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Daughter with much older man

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BlackHillsofDakota · 22/10/2025 16:16

My DD is 21, she is seeing a man who is 57. She has confided in her sister that they go to sex clubs. She has changed her appearance a lot since seeing him, dyed her hair, wearing nails and make up when before this she was a bit of a tom boy, she has a manual male orientated job. I have no issue with the change is appearance per say but it does feel like he is possibly grooming her/ pushing her to change her appearance. She seems happy enough and is an adult. We haven't met him and she said its unlikely we will. She stays at his house a lot. Her room seems to be full of boxes of condoms and she put a box in the recycling bin for a butt plug (I wasn't snooping, just putting something else in the bin) I know I cannot say or do anything about this but it makes me very uncomfortable. Do I just need to keep quiet and hope its all ok?

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rainbowsandraspberrygin · 22/10/2025 21:06

I guess she’s an adult so can make those choices. But if I were a 21year old I’m not sure I’d be leaving those around for mum to see!!!

I think I’d feel a bit awkward too OP. I don’t have any experience of this - maybe someone else does. But it’s a bit age difference and with those changes it’s worth keeping an eye on her and any other behavioural changes that could indicate abuse. But if she’s happy then not sure.

do you have others in the house? I wonder if you can ask her to place sensitive material out of sight??

ETA - by others I meant younger kids. Ideally people who don’t need to see butt plug wrappers!

Subwaystop · 23/10/2025 04:54

I’m so sorry about this op, no advice, only want to say you’re right to be concerned.

TheThingOnTheIce · 23/10/2025 05:38

I would also be VERY uneasy with this, that is a huge age gap

AutumnalSweater · 23/10/2025 05:53

Butt plugs are a gay male thing. Women almost never like them. He’s probably pressuring her into doing things. Sex clubs are horrendous. He’s likely using them as a way to desensitize her to sexual degradation. You should try to have a talk with her about loving herself and honoring her own boundaries.

CapitalisedBadIdea · 23/10/2025 09:01

I was in a situation very similar to this (minus the sex clubs and sex toys!), and it was genuinely the worst relationship of my life. I was 19, he was 51. I had very low self esteem and he was incredibly manipulative, and eventually deeply emotionally abusive.

I don’t know how you should approach your daughter without knowing more about your relationship with her and her circumstances. I think once you’ve convinced yourself you’re happy with someone despite that awful age gap you’re into a sunk costs fallacy i.e. it feels like it costs more to admit you’re wrong than to carry on.

Without knowing more I’ll give some background on what I was like at the time and why I think I ended up in that situation and you can see if any of it resonates:

  • I had low self esteem. My friends weren’t very supportive, and my experiences of young men were that they were sexist, cruel and disrespectful
  • I was a Tom boy - short hair, more androgynous clothes. I wore skirts sometimes but I wasn’t ‘girly’. It wasn’t a popular look and I was always assumed to be gay, or passed over for the girl with long hair
  • My closest friends were also In abusive relationships (although with men their own age), so it seemed normal
  • My childhood family life had modelled some poor behaviour towards women to me
  • I was lonely, and having tried men my own age and been treated badly, thought - maybe this is as good as it gets?

I think you need to find out why your daughter feels attracted to this man rather than someone her own age. There’s a huge power imbalance, though she won’t want to acknowledge it. Has she felt rejected by men her own age? Does she feel she won’t find someone she likes her own age who respects her? Does she have low self esteem?

It’s very easy for an older man to manipulate a young woman in those circumstances. He’ll be able to treat her as if she’s the best thing that’s happened to him, make her feel special and grown up, and convince her that she’s too mature for the boys her own age. It’s a very dangerous position to be in but your daughter may well be hyper sensitive to criticism based on his age, because in her heart she already knows it’s wrong, but feels like this is her last resort.

I would also have a very serious talk with her about red flags and emotional abuse. Make sure that the moment he mistreats her, she walks. Don’t let her be emotionally manipulated by some sob story of how sorry he was for saying/doing those things. The first time it happens, she’s got to get out. Otherwise she’s like a frog being slowly boiled - it gets normalised. Someone with so much more experience will do it very subtlety and slowly until it becomes your normal life.

I’m sorry this is happening. It must be so stressful. My family tried hard to understand and accept this person, and I hid a lot of the abuse because I didn’t have the tools to understand or express it. I wish more people had pushed back at the time based purely on his age - I felt such shame about it but felt that was as good as it would get (he fed this fear). Years on and it obviously wasn’t - happy now with someone my own age who’s never said a cruel word to me.

pinkfondu · 23/10/2025 09:04

AutumnalSweater · 23/10/2025 05:53

Butt plugs are a gay male thing. Women almost never like them. He’s probably pressuring her into doing things. Sex clubs are horrendous. He’s likely using them as a way to desensitize her to sexual degradation. You should try to have a talk with her about loving herself and honoring her own boundaries.

What a completely ridiculous comment- butt plugs are used by lots of women willingly, with or without a partner

pinkfondu · 23/10/2025 09:09

IME this is highly likely to be a Dom/Sub relationship. The most important thing you and her sister can do is ensure she is genuinely happy with what she is doing rather than only to please him.

Pleasegetmeacoffeesotired · 23/10/2025 09:10

AutumnalSweater · 23/10/2025 05:53

Butt plugs are a gay male thing. Women almost never like them. He’s probably pressuring her into doing things. Sex clubs are horrendous. He’s likely using them as a way to desensitize her to sexual degradation. You should try to have a talk with her about loving herself and honoring her own boundaries.

What? No, they're not a "gay male thing".

Greenwitchart · 23/10/2025 09:11

He sounds like a complete sleaze who is manipulating your daughter.

I would strongly share your concerns with her.

I know she is 21 but to be blunt do you have a male relative or friend who could have a (strong) word with that perv and tell him to take a hike and leave your daughter alone?

AbsentosaurusRex · 23/10/2025 09:14

CapitalisedBadIdea · 23/10/2025 09:01

I was in a situation very similar to this (minus the sex clubs and sex toys!), and it was genuinely the worst relationship of my life. I was 19, he was 51. I had very low self esteem and he was incredibly manipulative, and eventually deeply emotionally abusive.

I don’t know how you should approach your daughter without knowing more about your relationship with her and her circumstances. I think once you’ve convinced yourself you’re happy with someone despite that awful age gap you’re into a sunk costs fallacy i.e. it feels like it costs more to admit you’re wrong than to carry on.

Without knowing more I’ll give some background on what I was like at the time and why I think I ended up in that situation and you can see if any of it resonates:

  • I had low self esteem. My friends weren’t very supportive, and my experiences of young men were that they were sexist, cruel and disrespectful
  • I was a Tom boy - short hair, more androgynous clothes. I wore skirts sometimes but I wasn’t ‘girly’. It wasn’t a popular look and I was always assumed to be gay, or passed over for the girl with long hair
  • My closest friends were also In abusive relationships (although with men their own age), so it seemed normal
  • My childhood family life had modelled some poor behaviour towards women to me
  • I was lonely, and having tried men my own age and been treated badly, thought - maybe this is as good as it gets?

I think you need to find out why your daughter feels attracted to this man rather than someone her own age. There’s a huge power imbalance, though she won’t want to acknowledge it. Has she felt rejected by men her own age? Does she feel she won’t find someone she likes her own age who respects her? Does she have low self esteem?

It’s very easy for an older man to manipulate a young woman in those circumstances. He’ll be able to treat her as if she’s the best thing that’s happened to him, make her feel special and grown up, and convince her that she’s too mature for the boys her own age. It’s a very dangerous position to be in but your daughter may well be hyper sensitive to criticism based on his age, because in her heart she already knows it’s wrong, but feels like this is her last resort.

I would also have a very serious talk with her about red flags and emotional abuse. Make sure that the moment he mistreats her, she walks. Don’t let her be emotionally manipulated by some sob story of how sorry he was for saying/doing those things. The first time it happens, she’s got to get out. Otherwise she’s like a frog being slowly boiled - it gets normalised. Someone with so much more experience will do it very subtlety and slowly until it becomes your normal life.

I’m sorry this is happening. It must be so stressful. My family tried hard to understand and accept this person, and I hid a lot of the abuse because I didn’t have the tools to understand or express it. I wish more people had pushed back at the time based purely on his age - I felt such shame about it but felt that was as good as it would get (he fed this fear). Years on and it obviously wasn’t - happy now with someone my own age who’s never said a cruel word to me.

This OP x

Wherearemymarbles · 23/10/2025 09:18

Sounds pretty grim and I dont think any 57 year old man will have a 21year old womans best interests at heart.
how did they meet? There could be a slim chance she was on a hook up site specifically looking for an older man this kind of life style.
Sadly not sure there is too much you can do other than be alert

BigFatLiar · 23/10/2025 09:29

She's an adult making her own decisions. It probably won't last. She may be experimenting with her sexuality but she needs to be more considerate of others. You know your own daughter, is she easily led or quite independent? If she's confident it's more likely just sexual experimenting than grooming. Unlike most on mumsnet I'm of the opinion that women are quite able to make bad decisions without being coerced.

Have a word with her about being more discreet. It could be worse, she could have taken up with a druggie or gambler.

TY78910 · 23/10/2025 09:31

How did they meet OP?

I’m completely with you that it would make me uneasy, but that’s just because of my own opinions on how this is an unconventional relationship that I wouldn’t be in to myself.

That being said. It is entirely possible that that’s just her sexual preference and she is exploring that. If she met him online, it’s possible that this is the criteria she was looking for all along, as opposed to her randomly meeting someone through work, or in a bar where she was then groomed in to that lifestyle.

ClarissR · 23/10/2025 10:04

Gross. I’d be spending as much time with her as possible, girls’ days out, exercise together, weekends away, seeing family friends. Encouraging her to see her friends and cousins. Anything to model normal behaviour and relationships and hopefully she’ll get bored of him.

BauhausOfEliott · 23/10/2025 10:27

Fully understand why you’re concerned about her boyfriend’s age.

However, she is an adult woman, and the sex clubs and butt plugs are no more your business than they would be if she was 50.

If she was going to sex clubs with a man her own age and had started dressing differently, would you automatically assume she was being groomed or coerced? Or would you accept that she is an adult woman who enjoys an adventurous sex life and is more than capable of making her own sexual decisions? What, exactly, is the problem with her using a sex toy?

It seems very odd to me that anyone would assume an adult woman would only use a butt plug or go to sex clubs because a man told her to. Women aren’t any less sexual than men.

I also strongly doubt that she drifted accidentally into a relationship with a man in his 50s. Unless he’s someone she already knew from childhood who is in a position of authority over her, I don’t think you can call this grooming. Presumably they met online or he approached her somewhere or she approached him, and she made a conscious decision to hook up with him. It’s not like his age wouldn’t have been apparent.

It’s perfectly possible that she met him because she was interested in a certain type of lifestyle. It’s far from unheard of.

Meandmyguy · 23/10/2025 10:29

Well if she were my daughter I'd be talking to her about this.

BauhausOfEliott · 23/10/2025 10:36

AutumnalSweater · 23/10/2025 05:53

Butt plugs are a gay male thing. Women almost never like them. He’s probably pressuring her into doing things. Sex clubs are horrendous. He’s likely using them as a way to desensitize her to sexual degradation. You should try to have a talk with her about loving herself and honoring her own boundaries.

LOL.

Butt plugs are absolutely not just a ‘gay male thing’ and plenty of women like them, or have tried them to see if they like them, without the direction of a man.

It is very odd that Mumsnet seems to assume that women can’t possibly enjoy anything other than a specific kind of conventional sex, and have no sexual agency of their own.

It does women a disservice to imply that we are somehow more easily led and manipulated than men are, or that we are delicate chaste creatures with no capacity for kinkiness.

Women aren’t weak-willed idiots FFS.

Disturbia81 · 23/10/2025 10:42

This is so gross.

YourWinter · 23/10/2025 10:51

When babysitting for DD on her boyfriend’s birthday there was packaging in her bin for the same “toy”. I did wonder which of them wields it… ugh, not my idea of fun, but each to their own. I think her exH would’ve run a mile!

TenGreatFatSquirrels · 23/10/2025 11:08

AutumnalSweater · 23/10/2025 05:53

Butt plugs are a gay male thing. Women almost never like them. He’s probably pressuring her into doing things. Sex clubs are horrendous. He’s likely using them as a way to desensitize her to sexual degradation. You should try to have a talk with her about loving herself and honoring her own boundaries.

That’s not true at all… many women are into them. Ridiculous comment considering the DD is clearly not a gay man.

TottenhamCake · 23/10/2025 11:23

AutumnalSweater · 23/10/2025 05:53

Butt plugs are a gay male thing. Women almost never like them. He’s probably pressuring her into doing things. Sex clubs are horrendous. He’s likely using them as a way to desensitize her to sexual degradation. You should try to have a talk with her about loving herself and honoring her own boundaries.

not true, i have one which i enjoy using

DaisyChain505 · 23/10/2025 11:37

Have a conversation with her. Come from a place of love not judgement. Remind her no matter the outcome of the conversation that you love her and you will always be there for her and she can call you day and night.

TenGreatFatSquirrels · 23/10/2025 11:40

I would tell her that you don’t appreciate seeing your daughters sex toy packages though. She should have more sense than that.

BlackHillsofDakota · 23/10/2025 16:46

Thanks all for your input. Very interesting to hear both sides of the argument and very much the two opinions I keep veering between. I don't necessary think she is being groomed directly but that she feels pressured to keep up with his preferences. They met online, she definitely has a preference for older men so maybe I'm doing her a disservice and these are absolutely all her own choices and I'm just an old prude! I will try and keep the lines of communication open while also talking about making her own choices and only doing things she feels comfortable with.

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