doesn't get any better. In fact, vast majority of the time, it gets significantly worse.

ProfessorInkling · 06/12/2025 14:42

dairydebris · 06/12/2025 14:27

What does help women to leave?

Support, validation. Options. Money.

It is frustrating when it looks so simple and obvious but I know what it's like to tell everyone the worst of a man and then want to minimise it all immediately after. He's not that bad, maybe he didn't mean it, and sometimes you are just TIRED and cannot think beyond the next five minutes.

Abusers sap your strength but that can come back.