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Christmas, partner and ex wife

25 replies

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 09:14

Partner had a very difficult divorce 23 years ago. I've heard his side and in terms of the practicalities after it seems he got a very raw deal in terms of finances and access, however he seems like he can't let it go. I sometimes talk about my ex but I have zero anger, thought or bitterness despite him being an absolute p*k and we divorced in 2021.

Once again it's Christmas. His ex was given every Xmas day when they were little and then kept them despite arrangements agreed. Totally unacceptable and must have been difficult for him and his family. Even when they grew up, she would turn the tears on (told to me by the son) and they felt they had to be with her. There are now grandchildren involved and in the last 5 years he has not seen them over Xmas as grandma has had them or taken them to Disney world. I totally agree this is unfair and a repeat of her past behaviour and the daughter won't say no. We went for tea yesterday and he asked what was happening for Xmas and his daughter said they were having it at home just them. He started then saying how unfair it was etc which I feel was him being triggered but it led to an awkward atmosphere and on the way home he rehashed everything again. How unfair everything was etc etc. And then how my comment that it doesn't need to be on Xmas day and we can come across or them to us around the actual day was wrong. I wasn't being supportive and taking their side. I'll add that my grandchildren live in Australia, I've seen one once and the other never, so am becoming slightly less tolerant of this stance he has. I've suggested talking to someone about how he feels but that is met with an 'I don't need counselling'. Any suggestions on how to navigate this? Currently I'm just refusing to engage with him about it.

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RealReginaPhalange · 09/11/2025 09:21

Didnt want to read and run but i feel you both. It must be hard!

AtlasPine · 09/11/2025 09:26

Can you step away and refuse to engage on the topic?

Could you just state:

The children are adults and can do what they want.

Of course it wasn’t fair or right but it’s done now and he can’t change it.

Then switch off. And plan a Christmas with your overseas family as soon as possible!

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 09:29

AtlasPine · 09/11/2025 09:26

Can you step away and refuse to engage on the topic?

Could you just state:

The children are adults and can do what they want.

Of course it wasn’t fair or right but it’s done now and he can’t change it.

Then switch off. And plan a Christmas with your overseas family as soon as possible!

Yes thats what I'm doing currently as the whole thing is wearing after 5 years of it. I do feel for him but carrying that much anger isnt healthy

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Coconutter24 · 09/11/2025 09:35

We went for tea yesterday and he asked what was happening for Xmas and his daughter said they were having it at home just them. He started then saying how unfair it was etc

Instead of trying to make his daughter feel uncomfortable by complaining how unfair it all is, he could have just invited them round for a few hours one day over Christmas. If that was my dad I’d be more inclined to see him if he invited me over instead of giving me the poor me act how unfair

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 09:45

Coconutter24 · 09/11/2025 09:35

We went for tea yesterday and he asked what was happening for Xmas and his daughter said they were having it at home just them. He started then saying how unfair it was etc

Instead of trying to make his daughter feel uncomfortable by complaining how unfair it all is, he could have just invited them round for a few hours one day over Christmas. If that was my dad I’d be more inclined to see him if he invited me over instead of giving me the poor me act how unfair

I agree. He seems fixated on it being Xmas Day and only Xmas Day. The last two years they have been taken away to Disneyland by Grandma but again this is fixing on what was, not what could be but that suggestion is 'unhelpful' 🙄

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Coconutter24 · 09/11/2025 09:53

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 09:45

I agree. He seems fixated on it being Xmas Day and only Xmas Day. The last two years they have been taken away to Disneyland by Grandma but again this is fixing on what was, not what could be but that suggestion is 'unhelpful' 🙄

He needs to get over it being Christmas Day because he’ll just push them away. It sounds like it’s all coming from jealousy that his ex has taken them away. He should be happy his grandchildren get to have wonderful experiences not resent that.

FinallyHere · 09/11/2025 09:55

I really don’t want to add to your misery but there’s a reason why ‘still ranting about injuries done by ex wife’ is a red flag in a new relationship. Does he find it difficult to give up ‘injuries’ done to him in other areas?

mindutopia · 09/11/2025 09:56

Why didn’t he sort out contact though? I acknowledge that if there are grandchildren now, this was a very long time ago and the court system was not what it is today.

But the children are adults now. Adults have the free will to choose to go where they feel love and warmth and fun, especially if there are young children involved. I don’t blame them for not wanting to go to the house where the past is going to be re-hashed and they are going to feel blamed for something that was out of their control. They want fun and happiness and good memories for their own children.

He does probably need some therapy. But he also needs to start a new tradition. You all need to take on Christmas Eve or Boxing Day or New Year’s Day. Or agree you’ll take everyone away every other year in the week between Christmas and New Year, etc. Honestly, children will go where there is joy. Dh and BIL haven’t seen MIL on Christmas in probably 10 years at least. I haven’t seen my family in 6 years. There is a reason. If it was nice to be with them, we would be.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/11/2025 10:00

OP

re your comment
"His ex was given every Xmas day when they were little and then kept them despite arrangements agreed".

What arrangements?. Was such contact ever court ordered?. It also sounds like he did not go to court to contest for more access in the years after particularly if arrangements were informally made.

I would also like to hear his ex wife's side of things because I can imagine a very different version to his. As you write you've only heard his side of things and I can imagine he banging on about this even now is very wearing. He protests too much.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/11/2025 10:03

And I also note without much if any real surprise he does not want counselling. I also think there are red flags re this man mainly because he is protesting even now about his perceived poor treatment at the hands of his ex wife.

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 10:04

FinallyHere · 09/11/2025 09:55

I really don’t want to add to your misery but there’s a reason why ‘still ranting about injuries done by ex wife’ is a red flag in a new relationship. Does he find it difficult to give up ‘injuries’ done to him in other areas?

Yes. He talks about his previous career in a similar way. And where he is currently working which is ad hoc work but because he he has been there longest he gets angry when shifts are not shared fairly in his opinion. Since we moved in together I'm seeing a martyr like quality as well. Badly done to and unable to move past the past.

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FinallyHere · 09/11/2025 10:15

@Mattjack2 I’m sorry to read that moving in together has not been without its challenges.

what options do you have at this point.

I know I’m projecting here, I wish I had kept separate house houses so that we would only spend time together when we really wanted to.

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 10:16

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/11/2025 10:00

OP

re your comment
"His ex was given every Xmas day when they were little and then kept them despite arrangements agreed".

What arrangements?. Was such contact ever court ordered?. It also sounds like he did not go to court to contest for more access in the years after particularly if arrangements were informally made.

I would also like to hear his ex wife's side of things because I can imagine a very different version to his. As you write you've only heard his side of things and I can imagine he banging on about this even now is very wearing. He protests too much.

It was all court ordered. I have heard the events from a colleague of both of them who was also their neighbour, and also his family so I don't have reason to believe it was less than fair. She pushed through a below market valuation on their house to a buyer, refusing to entertain anyone elses offers. Turned out to be her dad buying it in a false name. Things like the court ordered him to do the collecting/drop offs (80 mile round trip) because she said she was not a confident driver then she proceeded to take them on a 250 mile trip on holiday the month after by car. I'm not saying he was faultless but I think if it was in todays seeing partners as equal climate, things may have been fairer. My worry is it affecting the now.

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bigboykitty · 09/11/2025 10:18

23 years ago? It's not about what happened; this is his personality. Poor me, nothing's my fault, boohoo. I couldn't indulge this nonsense at all.

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 10:22

mindutopia · 09/11/2025 09:56

Why didn’t he sort out contact though? I acknowledge that if there are grandchildren now, this was a very long time ago and the court system was not what it is today.

But the children are adults now. Adults have the free will to choose to go where they feel love and warmth and fun, especially if there are young children involved. I don’t blame them for not wanting to go to the house where the past is going to be re-hashed and they are going to feel blamed for something that was out of their control. They want fun and happiness and good memories for their own children.

He does probably need some therapy. But he also needs to start a new tradition. You all need to take on Christmas Eve or Boxing Day or New Year’s Day. Or agree you’ll take everyone away every other year in the week between Christmas and New Year, etc. Honestly, children will go where there is joy. Dh and BIL haven’t seen MIL on Christmas in probably 10 years at least. I haven’t seen my family in 6 years. There is a reason. If it was nice to be with them, we would be.

It's a conversation I've had with him quite a lot and I agree. We have a lovely home, great grandad lives up the street and the rest of the family nearby. I've suggested we now focus on when we can all get together. Our family have traditionally got together boxing day but we're all flexible enough to move that around to accommodate. Simple. Easy. We had a brilliant time for the hours before Xmas was mentioned and his grandchildren love his company. He just let's the past spoil it.

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Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 10:24

FinallyHere · 09/11/2025 10:15

@Mattjack2 I’m sorry to read that moving in together has not been without its challenges.

what options do you have at this point.

I know I’m projecting here, I wish I had kept separate house houses so that we would only spend time together when we really wanted to.

Yes thats the hindsight thing! He has a lump sum in the bank from his house sale so we could do that but I fear he would see it as a rejection rather than a great compromise!

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Abracadabrador · 09/11/2025 10:33

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 10:24

Yes thats the hindsight thing! He has a lump sum in the bank from his house sale so we could do that but I fear he would see it as a rejection rather than a great compromise!

You're focussing far too much on this petulant mans whining and fragile emotions.
You could be enjoying life, saving up to see your kid, doing whatever you want at any time.
Don't get involved in this man's tedious whinging.

Is it really in your best interests to be financially entangled with him instead of having your own property and peace?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/11/2025 10:45

I would be seriously considering if this is a man you want to remain with given his continued bitterness towards his ex wife. This is a red flag behaviour you cannot afford to miss here.

FinallyHere · 09/11/2025 11:05

Yeah, it’s never just one terrible thing that happened to him that was u fair that he just can’t shake off.

you have recognised his pattern across different areas. This is your wake up call to recognise that this is who he is, this is going to be your lot for the rest of your life with him.

Your power is to decide how much longer he and this pattern is going to be part of your life. It’s not easy but it is really, really simple.

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 11:07

FinallyHere · 09/11/2025 11:05

Yeah, it’s never just one terrible thing that happened to him that was u fair that he just can’t shake off.

you have recognised his pattern across different areas. This is your wake up call to recognise that this is who he is, this is going to be your lot for the rest of your life with him.

Your power is to decide how much longer he and this pattern is going to be part of your life. It’s not easy but it is really, really simple.

Thank you. That all resonated. Thankfully my home is my own so it is simpler than it could be.

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outerspacepotato · 09/11/2025 11:32

He's still mad because he got a bit shafted in a divorce back in 2002. Now he's mad because his daughter is having Xmas at her own home with her own family instead of travelling to his.

This guy holds a grudge something hard. His expectations are unreasonable. He's always got something to be mad about. He sounds unpleasant to be around.

This is what you've got and as he won't do counseling, he's not changing. You have to decide if you can live with an angry, bitter dude the rest of your life.

DurinsBane · 09/11/2025 11:55

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/11/2025 10:00

OP

re your comment
"His ex was given every Xmas day when they were little and then kept them despite arrangements agreed".

What arrangements?. Was such contact ever court ordered?. It also sounds like he did not go to court to contest for more access in the years after particularly if arrangements were informally made.

I would also like to hear his ex wife's side of things because I can imagine a very different version to his. As you write you've only heard his side of things and I can imagine he banging on about this even now is very wearing. He protests too much.

Court order isn’t really worth much. The resident parent can just ignore it and then get told off by the judge, but nothing will really happen to her. A judge is extremely unlikely to jail a resident parent for it even if it is repeatedly done

Redshoeblueshoe · 09/11/2025 12:14

He sounds like my XH. Miserable - he has alienated every single family member, including our 2 DC. He blames everyone for everything that has ever happened to him.
These men never acknowledge that they have done anything wrong. Things will not improve, he will just get worse. Why don't you make plans to go and visit your GC ?

Mattjack2 · 09/11/2025 17:51

Redshoeblueshoe · 09/11/2025 12:14

He sounds like my XH. Miserable - he has alienated every single family member, including our 2 DC. He blames everyone for everything that has ever happened to him.
These men never acknowledge that they have done anything wrong. Things will not improve, he will just get worse. Why don't you make plans to go and visit your GC ?

I'm saving. I work in a school so have to go in school holidays which bumps the price right up. Ho0efully next summer

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traintonowheretoday · 09/11/2025 17:59

So you’ve only heard his side of the story and that was backed up by his family 🤔

im sure my ex husband will be telling a similar yarn in 20 years time

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