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MIL - no relationship

18 replies

Outnumbered1983 · 10/11/2025 16:14

I don’t have a relationship with MIL, it’s a long story, sorry!

DH and I have been together for 15yrs. DH was more or less brought up by his grandparents, his DM & DF were unreliable and had a turbulent relationship, both had affairs (DH actually walked into the bedroom to find his mum, naked and straddled another man when he was around 9yrs old). His DM had an explosive temper along with a life and soul of the party type personality. He lived with his grandparents from 10yrs old and they were his only stability as a child.

when we got together, MIL lived 200miles away from us (having moved to London after an affair with FIL’s best friend). When DH moved in with me, MIL would message me at 3pm on a Fri afternoon and announce she was coming to stay for the weekend, I opened my house to her and never complained at the short notice or having her stay. She was nice enough in the beginning but always had to be the centre of attention. I am quiet and sometimes shy/self conscious so she totally overpowered and overwhelmed me. The relationship between us started to sour as I felt put on after a while of unplanned and last minute visits where she treated my house like a B&B, it was unsettling for my children and meant that our plans were constantly messed about. Things came to a head when DH’s family member got married abroad and we attended the wedding. The journey over there was awful, MIL kicked off with her then boyfriend on the plane, carried on arguing and punched him on the coach transfer, then screamed at him all night long at the hotel, we were in the room next door. I was nervous of seeing her the following day for good reason - all DH’s family were discussing what had happened at the poolside, MIL stormed out and immediately starting picking people off one by one to have a go at. She pointed at me after a few others so I stood up, picked up DSD (age 5) and went to walk off so DSD didn’t need to see her grandma behaving like that. MIL stormed after me, grabbed my shoulder and hit me. I was so shocked, I was holding her grandchild and hadn’t said anything with the rest of the family. It was so unexpected that tears sprang me my eyes and I carried on walking straight to the hotel room with DSD. DH followed. MIL then went on to ring me for the rest of the day and night, leaving vile voicemails calling me all the names under the sun, some really awful and hurtful things. She was completely unhinged. She also did this with DH. No other family members stuck up for us, it was a case of ‘that’s just what she’s like so keep your head down.

So, fast forward 12 years. The relationship has never recovered. MIL never acknowledged that she did anything wrong in the slightest and we have had very little communication or contact with each other. DH has maintained a basic relationship with her, she rings him every so often and he goes to visit her if he visits family members - I have never been invited to her house or been asked about, almost to the point where it feels like I don’t exist to her anymore. I have however, continued to buy her birthday, Mother’s Day, Christmas presents - until this year. I’ve decided that I need to protect myself and my energy, and from now on only put time and effort into people who would do the same for me. I discussed it with DH and he was in agreement, I told him he would need to take over buying her gifts if he wanted to give her something. He hasn’t. I’ve now heard on the family grapevine that this has caused her to start up her hatred of me once more as she didn’t get a Mother’s Day or birthday gift.

DH doesn’t stand up for me where MIL is concerned, I think he’s scared of her, which I think is understandable when he tells me things from his childhood.

do I go back to buying presents to keep the peace for DH, or stick to my boundaries and not waste time or thought on her.

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ThatNaiceMember · 10/11/2025 16:16

No, you don't. I'm amazed you continued so long! I don't know what else to say really obviously it sounds like your husband would be better off with no interaction with her either but I understand that's not always easy. You can have no interaction at all though and by no gifts and do nothing and I think that's exactly what you should do.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/11/2025 16:26

No do not buy her presents and that is something you should never have done in the first place. Your boundaries here have been very weak and she has capitalised upon that weakness to her advantage. You owe her nothing let alone a relationship here. Trying to appease abusive people as well never works. All this do not rock the boat stuff - better to throw her overboard.

It's not your fault she is like this and neither you nor her son your H made her that way. Her own family did that to her.

She lives many miles away from you anyway so what can she really do other than fume to relatives who are likely sick to death of her as well. However, anyone who takes her side (these people are called flying monkeys) and starts on at you re gifts etc need to be ignored as they do not have your interests at heart. You need to put far more mental distance in now between you and his toxic mother.

If he wants to see his mother that is up to him but that does not mean you and the kids have to do so. Your H needs therapy re his mother like yesterday frankly because he is mired in fear, obligation and guilt. Those three keep him trapped.

I would read Toxic Inlaws by Susan Forward. He should read Toxic Parents by the same author.

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 10/11/2025 16:27

Wow. The day she hit you should have been the end of your relationship with her.
Don't give her another second of time, headspace or thought. 💐

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/11/2025 16:28

Your DH cannot and should not be using you as some sort of buffer here. I can well understand why he is afraid of her but using you in this way is not acceptable.

And stop interacting with or otherwise listening to the family grapevine. Cut yourself loose from it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/11/2025 16:28

His inertia too when it comes to his mother only serves to hurt him as much as you.

Abracadabrador · 10/11/2025 16:30

If your husband is bothered about keeping 'peace' with his scummy mother he can easily bestow her with gifts. Don't give it any thought.

Does he buy gifts for your relatives?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/11/2025 16:30

A good analogy here about rocking the boat

Don't rock the boat.
I've been thinking about this phrase a lot lately, about how unfair it is. Because we aren't the ones rocking the boat. It's the crazy lady jumping up and down and running side to side. Not the one sitting in the corner quietly not giving a fuck.
At some point in her youth, Mum/MIL gave the boat a little nudge. And look how everyone jumped to steady the boat! So she does it again, and again. Soon her family is in the habit of swaying to counteract the crazy. She moves left, they move right, balance is restored (temporarily). Life goes on. People move on to boats of their own.

The boat-rocker can't survive in a boat by herself. She's never had to face the consequences of her rocking. She'll tip over. So she finds an enabler: someone so proud of his boat-steadying skills that he secretly (or not so secretly) lives for the rocking.

The boat-rocker escalates. The boat-steadier can't manage alone, but can't let the boat tip. After all, he's the best boat-steadier ever, and that can't be true if his boat capsizes, so therefore his boat can't capsize. How can they fix the situation?

Ballast!

And the next generation of boat-steadiers is born.

A born boat-steadier doesn't know what solid ground feels like. He's so used to the constant swaying that anything else feels wrong and he'll fall over. There's a good chance the boat-rocker never taught him to swim either. He'll jump at the slightest twitch like his life depends on it, because it did .

When you're in their boat, you're expected to help steady it. When you decline, the other boat-steadiers get resentful. Look at you, just sitting there while they do all the work! They don't see that you aren't the one making the boat rock. They might not even see the life rafts available for them to get out. All they know is that the boat can't be allowed to tip, and you're not helping.

Now you and your DH get a boat of your own. With him not there, the balance of the boat changes. The remaining boat-steadiers have to work even harder.

While a rocking boat is most concerning to those inside, it does cause ripples. The nearby boats start to worry. They're getting splashed! Somebody do something!

So the flying monkeys are dispatched. Can't you and DH see how much better it is for everyone (else) if you just get back on the boat and keep it steady? It would make their lives so much easier.

You know what would be easier? If they all just chucked the bitch overboard.

Whatabouterytoutery · 10/11/2025 16:35

I think you have done pretty well extracting yourself from your MIL. Stick with the programme.

DH and I have two extremely dysfunctional family of origins but we get on great with extended family because we refuse to get into the issues with them at all. We always focus on our relationship with the person in front of us and never discuss the relationships with others. Distract and evade and divert are our rules. Then non commital I’m sorry they are finding things difficult. Just don’t pick up the rope when they offer it to you.

Eventually when they get nowhere they stop asking. I never expect them to understand the situation. People rarely understand outside their own bubble in life.

AyrshireTryer · 10/11/2025 16:46

You do not buy gifts.
If DH wants to buy gifts that's fine, if not that's fine too.
You have done nothing wrong, she is a complete and utter b£$%^.

Outnumbered1983 · 10/11/2025 17:07

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/11/2025 16:30

A good analogy here about rocking the boat

Don't rock the boat.
I've been thinking about this phrase a lot lately, about how unfair it is. Because we aren't the ones rocking the boat. It's the crazy lady jumping up and down and running side to side. Not the one sitting in the corner quietly not giving a fuck.
At some point in her youth, Mum/MIL gave the boat a little nudge. And look how everyone jumped to steady the boat! So she does it again, and again. Soon her family is in the habit of swaying to counteract the crazy. She moves left, they move right, balance is restored (temporarily). Life goes on. People move on to boats of their own.

The boat-rocker can't survive in a boat by herself. She's never had to face the consequences of her rocking. She'll tip over. So she finds an enabler: someone so proud of his boat-steadying skills that he secretly (or not so secretly) lives for the rocking.

The boat-rocker escalates. The boat-steadier can't manage alone, but can't let the boat tip. After all, he's the best boat-steadier ever, and that can't be true if his boat capsizes, so therefore his boat can't capsize. How can they fix the situation?

Ballast!

And the next generation of boat-steadiers is born.

A born boat-steadier doesn't know what solid ground feels like. He's so used to the constant swaying that anything else feels wrong and he'll fall over. There's a good chance the boat-rocker never taught him to swim either. He'll jump at the slightest twitch like his life depends on it, because it did .

When you're in their boat, you're expected to help steady it. When you decline, the other boat-steadiers get resentful. Look at you, just sitting there while they do all the work! They don't see that you aren't the one making the boat rock. They might not even see the life rafts available for them to get out. All they know is that the boat can't be allowed to tip, and you're not helping.

Now you and your DH get a boat of your own. With him not there, the balance of the boat changes. The remaining boat-steadiers have to work even harder.

While a rocking boat is most concerning to those inside, it does cause ripples. The nearby boats start to worry. They're getting splashed! Somebody do something!

So the flying monkeys are dispatched. Can't you and DH see how much better it is for everyone (else) if you just get back on the boat and keep it steady? It would make their lives so much easier.

You know what would be easier? If they all just chucked the bitch overboard.

Love this analogy, it makes perfect sense

OP posts:
Outnumbered1983 · 10/11/2025 17:11

Abracadabrador · 10/11/2025 16:30

If your husband is bothered about keeping 'peace' with his scummy mother he can easily bestow her with gifts. Don't give it any thought.

Does he buy gifts for your relatives?

He contributes to the presents, I tend to buy them but he does put money towards them.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/11/2025 17:27

Do not buy her anything going forward. Spend that money on the kids instead.

Whereismyfleeceblanket · 10/11/2025 18:18

Waste not a penny or moment of your time...
Haven't seen my mil since January 2015...
Bliss.

LifeSurvior · 10/11/2025 19:12

Get yourself off all social media, no FB or WhatsApp family groups, ignore and block, distance yourself and don't look back.
You will feel free.
Keep the mantra not my monkeys not my circus in your head regarding his family and let the peace start.
You don't owe them anything, let your H sort it out, his family, his circus.

Hoppinggreen · 10/11/2025 19:15

I don't have a relationship with MIL, I used to but she did something awful that didn't actually affect me but made me feel very differently about her.
I am civil but leave everything MIL related to DH

Gustavo1 · 10/11/2025 19:19

I think you went above and beyond to buy these things for all of this time tbh.

If you can, close your ears to the family grapevine and step as far away as the family dynamic allows. It is sad for your DH but you can’t make up for their turbulent relationship. It’s just not your responsibility.

Moveoverdarlin · 10/11/2025 19:26

I just wouldn’t give it any thought. Pretend she’s dead. Your DH sounds like he could be mentally scarred. I wouldn’t worry that he doesn’t stick up for you. It’ll just be another row, he won’t ever get his point across to a nut job like that.

She can’t hit her daughter in law on a family holiday and expect things to ever be normal again.

Ignore. Ignore. Ignore. If other family members mention her, just say ‘We don’t mention the Irene word in our house.’

Littlejellyuk · 17/11/2025 23:05

Outnumbered1983 · 10/11/2025 17:07

Love this analogy, it makes perfect sense

Perfect analogy. 💯

It hurt me to read your posts, because she sounds like an insufferable attention seeking night mare, and you didn't deserve any of it. Who the fuck does she think she is? 😠 😡 😤
Anything to be queen been for that bitch and her dramatics 🐝
Just fucking no, it has to stop 👎

You cannot control other people's behaviour, but you can control your responses!
SO DO NOT INITIATE, OR RESPOND OR ENGAGE WITH HER AT ALL. ❌️
HAVE BOUNDARIES NOW!
We don't reward bad behaviour in my house. Nope! ❌️
We certainly don't reward nasty little bitches who have hissy fits (and physically attack people in front of their grandchildren) with mother's day gifts and christmas /birthday cards. No wonder she carries on regardless.
Nope 🙅‍♀️

You don't want your child/ren to see that shitty dynamic either, oh don't worry kids nan is a complete cow to mum, but she will still buy her nice things and reward bad behaviour, because she is old, and she is dad's family, and family is important.
NOPE, NOPE, NOPE! 👎

Your DH needs to back you up. 😠
And as for the family grapevine bollocks, I would be giving those enabling bastards a wide berth also!!!
How dare they all just sit back and not intervene when she walloped you in front of her grandchild. That is DISGUSTING behaviour from all of them involved.
They might have normalised her shitty behaviour (keep your head down tactics) but NONE of it is normal. 🤮

Protect your own peace and show your child/ren that you are not there to be treated like shit. Or else the behaviour will continue and it will be normalised. 😭

Tell your DH that he can sort her out from now on and in the future he can either invest in carers or a nursing home, because you will not be lumbered with nursing that nasty old witch, until she pops her clogs.
Fuck that.
Get some boundaries. Now! 💕

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