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Reaching crisis point, please help

19 replies

AstroKit · 02/11/2025 07:26

I have posted about this issue before, however, the situation is now reaching a crisis point.

My son (13) since I separated from DH, now lives with his Dad in the family home. As time has gone on, my time with my son has become less and less and now I see him for a couple of hours per week. We did agree to 50/50 custody.

What is concerning me is that he’s now losing contact with his grandparents (my parents) and only seeing his Dads parents for extended periods every day. My ex has handed over all of our sons care to his Mother when my ex is in work (12 hour shifts) So after school until 8.30pm, in the school holidays for 12 hours per day and also on my ex’s days off he spends them with his Mother. My son’s life is becoming insular, just his Dad and Grandmother everyday, despite me living nearby and being available. Ex works nights and has sometimes cancelled them as “There’s no-one to look after DS” (His mother was on holiday, I was close by and available.)

The only guaranteed day that DS sees my parents is a Saturday for a couple of hours and the last two Saturdays my ex has text saying that DS is too tired and won’t be seeing them. My parents are very upset and have bought him food which gets wasted. My parents have been a constant in DS life and MIL has been inconsistent, sometimes going for 6 months or more with no contact, now she is a heavy influence in his life. She is bipolar, toxic and unstable (regularly under the crisis team) I am concerned.

He also has a brother who is with me 5 nights per week, he is now losing contact with his sibling and I no longer see both my children together, interacting etc. His sibling is disabled and much younger than his years but calls out for his brother and looks for him 😢

The situation is messy with no schedule or definite days when me, sibling or my parents see DS. All time is monopolised by ex and his Mother. I don’t believe this is in his best interests as a relationship with his mother, sibling and grandparents should be encouraged.

In half term I saw DS once on the Monday and every other day he spend with MIL in her house or with his Dad just the two of them.

I am powerless as to what is happening and it’s almost 3 weeks since my parents saw DS. It feels like the longer this goes on the more that it will become normal for DS to only see his Dad and his grandmother. It feels like the grandmother has now replaced me. This routine is now cementing, I fear. It will just become DS’ new normal 😢 Please help. She is not a good person, ex says I’m lucky as she is capable of making my life hell. He tells me she detests me.

OP posts:
Overdonecabbage · 02/11/2025 07:28

You again

Leave your poor boy alone FGS

It is abusive. Thank goodness his father is so on it.

Overdonecabbage · 02/11/2025 07:29

Your son is absolutely and unequivocally adamant he does NOT WANT TO STAY THE NIGHT AT YOURS

PersephoneParlormaid · 02/11/2025 07:31

Your son is 13, he gets to make his own choices.

Overdonecabbage · 02/11/2025 07:33

PersephoneParlormaid · 02/11/2025 07:31

Your son is 13, he gets to make his own choices.

There’s one heck of a backstory with this boy being clear he doesn’t want to stay the night with the op. Multiple times. And op continues to harass

AstroKit · 02/11/2025 07:36

Overdonecabbage · 02/11/2025 07:29

Your son is absolutely and unequivocally adamant he does NOT WANT TO STAY THE NIGHT AT YOURS

I’m not talking about him staying overnight. This is about the wider issue of his life now becoming insular with only his Dad and grandmother involved in his upbringing.

OP posts:
Overdonecabbage · 02/11/2025 07:38

Over and out

this poor boy

AstroKit · 02/11/2025 07:40

Overdonecabbage · 02/11/2025 07:33

There’s one heck of a backstory with this boy being clear he doesn’t want to stay the night with the op. Multiple times. And op continues to harass

Again, this is not about him staying the night at mine. This is the wider issue of my parents now having limited contact, his sibling only seeing his brother for 2 nights per week or less and all time being monopolised by ex and MIL. It is in his best interests to be encouraged to maintain a relationship with his Mother, sibling and his grandparents. Not just ex and his Mother. There needs to be a balance for DS’ sake.

OP posts:
Octavia64 · 02/11/2025 07:40

Your parents do not have the right to see him.

they need to back off.

at 13 he is able to make his own choices about where he spends time.

AstroKit · 02/11/2025 07:51

Octavia64 · 02/11/2025 07:40

Your parents do not have the right to see him.

they need to back off.

at 13 he is able to make his own choices about where he spends time.

Is it really in DS’ best interests to only see his Dad and grandmother (two extremely clever, powerful, manipulative people) and be cut off from the rest of his family? I know that I am repeatedly spoken about in a negative light by MIL and ex to DS, this also includes my parents. Intimidate details about our marriage have been discussed with DS and I can honestly say that I have never said a bad word about DH to DS and neither have my parents.

OP posts:
Octavia64 · 02/11/2025 07:53

At 13 courts no longer make decisions based on “best interests”.

and yes, the general legal presumption is that grandparents do not have rights of access unless they have been acting as parents in a significant way.

so your arguments are not valid.

UpDownAllAround1 · 02/11/2025 07:55

Teen boys want time with friends and game consoles not with dysfunctional family members. Leave him alone

AstroKit · 02/11/2025 07:57

UpDownAllAround1 · 02/11/2025 07:55

Teen boys want time with friends and game consoles not with dysfunctional family members. Leave him alone

But he’s not having time with his friends. He is with MIL every day (a dysfunctional family member)

OP posts:
UpDownAllAround1 · 02/11/2025 07:58

AstroKit · 02/11/2025 07:57

But he’s not having time with his friends. He is with MIL every day (a dysfunctional family member)

So he doesn’t go to school?

Keroppi · 02/11/2025 08:01

I'm not sure on the background but surely you have a way to contact DS and arrange visits yourself? Text or email? I'd bypass the dad and drive to house and knock on at your agreed contact days. Go back to court for a defined contact schedule?

WhatAKnob47 · 02/11/2025 08:05

Your son is 13. You can't force him to spend time with you. If you want to you can apply for a child arrangement order but it will take 6-12 month. Your sons opinion will be considered but he won't get the final say. The problem is if you force yourself on him he's going to resent you for it. IMO, you need to keep contacting him. Keep the door open. Keep contact low pressure. Do things like send him memes, send him little cards in the post, do whatever you can to keep a line of communication.

AstroKit · 02/11/2025 08:18

Keroppi · 02/11/2025 08:01

I'm not sure on the background but surely you have a way to contact DS and arrange visits yourself? Text or email? I'd bypass the dad and drive to house and knock on at your agreed contact days. Go back to court for a defined contact schedule?

We don’t have any agreed contact days, it’s all a big mess, the contact is random. We’ve never been to court or done mediation. I do text DS but he doesn’t always reply. I do agree that at 13 he does get a say in how he spends his time, however having 100% say in all co-parenting decisions is too much responsibility at his age. I do feel like the longer this is left, the more it will become normal for DS to only see his Dad and Dads family. I know I am not being unreasonable in thinking it is not in a child’s best interests to have very little contact with his Mother, sibling and family members. He deserves that and children do not always have the capacity to act in their best interests.

All I’m hoping for is for some kind of schedule put in place, time with his Mother, time with his sibling and time with his grandparents to allow him to maintain those relationships and to have a balance in his life.

Not just ex and his family. It does feel like things could worsen over time.

Hoping to try child inclusive meditation, just as an opportunity to chat to an impartial person.

OP posts:
AstroKit · 02/11/2025 08:21

Keroppi · 02/11/2025 08:01

I'm not sure on the background but surely you have a way to contact DS and arrange visits yourself? Text or email? I'd bypass the dad and drive to house and knock on at your agreed contact days. Go back to court for a defined contact schedule?

He rarely replies to my texts - it’s not just me, he doesn’t text his friends back or family members etc. He has ADHD.

OP posts:
WhatAKnob47 · 02/11/2025 08:23

Apply for the child arrangement order.

Endofyear · 02/11/2025 09:26

I think at this point, your only option is to try mediation. Your son's wishes will carry a lot of weight and you can't force contact.

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