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Please help marriage is falling apart

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HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 00:40

I'm sobbing posting this because I can't believe we've stooped this low that I'm posting a Mumsnet thread about my marriage... But you have all been so helpful in the past and I don't really know where else to turn right now...

DH has just gone up to bed with that calm apathy thats worse than being angry tbh, having told me he's "sick of living in this shit relationship" and can't understand why he ever married me ...

I don't know what's going on just now, I recently found out I probably have ADHD. I'm not just jumping on the band wagon, if you don't understand the condition then be grateful is all I can say... It's wrecked my life to date and for some reason I thought I'd found someone that finally seemed to understand and care about me just as I was... Then the longer we've lived together things have just gone from paradise to crappy to absolutely horrendous... We have 2 little kids and this week he told me that's the only reason he's not walking out right now

Tonight I just had a random spurt of energy and said I'll just quickly sort out the kitchen (just the essentials, it's a shit tip just now) and come up after that, and he just suddenly went off on one about how weird I am and he wishes he married someone who "runs on the same time zones" as he does, and he's sick of me lying awake all night while I don't do anything all day and and and... It all just spiralled into another massive argument...

Please be kind I'm freaking out right now

We keep getting up every morning and saying we'll do better then we never do and I don't know where to go from here, seriously I'm open to practical advice, I love him so much if we could have an eternal honeymoon we'd be happy but somehow we just can't cope with the demands of adult life together 😢

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CamillaMcCauley · 06/12/2025 00:42

What are the main problems in the relationship?

HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 00:54

Thanks for replying the middle of the night x

I'm just now learning that the kind of extreme emotional rollercoaster I've always lived on isn't actually very normal ... And is very hard to live with 😞 I do accept that. He's said the mood swings are the hardest thing.

But also he is utterly unsympathetic about everything. He's the loveliest guy until I have any kind of emotion about anything and then suddenly he's all sergeant major and 'common sense' and 'whats the point of crying, that won't fix anything' ...

He has this strict black and white idea of how the world should be, and has strived and strived to fit me into a box, and now I've finally started to get answers with an ADHD diagnosis, he's very withdrawn and seems to be struggling to accept, I don't know really. I've hardly said anything about it, it's just something I'm wondering about, but I'm starting to see what a burden I've been on the relationship... But ever since I mentioned it he's changed

Other than that it's just everything and nothing, we're so similar in some ways yet argue about everything and anything tbh. I don't really understand what's going on. If we had the money I'd book us into a counsellor or something, if he'd come.

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CamillaMcCauley · 06/12/2025 01:14

That sounds really tough on all involved. As it happens I am pretty sure my boyfriend is undiagnosed ADHD so to be honest I can find some sympathy for your DH. My BF is lovely in so many ways, very loving, makes me laugh, great in bed, intelligent and we can have great chats but even living apart with no shared children, his disorganization, mood swings and opposite-hours schedule lead me to despair at times.

I think your approach does need to be some kind of serious determination to learn about and manage your ADHD (one of my BF’s positive qualities is that when I tell him he’s spiraling and needs to take things down a level, he can actually see and agree with this) paired with counseling because your DH has to be committed to understanding and working with you too. Just saying you need to do better every week isn’t going to fix a thing unless you both actually take clear steps to change things.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 06/12/2025 01:23

Honestly, if someone told me all the things you've said your dh has said to you my reply would be: Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
@HowTheHellDidWeGetHere He has nothing but contempt for you. There is no respect or compassion.
Please continue to seek answers and help for your mental health while you plan to exit the marriage.

Ruralretreating · 06/12/2025 01:33

I have recently been diagnosed with ADHD, medication has been incredibly helpful - interaction with perimenopause and untreated ADHD caused huge mood swings. Also learning about ADHD as a pp said important, for you both. There’s a book called Dirty Laundry by Pink and Emery which my husband found helpful.

HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 01:36

Yeah he has contempt that's the thing. If he'd sat me down, even years ago, and said "look I'm sorry for getting mad last night, it really pisses me off when you XYZ, seriously can we do something about this..." then I would have happily talked about it but he never talks, never shows any emotion, never has brought up a single ADHD related symptom (I'm fully aware it must be a nightmare to live with 😢), just sweeps everything under the carpet and ignores me basically.

Only everything used to be so brilliant ... I didn't even want to go out with him at first but my friends were all like omg you're SO similar, and he's cute and all, you should give it a go... Then when we were dating our mum's used to say we were like twins, so similar and inseparable... I just don't know what's happened, it's like we talk a different language now. Even if we try to discuss our arguments after and make up, it turns into another argument about who actually said what... 🥴

I'm so angry tonight, I just reached a raw point idk, I just decided to text him everything I was feeling, all the stuff I don't usually dare to say. Maybe I'll look at it tomorrow and think 'bloody hell I was drunk' but maybe it will be the catalyst we need. I'm not remotely bothered about being in danger or anything, it's not like that. im just sick of having the same conversations over and over.

Sorry I'm rambling now aren't I...

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HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 01:38

CamillaMcCauley · 06/12/2025 01:14

That sounds really tough on all involved. As it happens I am pretty sure my boyfriend is undiagnosed ADHD so to be honest I can find some sympathy for your DH. My BF is lovely in so many ways, very loving, makes me laugh, great in bed, intelligent and we can have great chats but even living apart with no shared children, his disorganization, mood swings and opposite-hours schedule lead me to despair at times.

I think your approach does need to be some kind of serious determination to learn about and manage your ADHD (one of my BF’s positive qualities is that when I tell him he’s spiraling and needs to take things down a level, he can actually see and agree with this) paired with counseling because your DH has to be committed to understanding and working with you too. Just saying you need to do better every week isn’t going to fix a thing unless you both actually take clear steps to change things.

And yes btw I am so humbled by it all and have apologised to him and said how I realise what a struggle it must have been all these years and he says No no you're amazing you don't have anything to apologise for... And then after a couple of drinks he comes out with all this stuff about leaving, time after time after time

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HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 01:42

Ruralretreating · 06/12/2025 01:33

I have recently been diagnosed with ADHD, medication has been incredibly helpful - interaction with perimenopause and untreated ADHD caused huge mood swings. Also learning about ADHD as a pp said important, for you both. There’s a book called Dirty Laundry by Pink and Emery which my husband found helpful.

Thank you. We are very much in the learning stage. Rich & Rox (Pink & Emery) are amazing, the books and the YouTube etc. DH doesn't appear to be interested in any of it.

Tbh, for anyone that's seen their videos we are so like Rich and Rox it freaks me out. I suspect DH may be autistic too although like Rich I don't really know if he would benefit from diagnosis particularly. But the black and white detailed thinking and blanking of emotions doesn't seem normal to me.

I just don't know what to fucking actually DO 😭

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HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 01:43

Ruralretreating · 06/12/2025 01:33

I have recently been diagnosed with ADHD, medication has been incredibly helpful - interaction with perimenopause and untreated ADHD caused huge mood swings. Also learning about ADHD as a pp said important, for you both. There’s a book called Dirty Laundry by Pink and Emery which my husband found helpful.

Sorry I meant to say I'm awaiting official diagnosis and therefore medication. Everything fits tho.

Also I'm a very middle class privileged version of Rox 😆 Not similar in a lot of ways but to listen to her talking, she is me

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StruggleFlourish · 06/12/2025 02:05

So you've recently been diagnosed ADHD but you don't have any medication yet but when you get medication you'll consider going on it to help regulate your energy ebbs and flows.

So, you've always been this way, ups and downs, and without an actual diagnosis, probably people who knew you just considered you to be "a bit quirky?" A little bit odd perhaps but that's just "howthehelldidwegethere's" personality.

But now that you're actually diagnosed he's being a lot tougher with you? A lot less accepting? Is that what you think? Would it be like someone who has known hunger related mood swings, someone who when they don't eat for a while is known to get exceptionally hangry, and everyone knows it and it's always been a way, something you may be joke a little bit about but you also just know that's the way they are and you accept it but then you find out that they're actually diabetic with fluctuating blood sugars, not just grumpy when they don't eat, and now all of a sudden it's a medical diagnostic illness something that has a term something that has a set of actions and consequences and doctors and medications and all the rest instead of just being the way that you are.... Could that be something that's freaking out your partner as well?
That you're not just quirky, but that you have an actual mental health condition and he's not sure how to deal with this?

You say that when you show any type of emotion he gets very shut down / black and white. Could it be that he's trying not to aggravate your emotional state, trying not to feed the fire so to speak, I know people who get extremely worked up about things, they get really really upset really really excited really really aggravated etc, and their loved ones react by becoming cold as ice, unemotional like a robot. They do their best to keep their own reactions and emotions to an absolute minimum to avoid feeding their extremely emotive family member. Could that be possibly what he's doing? Trying to balance your excessive emotional state by providing a extremely neutral emotional state so that the two kind of equalize?

I'm just wondering what might be going through his head. If he's in denial that you actually have a psychological condition? If he's wondering what this will mean for future? If he's wondering if this will turn into something worse? If he's wondering that the kids might end up a few years down the right line being diagnosed with some type of emotional regulatory condition or neurodiversity issue? If he's wondering what the future will be like with you and whether or not he'll be able to cope? I'm not saying any of this is your fault of course, just some people can't deal with anything out of the usual happening with their partner.

I've known people that when they've gotten a serious medical news, their partner split. At the worst possible time, when they completely needed to have support in their life, their partner of many years just up and left. So incredibly selfish, so incredibly inconsiderate, but their way of protecting themselves, so they don't have to be around the pain of seeing their loved one suffer. Yeah I know that's really selfish and I don't excuse it either, but it's a thing that happens. Could it be that your partners thinking about this?

I don't know. And I don't know what to say to you and I hope that you're not still awake, but you might be. And, it sounds like you guys really need to communicate, but that might be easier said than done. Relationships can change, people can fall out of love, but people also can strengthen their relationship through different types of adversity. I don't feel that an ADHD diagnosis is the world's worst thing to happen compared to all the other horrible things in the world that can happen, and I really hope that if that's the main problem, that you guys can work your way through this.

I think both of you are going to have to work on finding ways not to trigger each other, that whatever it is that you're doing that he finds annoying, he's got to find a way to let It Go, or, you might be able to find a way to modify your behavior around him. Like all things, a good relationship is based on communication, mutual respect, empathy, and a desire to work together. I really hope that you can find this.

HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 04:31

StruggleFlourish · 06/12/2025 02:05

So you've recently been diagnosed ADHD but you don't have any medication yet but when you get medication you'll consider going on it to help regulate your energy ebbs and flows.

So, you've always been this way, ups and downs, and without an actual diagnosis, probably people who knew you just considered you to be "a bit quirky?" A little bit odd perhaps but that's just "howthehelldidwegethere's" personality.

But now that you're actually diagnosed he's being a lot tougher with you? A lot less accepting? Is that what you think? Would it be like someone who has known hunger related mood swings, someone who when they don't eat for a while is known to get exceptionally hangry, and everyone knows it and it's always been a way, something you may be joke a little bit about but you also just know that's the way they are and you accept it but then you find out that they're actually diabetic with fluctuating blood sugars, not just grumpy when they don't eat, and now all of a sudden it's a medical diagnostic illness something that has a term something that has a set of actions and consequences and doctors and medications and all the rest instead of just being the way that you are.... Could that be something that's freaking out your partner as well?
That you're not just quirky, but that you have an actual mental health condition and he's not sure how to deal with this?

You say that when you show any type of emotion he gets very shut down / black and white. Could it be that he's trying not to aggravate your emotional state, trying not to feed the fire so to speak, I know people who get extremely worked up about things, they get really really upset really really excited really really aggravated etc, and their loved ones react by becoming cold as ice, unemotional like a robot. They do their best to keep their own reactions and emotions to an absolute minimum to avoid feeding their extremely emotive family member. Could that be possibly what he's doing? Trying to balance your excessive emotional state by providing a extremely neutral emotional state so that the two kind of equalize?

I'm just wondering what might be going through his head. If he's in denial that you actually have a psychological condition? If he's wondering what this will mean for future? If he's wondering if this will turn into something worse? If he's wondering that the kids might end up a few years down the right line being diagnosed with some type of emotional regulatory condition or neurodiversity issue? If he's wondering what the future will be like with you and whether or not he'll be able to cope? I'm not saying any of this is your fault of course, just some people can't deal with anything out of the usual happening with their partner.

I've known people that when they've gotten a serious medical news, their partner split. At the worst possible time, when they completely needed to have support in their life, their partner of many years just up and left. So incredibly selfish, so incredibly inconsiderate, but their way of protecting themselves, so they don't have to be around the pain of seeing their loved one suffer. Yeah I know that's really selfish and I don't excuse it either, but it's a thing that happens. Could it be that your partners thinking about this?

I don't know. And I don't know what to say to you and I hope that you're not still awake, but you might be. And, it sounds like you guys really need to communicate, but that might be easier said than done. Relationships can change, people can fall out of love, but people also can strengthen their relationship through different types of adversity. I don't feel that an ADHD diagnosis is the world's worst thing to happen compared to all the other horrible things in the world that can happen, and I really hope that if that's the main problem, that you guys can work your way through this.

I think both of you are going to have to work on finding ways not to trigger each other, that whatever it is that you're doing that he finds annoying, he's got to find a way to let It Go, or, you might be able to find a way to modify your behavior around him. Like all things, a good relationship is based on communication, mutual respect, empathy, and a desire to work together. I really hope that you can find this.

Yes I dozed off for a while. Thanks for your message. I'm going to re-read it a few times. That sounds like it could be incredibly accurate. He keeps making what I see as quite snidey strange comments about the kids too along the lines of "oh great they've probably got ADHD too"

And he told me once a few weeks ago in probably the only sensible conversation we've managed to have about it all that 'hes always hated people like this' [emotional, sensitive, chaotic, disorganised] and basically just shook his head as if he just couldn't wrap his head around the fact he is married to someone 'like this' ... I think there is something of his own reputation at stake maybe or something I honestly don't really understand it?? So it's really interesting what you say...

He just won't talk though it's really hard and I don't want to always be the one starting conversations about it and going on and on iykwim....

I guess the idea of an official diagnosis has (understandably) sent us on very different emotional paths ... But we just seem to have lost all affinity or ability to communicate along the way 😢

The crazy thing is we sort of still are in love underneath it all I think, it's just like it's become too much strain to bear so we've had to go our separate ways, to 'grieve' almost, which honestly is ridiculous, it's not a cancer diagnosis for pitys sake, with medication and some teamwork and lifestyle changes there's no reason I couldn't be basically 'fixed' ... I don't know, I don't understand what's going on really...

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ACynicalDad · 06/12/2025 04:39

Would he run a mile at the thought of counselling? I think that and maybe meds for ADHD would be the next step. The issue is staying together long enough for those to kick in.

HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 04:45

ACynicalDad · 06/12/2025 04:39

Would he run a mile at the thought of counselling? I think that and maybe meds for ADHD would be the next step. The issue is staying together long enough for those to kick in.

I honestly don't know. I agree meds will help, I'm pursuing official diagnosis as fast as possible with a view to taking medication. I haven't dared to suggest counselling tbh, but maybe I'd be surprised. Exactly, your last sentence is what scares me.

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SomewhatAnnoyed · 06/12/2025 04:45

He’s probably changed bc there is a possible reason (in his mind excuse) for you being the way you are. It’s not just you being a bit weird, lazy or ditzy. It’s real. If you get a diagnosis he has got to accept that this is actually a thing and something he can’t just ‘put into a box’.

He may be worried you’ll use it as an ‘excuse’ and will no longer allow him to put you into a box, so he loses what little control he feels he has. Some ppl don’t cope with any form of MH or ND affecting them or ppl they know as they feel it has a stigma attached, or they fear what they don’t understand. He might not want you to have that label.

unlikelychump · 06/12/2025 04:47

Very interesting thread so sorry you ard going through this op.

Im sorry to say I am your dh in this scenario, dvdn to thd bit where my dh tried to pass me off as autistic. Our children have autism/adhd which has bit quite a lot to deal with,and dh hasnt managed too well. It turns pit he has been masking forever, and those "quirks' were the tip of the iceberg. It is all coming out now, he hasn't been interested in pursuing a diagnosis (or talking about it) but he has been in a burnout situation for about a year now.

I am your husband. I get stiller the more chaotic he is, and I am frustrated by the crazy. Im also frustrated that he has no real interest in understanding his situation, making change etc. I reead books, the Internet,take advice from people etc. He just plays football manager.... and let's his moods out as he sees fit.

Im up to my ears in keeping it all together but I know I am not as warm as he would like. Im not thinking of leaving him though and coulx be warm. Indeed I am if he makes an effort.

Ive just read the book "let them" which was good and quite useful.

I feel for you op.

PumpkinTwistyWindToots · 06/12/2025 05:11

I'm not seeing the way you were so similar like twins and now you're saying he's autistic and basically despises people who are chaotic and emotional like you. Were you masking big time and mirroring him when you got together?
I am NT with a diagnosed ADHD husband, and an undiagnosed ADHD ex husband (I have a type!) sadly my first marriage couldn't survive and wouldn't have done even if I'd have understood ADHD at the time. I think the addition of a baby to a relationship like that is always a massive strain. The things that attract us to the ADHDer in the first place become unbearable when you're trying to care for a child and run a home. I adore my DH but I know I would fall out of love with him if we ever had a baby (too late for us thankfully)
I know this sounds fairly gloomy for your situation but you don't sound on the same page at all. He sounds contemptuous of neurodivergence in general.

Ruralretreating · 06/12/2025 09:01

OP, glad you already discovered Rich & Rox. My husband sent me the video where she gets off at her usual station and he’s waiting to collect her at the other one saying “it’s you!” 😂.
I found it was a combination of children and menopause that really showed my ADHD to its full extent. A little like a pp said, the constant lateness (time blindness it turns out!), disorganisation were the tip of the iceberg and much more manageable when it was me, or me & DH. Also, I shifted into a different career path where demands fly in from all sides, across multiple subjects rather than from 5 people on one topic. What I’m wondering is whether it also just didn’t show up to your DH earlier, and he could live the quirks but not the chronic version.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 06/12/2025 09:06

Are you 'so similar' because he is also on the spectrum? I have ADHD and always seem to be a magnet for ASD men, Most recent partner had never had a diagnosis but once we started on a relationship it was hugely obvious that he was on the spectrum (he subsequently got a diagnosis and was shocked at how high his levels of need were. It had literally never occurred to him that everyone wasn't exactly the same as him.)

Might it be worth broaching the subject with him? I know I can be difficult to live with and am now single by choice because my lifestyle does not lend itself to being part of a couple, but it's easier for me because my children are all adults.

HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 13:51

Thank you for the replies, they have been very enlightening. Thanks to those that have given me a bit of insight into DH viewpoint. Lots to potentially unpack....

Ways in which we were/are similar... we were strangers when we met but had freakily identical tastes and hobbies, which still applies, we do everything together because we genuinely have the same hobbies and interests. Unusual niche interests too. We both seemed super organised and 'driven', and quite geeky about it tbh, but in hindsight that actually that was me desperately masking and trying so so hard not to drop any balls 🤦🏽‍♀️ We were both also extremely easygoing to the point of being almost indecisive, again I now see this isn't really me at all, but I've been bullied and put down all my life for being "too much" so at some point kind of decided not to care about anything...

We both were very blunt and kind of disparaging of social norms ... Our wedding was extremely simple and just a great laugh for example.

Oh my goodness would you listen to me listing all the ND traits as ways we bonded.🤣 My head's spinning right now...

And as pp have said none of these things are sustainable in the demands of everyday life with little kids.... I was battling when it was just me, it got a bit harder with 2 of us in the equation. Then for some reason we had 2 kids🤦🏽‍♀️ and things have just fallen apart.

I do think that he is maybe triggered by being attached to anything to do with 'mental health', his family and his close friends are very.... judgemental tbh. Great people but definitely quite passionate about a certain image. He comes from an all male family with a mildly traumatic childhood where crying is the ultimate sin. He does talk about deep stuff to his closest 2 friends, they are quite a lovely geeky bunch in some ways but definitely also loud party animals, to consider ASD would be a huge deal for him. If anyone's watched Rich Pink's recent podcasts digging into the potential autism he is SO like my dh. I feel like there's a part of him he's just blocking off somehow..... Often coming home from socialising he's extremely grumpy and exhausted.

I'd like us to get counselling but think we are in such survival mode right now we wouldn't even be able to put the work in, until I have an official diagnosis and meds , and the kids are slightly older, and we can actually focus on unpacking all this

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HowTheHellDidWeGetHere · 06/12/2025 13:53

He sent some equally stormy text messages back in response to mine and we have FINALLY talked and talked and talked this morning and I think we are sort of on the same page... He doesn't actually want to walk out and we've both committed to not doing anything rash until I at least am on medication and then see how much that improves things... Think we both feel slightly more seen although I feel like we've only just scratched the surface

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